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  1. 3 hours ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

    I do not recommend Cambridge bibles, they have good covers, but I don't think their binding is near as good as Church bible publishers or local church bible publishers. 

    Why so? 

    1 hour ago, Jim_Alaska said:

    I'm not sure why you say this Jordan. My binding lasted for 39 years of hard use. And when it started to go, it was just the map pages and the two front pages. But I have to admit that I have no experience with any other bibles, this is the first and only one I have ever used.

    I don't have any way to post a picture of my bible Celina, I'm sorry.

    It’s okay, Jim. :) 

    I’ll probably buy a premium bible after 7 years. :) 

    The Schuyler Canterbury Goatskin looks nice too. 

  2. 10 hours ago, Jim_Alaska said:

    Yes It has thin pages, but they are very durable. I have notes in the margins and highlighted text also.

    May I request you to post a picture? 

    I want to know how much the highlights bleed. :))) Thank you. 

  3. 1 hour ago, Jim_Alaska said:

    Mine is a Cambridge from University Press. It has a genuine leather cover. I don't remember where I bought it, but it was probaly from a Christian book store. When I was in Alaska there were not many places to buy bibles.

    I’ve been researching about Cambridge bibles and they look very elegant. However, I’m a heavy note taker. I highlight and write along the margins. The cambridge bibles seem to have thin pages. 

    How about yours? :) 

  4. 1 hour ago, Jim_Alaska said:

    I must be different. In the beginning I bought the best quality bible I could find. I have never had to replace it and its not because it is not used, it is used on a daily basis. My bible was bought in 1976. Five years ago the pages started to come out of the binding, so I sent if off to be rebound. They did a wonderful job and it is like new again except for the discoloration of the pages. The cover is still in wonderful condition.

    So I have never had to go through the experience of having to transfer my notes or highlights. My bible has wide margins for notes and the print, while not large, is sort of bold, so it is easy to read.

    Hello Jim. 

    Can you tell us from where you bought it? Which publisher? Thanks! 

  5. On 7/9/2017 at 8:35 PM, Alan said:

    Celina, at this point, not knowing you personally, or why you are going through your depression, I feel it would be difficult to answer your questions completely. I will give a  few thoughts.

    The Psalms record many things. Among them, the Psalmist, sometimes David, sometimes others, and sometimes the Lord Jesus in prophecy, all go through times of discouragement, trials, verbal persecution from their enemies, and times of doubt; maybe even depression. This world is full of sorrows, heartache, disappointment, and  discouragement. If we are the cause of the problem (as David was in Psalm 51), we need to deal with the problem. If we going through the trials of life; then we need to trust in God and have, "the sacrifice of praise."

    For example: Psalm 43:1-5 is a case in point. We do not know the writer of Psalm 43

    The writer in Psalm 43 concludes in verse 5, "Why are thou cast down, O my soul? and why art thou disquieted within me? hope thou in God: for I shall yet praise him, who is the health of my countenance, and my God."

    With that thought of putting our hope in God, by faith, and praise Him, I will conclude. Hopefully, your trust in the Lord will bring back the health of your countenance.

    May the Lord bless you.

    Alan

     

     

    I'm sorry. I just saw all the replies and I must have forgotten to reply. Given the date of the post, I believe that was the time I was transferred to another ROW at work. :) 

    Thank you Alan for the time to reply to my post. 

     

    On 7/10/2017 at 5:22 AM, 1Timothy115 said:

    I'll be praying.

    Thank you. :) 

    On 7/11/2017 at 10:19 AM, DaveW said:

    Oh, this is a big topic with much controversy.

     

    To begin with, it is just a lie to say that the Christian life is one of constant happiness and good living - it is definitely not.

    Jesus Himself said:

    John 16:33
    (33)  These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
     

    In this world YE SHALL HAVE TRIBULATION - it is not all going to be roses just because you are saved.

    And as you read through the book of Acts in particular you see men suffering for Christ, not having good times.

    So it is plain that the Christian life is not all smooth seas and plain sailing.

    That is point 1.

     

    Secondly, this world is perpetuating the lie that if you are unhappy there must be something wrong with you.

