Dr James Ach

I didn't deem it necessary to even bother responding to this because I have refused to allow members like this to interrupt the cohesiveness of believers on this forum. The atmosphere on this forum is pleasant, productive and fruitful. There are many different views on here and sometimes debates get heated, but everyone here has made a habit of holding each other accountable, and at OB, we have a fellowship here that works.
 
The atmosphere of BB is vitriolic, spiteful, vengeful, some racism,and is antagonist toward those who do not agree with Calvinism. It is an experience that all of the Non Calvinist have complained about and they have recently begun to "fight back" to the point where it is being referred to as a forum revolution blamed on me.
 
Evidence was shown here, and on the other forum of Auburn88's tactics, and he was shown to be the instigator. I can show links on the BB where Auburn has degraded me on threads that I didn't even participate on. And it is clear that his intention is to cause strife and discord in an attempt to interrupt the cohesiveness of like-minded believers who are in agreement against doctrines that he doesn't approve of.
 
On the BB, the mods did not and have not reprimanded me, they did not close MY thread but someone elses, and the "stern warning" from the admin there was directed at EVERY ONE, not just one person in particular. But, why that is somehow relevant to this forum to me shows the true spirit behind Auburn's intentions. If he truly wanted a moderator to prove he had only one account, he could have PM'd Matt to ask for such instead of making a public spectacle out of an issue that he is angry about on another forum. 
 
I personally would have never raised the issue had Auburn not mentioned my posts and actions on this forum where he attempted to convince others on the BB that I "act like an Arminian" on the OB. This entire fiasco is a caricature created by Auburn, and then when he thought he provoked the response he was looking for, he attempted to play the victim. It didn't work when he tried it here, so then he began to throw my name all over the BB, as I said, in posts that I was not even a part of and of which had nothing to do with me. (I will provide proof of this to anyone that asks in a PM, including Mods if they want to see it).
 
I and several others have our suspicions that Auburn has more than one account. When he first commented me on the thread about "New Argument Against Calvinism" Post 29, he used a pejorative jab referring to me as a Catholic. Mind you, I had never previously had ANY interaction with him, nor on BB, nor any other forum. This was his very FIRST comment to me. At the time, his account had 10 posts on it. Ten posts in the 3 years he has had the account. It now has 139 posts since he has used it often to ridicule Non Calvinists on here and criticize the believers on OB for being "unkind" "judgmental" "unchristian" because we disagree with Calvinism.
 
Having multiple accounts like that serves a good purpose from someone who wants to continue debating with their regular account without risking it being banned, by usurping the flow of threads with a "throw away" account.
 
Is being accused of having more than one account under such circumstances the worst possible accusation that could be levied against Auburn? He seems to think so. But one thing is clear, and I can prove it, and others have already seen the evidence for themselves and weighed in on the matter, that Auburn88, regardless of who he is, started the conflict me, and is not satisfied that I have chosen to ignore him on THIS forum and thus has endeavored to find underhanded ways to try getting under my skin to provoke me here. I refuse to allow him to provoke me here in an attempt to turn the OB into a free-for-all that he is used to on other forums. 

I didn't deem it necessary to even bother responding to this because I have refused to allow members like this to interrupt the cohesiveness of believers on this forum. The atmosphere on this forum is pleasant, productive and fruitful. There are many different views on here and sometimes debates get heated, but everyone here has made a habit of holding each other accountable, and at OB, we have a fellowship here that works.
 
The atmosphere of BB is vitriolic, spiteful, vengeful, some racism,and is antagonist toward those who do not agree with Calvinism. It is an experience that all of the Non Calvinist have complained about and they have recently begun to "fight back" to the point where it is being referred to as a forum revolution blamed on me.
 
Evidence was shown here, and on the other forum of Auburn88's tactics, and he was shown to be the instigator. I can show links on the BB where Auburn has degraded me on threads that I didn't even participate on. And it is clear that his intention is to cause strife and discord in an attempt to interrupt the cohesiveness of like-minded believers who are in agreement against doctrines that he doesn't approve of.
 
On the BB, the mods did not and have not reprimanded me, they did not close MY thread but someone elses, and the "stern warning" from the admin there was directed at EVERY ONE, not just one person in particular. But, why that is somehow relevant to this forum to me shows the true spirit behind Auburn's intentions. If he truly wanted a moderator to prove he had only one account, he could have PM'd Matt to ask for such instead of making a public spectacle out of an issue that he is angry about on another forum. 
 
