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  1. Wait till your 67 and start thinking about how much has changed within your personal memory. I remember the opposition to this being sung in our church. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3usXFCh56iA
  2. You're right, the mainstream media won't report it. What's just as bad, the mainstream media is using every possible tactic to show Christians in the worst possible light. In any given situtation they'll zero in on the extremist, the "nut case", if you will, and ignore the other 99 that are also present. Yet, if the coverage is for something that meets with their agenda, they'll carefully avoid anything/anyone, on the fringes, who isn't demonstrating "peace and love". That's why I included the term "basic education" in my earlier reply. Basic education meaning both God's word and plain old civics. Both have been dropped from the school systems to make way for modern progressive thinking and theories. And it isn't just the mainstream news media and the public school systems. There's a series on one of the history channels called Ancient Aliens. I watched one of the episodes the other night. It's a direct attack on Christianity in several different ways. It relegates the Bible to myth status as it explores/explains ancient history with possible visits by beings with higher intelligence who influenced our past. Yet, the premises are often absurd when you stop to think about what they're saying. If outer space visitors where so advanced and came to impact mankind, why did they need primative stone structures to aid in their navigation? (One of the premises of the episode I watched. Certain ancient ruins were spacecraft landing sites constructed for that purpose.) Didn't those of superiour intelligence have an equivalent of GPS or better? Since it's Sunday morning, in a little while I'll be leaving to go to worship services. I wonder how many of those in the cars I meet, or the houses I pass don't have a clue or don't even care to have a clue about what satan is doing in this world? They've been taught by our modern education system. They've been guided by the mainstream news media. They've been influenced by the "experts" who bring understanding through investigative reporting of documentary producers. They've been lured by the entertainment industries. They've been pampered and lulled into complacency by the government. Pause...... Heavenly Father, these tears are for the ones all around me that satan has captured. I pray that you'll touch their hearts that they may recognize what's being done to them. I'm afraid that with the education system, media, and other infuences, many don't even realize there's another way. As it be thy will give them the awareness that they do have a choice. And, as it by Thy will help me and other Christains, through word and deed, the way to Jesus and salvation. In His Holy and most precious Name, I pray. Amen
  3. The loss of our personal liberty has been a gradual one. Govermental agencies, at all levels, have been taking small bites, one at a time. One French fry at a time, if you will. When we moved here in the mid 70's the only "zoning" requirement was to have a septic tank permit. Now, the land that our blood, sweat, and tears paid for is actually a rental property with a governmental landlord who watches everything we do. We must obtain his permission, which he often refuses to give, for what we want to do in our own backyard. (Last tax evaluation inspection included taking pictures, along with re-measuring everything outside our home.) Even though we own several acres and our closest neighbor is a 1/2 mile away, I CANNOT build a workshop in my backyard, due to specific zoning regulations. You may ask what does this have to do with food. Simple. Soda serving size is like that septic tank requirement. Rather harmless in limiting freedom and does serve a preceived need. What will be added, next, to the food "zoning" restrictions? How about taking peanut products off the market because some people are allergic to them? Or banning home canning of applesauce and jelly? Or growing our own taters for French fries? Did you know that selling home grown fruits and vegetables from roadside stands is under attack? That bite will be followed by one to forbid growing xyz for consumption in our own home. (May already exist in some places.) How far away are the requirements that we must put certain things in our grocery cart or on our plate when we go out to eat? It may be closer than you think. (ObamaCare for the table.) Food police will be watching to make sure you provide a fresh fruit and salad "for the children". Did the founding fathers of this country intend for any level of government to have the ability to tell them what they could and couldn't eat? Can you imagine Patrick Henry accepting someone telling him what size beverage container he could purchase?
  4. Yet another reason why I don't have a Facebook account. Here's the link to the pdf “True Liberty in a New Media Age,” http://content.nrb.org/Webdocs/Legal/True%20liberty-in-a-New-Media-Age9-15-11.pdf
  5. The traversty is schools, at all learning levels, are filling teaching positions with "professors" such as this one.
  6. 1Tim115, often the comments that follow articles, like this one, are a better indication of our current sad state of affairs than the article, itself. Hiding behind a computer screen, commenters probably don't realize they are revealing their true inner self. The pictures they paint of themselves reveals more than any photograph could ever come close to portraying. What's sad on one hand and frightening on the other is the number of people who spew venom, lack of basic education, and other indicators of the depravity that's rampent in this world today. When a voice in the wilderness crys out, ... ever seen a wounded chicken or hog being attached by other members of their species? ... that voice must be wearing the armour of God to withstand the assault from all sides. Parents today, in a large measure, are the product of what was done to the school systems in the past. I can easily see it in the generations that followed mine. My parents would have been outraged and camped out in school offices if what's the norm today had taken place back in the 40's and 50's. Even more so for my grandparents. It's been a slow stripping away of morals, values, and dicipline as entitlement and self importance replaced them. Somewhere along the line a McMansion and new car became more important to "society" as parents turned over rearing their children to school systems and television babysitters. We're seeing the result with today's generation of parents with young children. Pushback to correct what's wrong with our education system is growing weaker and weaker. Satan is firmly in control. In closing, I shouldn't have gotten on this topic, first thing this morning. Now I've got to do an attitude adjustment so I can soon go out and try to do something positive to reflect the glory of God. Can't let discouragement take over this morning!