    Think about this for a minute: if your dog dies, how would you expect to feel? You would expect some level of unhappiness over it.

    That is absolutely fine - but the world makes it out as though only people with depression are unhappy, and if you are "depressed" or unhappy about something then you need to be treated.

    Now the Lord does want us to be happy, and the Lord does want us to be joyful, but there are specific reasons to be joyful that are not necessarily related to our daily living.

    By this I mean the Bible tells us to :

    Philippians 4:4
    (4)  Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
     

    Note that it is rejoicing in the Lord - and it is just after this that Paul speaks about his contentment in all situations.

    Philippians 4:11
    (11)  Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.
     

    I doubt very much that Paul was "happy" when he was abased (in great need), but he was contented - there is a difference between being "happy" and having godly contentment.

     

    And in fact this is one of the keys - godly contentment comes from knowing that God is in control, and that although he may allow hard things into your life, you know that:

    Romans 8:28
    (28)  And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
     

    Understanding this - and it is not easy to come to terms with by the way - but understanding this fact allows you to rest in Him.

    So it is absolutely OK to be unhappy when sad or hard things happen in your life, as long as you keep in mind that the Lord loves you (if you are saved), and:

    1 Corinthians 10:13
    (13)  There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
     

    There is another thing to keep in mind through all of this, and it is another thing that the world has totally wrong.

    The world says you have have drugs to stop the bad thoughts.

    (Note here that I am not saying that the drugs are always wrong - I am no medical professional, and do not have the knowledge or authority to advise about that specifically, but it is my opinion that drugs are way over-prescribed, and many of these people need nothing more than to be told they are normal and feeling like normal people should feel. Also, anyone currently on drugs should not stop without talking to their doctor, because some of these drugs will cause withdrawal symptoms that can be severe.)

    The world says that you cannot help the way you think.

    The bible says differently - very differently.

    2 Corinthians 10:5-6
    (5)  Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
    (6)  And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
     

    Notice here that we are told to "bring into captivity every thought" - now it specifically relates this to Christ, so this is not in our won strength, but why would the Lord command us to take our thoughts captive if it was not possible?

    Casting down imaginations? That is putting our thoughts into their proper place.

    The World says you cannot control your thoughts and in fact that your thoughts control you, but the Lord says you must take your thoughts CAPTIVE!

    DO NOT BUY the lie that says that you cannot control your thoughts - God says you can and should.

     

    And the best way to do that?

     

    Lets go right back to one of the first passages I pointed to, but lets look at more of it:

    Philippians 4:4-9
    (4)  Rejoice in the Lord alway: and again I say, Rejoice.
    (5)  Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.
    (6)  Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
    (7)  And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
    (8)  Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
    (9)  Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
     

    Several things here:

    Rejoice IN THE LORD, not in your troubles.

    Moderation, not extremes, are the way of the Christian life - including moderation in emotions. Try not to go "really high and really low". The Christian life should be one of stability.

    "Be careful for nothing" means don't worry about everything all the time - instead of worrying about everything, pray about it.

    Do these three and the "peace of God" can be yours, because of what Christ has done for you.

    But it doesn't stop there.

    Paul adds a "finally" to it, and it is an amazing addition.

    He lists a bunch of things and says to us at the end of verse 8 "think on these things".

    This is again an indicator that we can control our thoughts, and we should control our thoughts, and we should specifically think about the things he lists in vs 8.

    Things that are:

    • true
    • honest
    • just
    • pure
    • lovely
    • of good report
    • virtue
    • praise

    And the thing I like to remind people of is that the highest expression of truth, honesty, justice, purity, loveliness, good report, virtue, and praise, is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ.

     

    Think about the wonderfulness of God and what He has done for you, and what He continues to do for you every day.

     

    Now then, whilst always keeping in mind that Jesus Christ loves you in amazing ways, if you lose your job, or you get some bad news, you are allowed to be unhappy about it - but if the unhappiness begins to overwhelm you, then you need to bring those thoughts into captivity, and make yourself think about the things of the Lord.

    Then you can be unhappy, and yet still rejoicing in the Lord.

    God made us with emotions - the key is to control them, not allow them to control us.