I personally would have never raised the issue had Auburn not mentioned my posts and actions on this forum where he attempted to convince others on the BB that I "act like an Arminian" on the OB. This entire fiasco is a caricature created by Auburn, and then when he thought he provoked the response he was looking for, he attempted to play the victim. It didn't work when he tried it here, so then he began to throw my name all over the BB, as I said, in posts that I was not even a part of and of which had nothing to do with me. (I will provide proof of this to anyone that asks in a PM, including Mods if they want to see it).
 
I and several others have our suspicions that Auburn has more than one account. When he first commented me on the thread about "New Argument Against Calvinism" Post 29, he used a pejorative jab referring to me as a Catholic. Mind you, I had never previously had ANY interaction with him, nor on BB, nor any other forum. This was his very FIRST comment to me. At the time, his account had 10 posts on it. Ten posts in the 3 years he has had the account. It now has 139 posts since he has used it often to ridicule Non Calvinists on here and criticize the believers on OB for being "unkind" "judgmental" "unchristian" because we disagree with Calvinism.
 
Having multiple accounts like that serves a good purpose from someone who wants to continue debating with their regular account without risking it being banned, by usurping the flow of threads with a "throw away" account.
 
Is being accused of having more than one account under such circumstances the worst possible accusation that could be levied against Auburn? He seems to think so. But one thing is clear, and I can prove it, and others have already seen the evidence for themselves and weighed in on the matter, that Auburn88, regardless of who he is, started the conflict me, and is not satisfied that I have chosen to ignore him on THIS forum and thus has endeavored to find underhanded ways to try getting under my skin to provoke me here. I refuse to allow him to provoke me here in an attempt to turn the OB into a free-for-all that he is used to on other forums. 

I have my disagreements about several of things Ruckman teaches, but giving the man the benefit of the doubt, this is an issue I have corresponded with him about as well as spoke with him personally about twice. Much of the misunderstanding about Ruckman's position on this is based on his crude sense of humor and pejorative attacks on his critics. When Ruckman says that "the KJV corrects the Greek" this is his satirical way of correcting the scholars who think that only a Greek and Hebrew scholar can properly interpret the Bible. 
 
When he refers to "advanced revelations" he is making fun of the scholars for not noticing something in English that you won't find by digging through the "original Greek".
 
Do I think it's misleading to others who are not familiar with him? I would have to say I disagree with his tactics, but that's just the way he is, and as unfortunate as his attitude is, he's dead on about the KJV. For goodness sake the PBI teaches Greek and Hebrew as well as manuscript evidence and history so he's not against everything Greek or Hebrew.
 
I admit that reading Ruckman takes a lot (A LOT) of getting used to. There are things he teaches like peccability of Christ which some of YOU actually agree with that are opposed to Ruckman, and I think are way off the mark and a few other strange teachings. But for the most part, he's one of the smartest expositors I've ever read even though I wish he would tone it down. But, as much as I loathe his approach, I think God used him IN SPITE OF his harsh approach. Could the KJV issue have been more successful without him? Who knows, maybe; but his attitude was so obnoxious that it forced people to look at the issue. That doesn't mean his method should be condoned and regrettably many people have followed his mannerisms, but it woke a lot of colleges and preachers up and some in the process of trying to prove him wrong simply because he offended them became KJVO-I was one of them

I have my disagreements about several of things Ruckman teaches, but giving the man the benefit of the doubt, this is an issue I have corresponded with him about as well as spoke with him personally about twice. Much of the misunderstanding about Ruckman's position on this is based on his crude sense of humor and pejorative attacks on his critics. When Ruckman says that "the KJV corrects the Greek" this is his satirical way of correcting the scholars who think that only a Greek and Hebrew scholar can properly interpret the Bible. 
 
When he refers to "advanced revelations" he is making fun of the scholars for not noticing something in English that you won't find by digging through the "original Greek".
 
Do I think it's misleading to others who are not familiar with him? I would have to say I disagree with his tactics, but that's just the way he is, and as unfortunate as his attitude is, he's dead on about the KJV. For goodness sake the PBI teaches Greek and Hebrew as well as manuscript evidence and history so he's not against everything Greek or Hebrew.
 
I admit that reading Ruckman takes a lot (A LOT) of getting used to. There are things he teaches like peccability of Christ which some of YOU actually agree with that are opposed to Ruckman, and I think are way off the mark and a few other strange teachings. But for the most part, he's one of the smartest expositors I've ever read even though I wish he would tone it down. But, as much as I loathe his approach, I think God used him IN SPITE OF his harsh approach. Could the KJV issue have been more successful without him? Who knows, maybe; but his attitude was so obnoxious that it forced people to look at the issue. That doesn't mean his method should be condoned and regrettably many people have followed his mannerisms, but it woke a lot of colleges and preachers up and some in the process of trying to prove him wrong simply because he offended them became KJVO-I was one of them

Job Opening! (hint hint for anyone that lives in that area)

As much as I would like to see it happen that way, I don't believe that's what the scriptures actually say.
 