     

    Finally, the world loves us to think we are the only one and that everyone else "has it all together" - the truth is that people only see what we let them see.

    the best illustration I can think of is the wife and mother, who when she hears that someone has been invited over, goes on a massive cleaning spree. When the guest comes over they look around and see the house spotless and perfectly organised, and they think to themselves "I wish my house was as neat and clean as this".

    But the house isn't always as "neat and clean as this" - it is normally pretty good, and not a mess, but it only gets perfect when people come over - but the guests don't see that - they only see the specially prepared "neat and clean" not the normal. But when the roles are reversed and the hosts become the guests the same things happens, and each wife feels as though she is not as good as the other - but they each do a fine job normally, but a special effort for guests.

    Depression is exactly the same - people look at each other and only see the outside that we want to show them, which looks like we have it all together - but inside is a different story.

    Outside we want everyone to think we are doing fine, and that is what we show them, and that is what they see. What they don't see is the inside, which is probably very much like their own "inside" which they don't let others see.........

     

    I hope all of this is clear.......

     

    Dave! Thank you for your time typing all that down. 
    I wish I was able to read this post last July. But now that I have, I'm still blessed regardless. :) 
    You stated some REALLY good points.

    I was at my lowest last year and I was able to talk to another Christian woman about it and she  told me "You know the bible, you know what can fix you or somehow help you, but you are stubborn"

    That was the time I realize that what makes me "depressed" is that I am not lacking in anything. I have a good job and I can buy anything I can afford but I am left unsatisfied. 
    Which is what the bible tells us. 

    All is vanity.

    I was too proud to admit that I left my first love and the joy of serving God wasn't there anymore. 
    Then I asked for joy. I asked God to make me delight in Him more. 

    And He did. 

     

     

    On 7/11/2017 at 3:22 PM, swathdiver said:

    People can and do become chemically imbalanced which can lead to depression.  Some of my medications were giving me problems along these lines and I had to stop taking them.  The things going through my head were worse than usual!  And out of character for me too!  

    Much of it has to do with what we put into that hole below our noses, we are what we eat.

    Thanks swathdiver. :) 

    On 7/18/2017 at 6:00 PM, TheSword said:

    In addition to what DaveW said and along the lines of Swathdiver, depression can come in different forms. DaveW covered the emotional form in which events in our lives affect our emotional health. Swath talked about an environmental form in which the things we do to or put in our bodies can have a profound effect. I would like to add a physical or hormonal form in which our bodies fail to function properly. A great example of this is post-partum depression, which my wife has been through a couple times. Sometimes it's not related to any event in our lives other than the fact that in our sin-cursed world, the body breaks down and doesn't always work correctly. Just as our pancreas can stop producing insulin and cause diabetes or your kidney may stop filtering your blood properly and result in kidney failure, your thyroid or pituitary glands can stop producing the right amount of hormones and wreak all kinds of havoc. Whether we like to admit it or not, this fallen vessel we call a body functions or fails without or consent and has a profound impact on how our soul is able to interact with the physical creation.

    There are many potential causes for true depression, and the cause determines the treatment. Sometimes it is steady prayer and engagement with friends, family, or counselors and sometimes it's medication to get your body functioning the way it should. While I believe it can be sinful to keep yourself in a depressed state by focusing on the negatives in life and a refusal to find joy in Christ, true clinical depression is an ailment like any other illness. Making yourself (or someone else) feel bad about it will only make it worse. Acknowledging the problem and seeking the cause to determine the right solution is the first step to recovery.

    Thank you TheSword. 

    I still feel the emptiness every now and then but I am definitely feeling better than I was last year. :)
     

     

  6. I’m reading Exodus now and I’m just wondering whatever happened to the Manna that God instructed Israel to put in a jar to remind the nation of what God did for the nation of Israel. 

    Maybe it’s replaced by the Bible, the word of God. Man shall not live by bread alone but by every word of God. Something that you need everyday. 

    It could also be mercy which is renewed everyday. :) 

    Going back to the manna.  Since the temples  were destroyed before, it probably was destroyed as well. 

     

  7. 49 minutes ago, CelinaCelinaCelina said:

    It’s by Thomas Nelson as well. :) 

    The paper is thinner than I’d prefer but it’s thicker than those of premium bibles. And it’s $39.99. Not bad! 

    https://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-Version-Personal-Lightweight/dp/0718080432

    Saw this from amazon and it’s only $25. :))) 

     

     

    3 hours ago, Saved41199 said:

    Where did you find it? 

    Thanks in advance

    Or maybe this has thicker pages. 

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0718089634/ref=pd_aw_sbs_14_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=JCA0PPEC03H22N9BYRSC&dpPl=1&dpID=91T7m9ZzFYL

  8. 6 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

    I do some of both. But I keep my old Bibles, so I still have the information as a reference.

    Yes. I’m gonna keep my old one too. 

    5 hours ago, Invicta said:

    My wife always reads the bible in French.  For years she used the Louis Segond until we met an American missionary Pastor in France who has had printed and imported 5 tons of Ostervald bibles, which are based on the Texte Reçu, the received text.  I bought a few of these for various friends.  While we were there a few years ago the pastor gave my wife one leather bound copy where a number of pages in psalms were torn in printing and binding.  She uses that in her daily reading and her complete one for church, only referring to that at home when she needs to.  They also had one where the books were in reverse order, beginning at Revelation and ending with Genesis. 

    That’s amazing! :) I wish I can read the bible in Filipino. Although there are KJV’s in Tagalog, I just can’t understand it. I understand it better in English.  I didn’t know there were bibles like that (reverse order) 

     

    5 hours ago, WellWithMySoul said:

    I have very mixed feelings when I get a new Bible.  :12_slight_smile:  I absolutely love my Bibles and I have notes all over the place and verses underlined with emphasized markings.  The Bible is so exciting and I love how it teaches me knowledge, and by the Spirit I glean understanding!  I still have the little KJV New Testament that I was given as a very little girl, and then a KJV Bible with both testaments...and my name engraved into the leather-made cover.  Just think!  The Word is God-breathed!  It's alive and powerful (Heb. 4:12).  It is God speaking to US!  I recently wrote a little piece that I entitled "Are We Paying Attention?"  Are we paying attention when we open up our Bibles and read from them?  Do we truly understand that God is talking to us?  He's not just talking to the saints of old...but to you and to me...today!  Wow!  Anyway...I'm sorry that I go on sometimes, but His Word is just so marvelous and so sweet, so full of instruction and comfort and light!  So...though I have mixed feelings when I get a new Bible it is still a joy because I know that what I've hidden in my heart is still there and there's all the more opportunity to learn and to grow more and more.  What a treasure God's Word is to us!!

    Me too! I love a new bible but I also love how my old one looks like right now. It reflects the wisdom God shared with me reading it for many years. And yes. 

    Bible reading is being in a conversation with God. :))) You’ll understand passages better and apply it to your present circumstances in a different angle than you used to. 

    This book is all we need. :) 

    I’m reading Exodus now. Although I would love if God is in our midst  in a cloud or fire as well. I realized that Israel still rebelled and complain unto God even when they can see Him! Also, God is inside us which is better. :) 

     

    38 minutes ago, Saved41199 said:

    My husband and I bought new bibles when we were baptized at our church, just over a year ago now. I hope to keep it forever, as I've already highlighted, put notes in it, etc. I had a cover for it but THAT got messed up in my car (don't ask...). I don't think I could ever transfer all the notes I've already made in it, it'd take just WAY too long. Eventually I'd love to find a nice wide-margin bible that would let me make neater notes in it, but right now it's just not in the budget. 

    This is the one we have 

    https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/king-james-study-bible-thomas-nelson/1100178436?ean=9781401679484#/

    I have a Thomas Nelson Study Bible too. :) all of my bibles are Thomas Nelson because they’re the best available that i can readily buy. 

    I have a journal bible, a single column with wide margins I used for advanced bible study. :) 

    1 hour ago, Jordan Kurecki said:

    I transfer my notes from one to the next. Sometimes I skip some notes if I have changed my mind or don’t see them as being significant 

    Noted. :) 

    I’ll try to do this too ! :) 

  9. On 3/29/2017 at 2:47 AM, Bob from England said:

    I'm not sure if this is the right place, or if it has been discussed before but here goes...