*Jeremiah is a reference to the Chaldeans. If you notice, the "people of the north" described in v. 21 are actually against Israel (v. 23)
 
*Isaiah 5 where the "hissing" is mentioned is derived from an old custom of gathering bees back to their place. This is where God gathers the nations against Israel. The Bible makes it clear that all nations will hate and attack Israel in the end, including America, and considering how much of Rome that America has incorporated into its politics, legal system, religion, money, it is apparent that America is the daughter of Babylon, and unlikely to be of help to Israel when it matters and even now, relations between Israel and the US are dwindling. Every US president since FDR has advocated for a one world order, and Israel and the church are an obstacle to that purpose. Why does America now support Israel? It is based 2 things, on one side, there are Bible believers that shout that God will bless them that bless Israel. When the church is gone, America will have no moral voice of reason for defending Israel. The other reason is for the corrupt bankers and assets that Israel holds which America sees as profitable in part for their continued economic prosperity. But only the first reason would be why America would feel any moral obligation to defend Israel and once that voice is gone, so is the moral support for Israel.
 
*If you read Rev 12 carefully, it is a recapitulation of the Exodus, with the exodus being a type of their future deliverance. How did Israel escape? They escaped on foot and in their own chariots (granted, in the last days, the method of transportation will have a little more technology), and in Ex 19:4 God says that He delivered Israel by an eagles wings.,Read Hosea 2:11-14 with Deut 32:11 as well. Thus going by the law of first mention, the eagles wings of Rev 12 can not be America. Furthermore, when they flee, the manner in which they flee is "like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah.." Zech 14:5. 
 
Something to notice interesting in Matthew is that Jesus says pray that your FLIGHT not be on the Sabbath. Israel has their own major flight companies, but their flights are grounded on the Sabbath
 
The place where God feeds them and hides them is listed in Micah 7:14-15, Jer 50:19,20, Ezekial 20:30-37, and I Sam 25:2
 
"Feed thy people with thy rod, the flock of thine heritage, which dwell solitarily in the wood, in the midst of Carmel: let them feed in Bashan and Gilead, as in the days of old. According to the days of thy coming out of the land of Egypt will I shew unto him marvellous things" Micah 7:14-15
 
"And I will bring Israel again to his habitation, and he shall feed on Carmel and Bashan, and his soul shall be satisfied upon mount Ephraim and Gilead. In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the iniquity of Israel shall be sought for, and there shall be none; and the sins of Judah, and they shall not be found: for I will pardon them whom I reserve." Jer 50:19-20
 
And he feeds them from the hail. Notice in the OT when he fed them in the wilderness the manna melted after appearing in a hoary frost (Exodus 16), and now read Job 38:22--23: 
"Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail,Which I have reserved against the time of trouble, against the day of battle and war?"
 
As much as I would like it to be America, I think America will be the opposite of what many think her intentions are. America is the most powerful influential nation to bring about the one world order for now. The 3 largest holders of US debt are China, Japan, and England. We know that China is one of the kings of the east that attacks Israel via the river Euphrates (Rev 9 and 16) and China opposes every UN resolution there is regarding Israel. England although assisting Israel through the Balfour declaration, reneged on most of it under Churchill who limited their borders to the current tiny area they have today, and many times during WW 1, Churchill turned Jews away from England and sent them back to their persecutors. So with China and England's history with Israel, their current holdings of our debt, and Israel being an obstacle to "world peace" it is more likely that America will side with Israel's enemies during the tribulation

Amen! 
The devil being cast to the earth is the third woe judgment on the earth and it will last for a times, times and half a time or 3.5 years. Revelation 11:14 is the mid point of the tribulation.
 
Revelation 12:13–14 KJV
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he
persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Before the Devil is cast to the earth in the middle of the tribulation, God will have had part of Israel rescued by the great eagle that will come from the other end of the earth to take a prey safely, according to Isaiah 5:24–30 and Revelation 12:14. I believe God will have America, the last days’ superpower and daughter of Babylon, rescue the women and children from Israel. The Jewish men will stay in Israel to fight the end-time war till they flee to the river Arnon (Isaiah 16:3) When the lord comes down and splits the mount of olives to make a way of escape Zechariah 14:1-5a.