    I read recently that one can read the Bible through, at moderate reading speed, in 80 hours.  Therefore, half hour spent daily just reading it systematically would get one through it in 160 days.

    However, I wonder if it is wise to read it through from Genesis to Revelation as it means that one doesn't come to the NT for some time.  What do y'all think?

    When I first got saved, I was so hungry with God's word that I was able to read the bible from Genesis to Revelations in 2 months. (60 days.) 
    I would read it every chance I get. I was still in my last year of college so I have about 5 hours of class per day. 

    I did it cover to cover, however, I'd skip a few times and go to Psalms and or the epistles. 
    I loved the feeling though. It's all I think about 24/7. 

    Do I know everything about the bible after that? Nope. 
    But I was able to get the nutrients I need from my "milk". 

    Reading the bible the second time around is so much better since I was able to put verse references myself. 
    The more I read it the more I love God because how great is He to author this great book!! 

     

     

  10. So I just bought a new bible. Oh how I love the feel of a new bible. :))))):17_heart_eyes::17_heart_eyes::17_heart_eyes::17_heart_eyes::17_heart_eyes:
    My current bible is a little bit worn out, still in one piece but I just glued the spine together so the pages won't fall out. But it's still usable. I've had for 7 years (from when I got saved) and my notes are all in the margins and note pages. 


    However, after I bought my Study Bible (I bought it for the pictures and geographical notes, mosty), I've been visiting the Christian Bookstore almost everyday. (Because I'm a hoarder and I buy things even when I dont need them. Please pray for me.) Bibles are 50% off since it's the Holy Week and I saw this blue Thomas Nelson Bible which has thick pages. I need to be able to highlight and write on the pages so I go for those kinds of bible. So I bought it and I'm excited to use it. But all my highlights and notes are on the old one. 

    How do you guys deal with a new Bible? 
    Do you copy the highlights and notes from the old one? or you try to make a new "learning and journey" with the new?

     

     

     

  11. Is it wrong for a christian to be depressed? The bible says that we are ought to rejoice in the Lord. And I don't know why I'm always sad or at least neutral. 

    I went to a psychiatrist last year due to my eating problems and feeling depressed to the point of suicidal thoughts. I've never acted upon it and thank God for it. The doctor prescribed a few meds for my eating problems and "suicidal thoughts" but they don't really cure anything. They just make me weak and sleepy and I feel nothing. 

    I've prayed for God to help me but I still feel sad all the time. I'll laugh at jokes with friends but generally, I feel so empty and sad. 

    I know I should have joy for the promise of salvation. And that I should reflect that joy that God gives. I am going to be a hypocrite if I say I'm joyful when I'm not. 

    Also, the fact that I feel alone. The Christians I know around me don't hold the same beliefs as I do. It's hard to connect to anyone. 

    If I relocate somewhere, this will take me far from my family which will make me feel more lonesome. 

    I guess I'll request for your prayers too. :) 

    Thank you for your responses. 

  12. On 7/8/2017 at 2:26 PM, swathdiver said:

    In the context of my post to you, that they quoted from the Old and New Testaments, no, it is not important what they believed.  The fact is they quoted from the bible, knew of all 66 books long before the Catholic Church came into being.

    It is good to know the history of the bible and the bible itself.  However, you will never convince a lost person, especially a militant Catholic, that they are wrong by going tit for tat with facts.  You can win every time and not sway their opinion.  Do you know why?  Because you are trying to get the truth to their brain through logic.  These are spiritually blind people.  They cannot understand the scriptures the way a Christian does as they do not have eyes to see with; nor the Holy Spirit to guide them in the truth!  The proper way to witness is to bypass their brains and go straight for their hearts!  Know how I know?  Why, the bible tells me so...

    "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:

    Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts..." - Romans 2:14-15

    “Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” - Romans 3:20

    “For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.” - Romans 10:10

    Having said all of this, you can break a leg on their stool of belief for those hardened ones.  Break one leg and their belief system becomes unstable.  Break two and they'll fall down.  Pick any of the verses posted in this thread and use it on those poor Catholics to break the legs of their stool.  Then, maybe, they might be more receptive to that glorious gospel of truth.

    Please also read and hide in your heart Ma'am, Galatians 3.  

    Once a person realizes that he has broken the Ten Commandments and is guilty before God, deserving of hell, then will you have bypassed his brain and brought the truth to his heart.  The Holy Spirit can then wrought his work and the poor sinner will then choose to keep living like the devil or to surrender his life to Christ and make repentance to God.

     

    Thank you. :) 

  13. On ‎7‎/‎6‎/‎2017 at 10:58 AM, 1Timothy115 said:

    Have you looked at the OT references to God's Word (particularly with reference to Christ) and then looked at Jesus Christ's confirmation (by use) of these OT scriptures? I do not believe God's own Son would allow the kind of misrepresentation you are saying would be objected to by non-believers. What it comes down to in your particular case is scripture in the NT...

    Faith... Hebrews 11:6 . God would not leave us without truth about Himself... Isaiah 40:8 and 1 Peter 1:24 .  Finally our Lord's testimony Matthew 24:35John 5:39  "Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me." We know that Christ confirmed the OT by quotation on so many occasions and we know the OT was preserved by the Jews.

    You may never be able to convince a willful nonbeliever so leave them with something like Torrey recommended...
    "Give a pointed passage of scripture and let it talk for itself and then allow them time to reflect upon it. Mark 16:16 “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” Prov. 29:1 “He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy.""

    I am amazed just how you will confirm scripture by scripture. I find it joy whenever I see a verse and I'll be able to refer it to somewhere in the OT or vice versa.
    This is how I believe that these books are from God because there is no way man can ever do such a thing."

    My objective is to be able to explain to non-believers how reliable the bible is.

    Isn't it important to win souls for Christ too? And I do understand that those people (who will believe the gospel) will have faith in God when He promised to preserve His word., but I want to have compassion to those who see things differently and want to "confirm" things.

    I do not doubt that the bible we have now is the word of God.
    Though I have to admit, in times of solitude, whenever I contemplate about my life, sometimes, I doubt everything I know. And I am ashamed for having those thoughts. I wish my faith is always strong.

    I live in a country full of Catholics. And I have encountered those people who are open to discuss the bible. Most of these people don't care. They don't read their bibles and they don't really want to know. I just want to be able to defend the bible to non-believers is all.

    I am the kind of person who will not believe something unless I research about it first. Like I need to prove it myself first.
    I can analyze things intellectually and Praise God that He removed the scales from my eyes to see the amazing news of the gospel.

    Romans 1:22

    22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    1 Cor 3:19
    For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

    I wish I was clear as to my question though. :/
    But I do appreciate your inputs.

    Thank you very much.

     

  14. On ‎7‎/‎3‎/‎2017 at 6:50 PM, swathdiver said:

                Outside of the bible, men such as Irenaeus (125-192), made 1,800 quotations from the New Testament in his writings and only acknowledge the four gospels as scripture.  Clement of Alexandria (150-217) called the books “divine scriptures” and also quoted from the four gospels and most of the other books of the New Testament in his writings.  Tertullian (150-220) made over 7,000 references to the New Testament and referred to them as scripture as well.

              

    Hello.

    I saw another article somewhere online mentioning these people.
    Some catholics claim that  these people are Catholics. "Early Fathers" or something.

    How do we know what they believed and what they practice back in those days?
    The thing is, I have no idea who they are unless I will google them.

    Are they important?

    My point is not to spark debates okay. I seriously want to know. I can't defend this part right here.
    How do I know that these "people" followed the early Christians who were taught directly by Christ and His apostles?

    I believe being able to defend the bible is ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT THINGS.

    I do believe that God promised to preserve His word and that the Bible we have now is indeed the word of God.
    I don't really need explanations. But how can I defend it?

    I mean, apart from the people mentioned in the scriptures, how can we know those who claim this and this and that book is included should be trusted?
    Is my point clear? HAHA.

    I apologize.
    There is something I'm not getting

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