Concerning the third “woe” of Revelation,
 
Revelation 8:1 presents the opening of the seventh seal judgment, then verse 2 reveals that seven angels stood before God, “and to them were given seven trumpets.”  Revelation 8:7-12 then presents the sounding of the first four of those trumpets.  Immediately following the sounding of the fourth trumpet judgment, Revelation 8:13 pronounces three great “woes” upon “the inhabiters of the earth” and indicates that these three great “woes” are directly equivalent to the last three of the seven trumpet judgments.  There we read, “And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!”  The closing phrase of the verse, “By reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound,” communicates the equivalency of the three great “woes” to the three trumpets that were “yet to sound.”
 
Revelation 9:1-12 presents the sounding and judgment of the “first woe – fifth trumpet” judgment, ending in verse 12 with the statement, “One woe is past; and, behold, there come two woes more hereafter.”  Revelation 9:13 – 11:14 presents the sounding and judgment of the “second woe – sixth trumpet” judgment, ending in Revelation 11:14 with the statement, “The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.”  Immediately following this, Revelation 11:15 announces the “third woe – seventh trumpet” judgment, saying, “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”  Then verses 16-18 present a statement of praise unto the Lord God by the twenty-four elders that sit before the throne of God.  Finally, verse 19 presents a scene in heaven concerning the opening of the temple in heaven.
 
What is interesting with this announcement is that it does not appear to reveal a great “woe” upon “the inhabiters of the earth,” but rather presents a glorious praise of the Lord our God.  However, this declaration of glorious praise is important for our understanding concerning the “third woe – seventh judgment” judgment.  Revelation 12 presents a form of “parable” concerning the relationship between the children of Israel, the Messiah’s incarnation, and the devil.  Involved in this, Revelation 12:9 states, “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” 
 
Revelation 12:10-11 then continues, “And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.  And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.”  In verse 10 we find a similar glorious praise of the Lord our God as was found in Revelation 11:15 at the sounding of the “third woe – seventh trumpet.”  This similarity between Revelation 11:15 & 12:10 seems to create a link between the two passages and their context. 
 
Then Revelation 11:16 proceeds with a pronouncement of great “woe” upon “the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea,” which is similar to and appears to create a connection with the original pronouncement of the three “woes” in Revelation 8:13.  Thus we read in Revelation 11:16, “Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.  Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”  This then appears to reveal the nature of the “third woe – seventh trumpet” judgment.  It is the permanent casting out of the devil from any entrance into heaven, even as “the accuser of our brethren,” which brings forth great joy in heaven.  It is also the casting forth of the devil unto the earth, “having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time,” which brings forth a great “woe” upon “the inhabiters of the earth.” 

Rev Dr James A,
 
I agree that there are more than one catching ups. See my post for the 5 phases of the first resurrection. It lists the scriptures and the people caught up.
 
I agree that all the vial judgments will happen during the 3.5 years of the third woe and the 7th trumpet.
 
I would love to talk to you. You seem to be above average in understanding.
 
But     the third woe is a specific judgment that lasts for 3.5 years!
 
What is the third woe?

The Third Woe
 
Revelation 8:12–13 KJV
12 And the fourth angel sounded, and the third part of the sun was smitten, and the third part of the moon, and the third part of the stars; so as the third part of them was darkened, and the day shone not for a third part of it, and the night likewise.
13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
 
The last three trumpet judgments are so bad they are called woes.
 
Revelation 11:14
The second woe is past and behold the third woe cometh quickly.
 
The sixth trumpet judgment and the second woe are finished within the same hour that the two witnesses finished their 1260 day mission.
 
What is the third woe?
 

To answer the OP, there are many good arguments in here in defense of eternal security which I think adequately answered the question. Just to add one more. 2 Timonty 2:13 "If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself." The context of course, is that whether one believes or not, his belief or unbelief has no bearing on the faithfulness of Christ. And since Christ is unchangable, then this verse would still apply to the believer that even after his salvation, if at some point he became discouraged and possibly even angry at God, his unbelief at that moment would not change the status of his salvation. Now if he continued in a perpetual state of denouncement and unbelief, I would have to question whether the person was saved in the first place because John makes it clear that "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us:...." I John 2:19. Since it is God that works in us both to WILL and to DO (Phil 2:13), the will and drive that you have is the evidence of a genuine salvation (Eph 2:10, John 15:5), and the John also makes it clear that a child of God does not continue to practice in perpetual disobedience to Him (I John 3:6). A believer is never comfortable with sin. Whom God loves He chastens (Rev 3:19) and if you are living in sin and are never chastised, you are not a child of God (Heb 12:8)
So when askng a question about a person denouncing their faith, it would be necessary to view their salvation in context with the above expositions of Scripture.
On a side note: one thing that I find fascinating among critics of the Baptist position of eternal security is that they say we give them a license to sin, and then turn around and call us legalists for preaching too hard about sin LOL