  7. I suspect that the fear of making a mistake holds some people back from being a witness for the Lord. Especially those new to the Lord who feel they have so much to learn, themselves. Something along the line of..... "What if I make a mistake that pushes someone further from the Lord instead of bringing him closer?".
  8. According to local TV and print media one person complained and now another school board has given in to the ACLU threat of a lawsuit. Prayer eliminated from Franklinton High graduation ceremony http://www.newsobser...rayer-from.html Prayer banned at Franklin County graduation http://abclocal.go.c...ocal&id=8681332
  9. To a large measure it is the fault of anyone who was taking food to her in the quantities needed to gain/maintain that amount of body fat. If she couldn't leave the house, someone had to bring those calories to her everyday. Since, apparently, she expressed the desire to lose weight, she didn't have people around her to give the support she needed to do same. It's like someone who wants to quit drinking or smoking and a family member or friend makes sure there's always a supply of same readily available. Put a pack of cigarettes in front of a person who's going through nicotine withdrawal and watch what happens. I KNOW what happens! Therefore I surmise, the same thing with this young woman. Somebody kept her craving for food well supplied.
  10. Linda, I hope that you aren't accused of changing God's word, as I was, when I posted the link to a similar article. An article that I simply wanted other believers to give their thoughts about the article content. I do hope that no one calls your introductory words "Hogwash" in their passion to make their own points. When I returned to the church, after many, many, years absence, much of what I thought I knew has been changing. With the help of the Holy Spirit, many of my "opinions" have changed in the last two years. Much of this hasn't been easy, when a lifetime of "opinion" supported by many, comes face to face with biblical truth, as the Lord reveals it to me. Often, the start of this process, is when a question, such as this thread, comes to the front burner of my awareness (for lack of a better term). On evolution, it was my pastor's challenge to how I thought I'd reconciled the word of God with what I'd been taught for 50+ years. It wasn't easy to undo all that indroctination. When I came into this thread, I didn't state an opinion, because I didn't have a one on which I face the Lord with a "I believe this is truth". Being a young adult in the 1960's, I heard the battle cry on both sides of this issue. Saw the division it caused within my own church that was along the same lines as fighting over red carpet and other such issues. When Jesus died on the cross for me, did it matter what rags I have on my body? If the illustrations are correct, the only thing He wore was a loincloth when He gave His life to give me eternal life. It has always bothered me when people expressing their belief in His death and resurrection, use the Sunday of rememberance as a time to show off new clothes on their bodies. Back in my day that meant children has new "Easter outfits" and ladies sported fancy new hats. I'm not leaving out the men either, with their new ties, and sometimes new suits. Echos from the past ring out as I type. Conversations before and after services focused on new hats and new ties. People complimenting each other on the one hand, while whispering about those in the congregation who either couldn't afford new clothes or chose not to deck themselves out for the Easter parade. When I received an invitation to the church we attend now, one of my first questions was about clothing. I knew I wouldn't go to any church that placed more emphasis on fabrics/styles/fashion than it did on the Lord. The neighbor who invited us said something along these lines. It makes no difference if you come to church wearing clean (farmers) overalls or a 3 piece suit. When we kneel in prayer the Lord is looking at what we are on the inside, not what's covering the outside. When I came into this thread, I was looking for confirmation of that or a biblical reason why that isn't the case where pants are concerned. I'm talking about decent, modest, pants on both men and women. I'm well aware of the case against those who wear pants so tight people have to lay on a bed to zip them up. (As a woman once told me about how she had to put on the jeans she wore to work.) Nor, am I talking about cross dressers trying to emulate the opposite sex with all of their apparel, not a single article of clothing. Well, folks, I have come to a conclusion. Thanks to all who have posted. Each of you in your own way, has helped to define my "opinion" in this matter. Believers in Christ should dress in a modest manner that doesn't put articles of clothing ahead of Him. A man in a kilt or a woman in the equivalent of carpenter's pants (loose fitting style of jeans with a hammer loop on the side) can kneel at the feet of Christ with the assurance that He knows what's in their hearts. What isn't pleasing to God is when people fight over a single article of clothing much like they fight over the color of the carpet in a church isle. There are no pants stipulations for men or women attached to: 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
  11. Jerry, I didn't state an opinion or viewpoint on this issue. Simply posted an article and a rebuttal to some responses to the original article. While your reply disagreed with the article, that was fine. However, when by inference you've questioned my "cry for knowledge" with which gives me pause to ponder....... Do you ever read and study anything that's outside the pages of the King James Bible? Sermons by other pastors? Commentaries? Have you ever recommended a book (article, web site, etc), written by a respected Christian author to a brother/sister in Christ or to someone who hasn't come to the Lord? Is your position just as strong on all the points in the Deuteronomic Code (chapters 12-26 of Deuteronomy)? For example, if my great, great, great grandfather was of illegimate birth, should I be banned from entering our church? Surely that is as important as whether the garment on my lower body has been divided by a seam. Lastly, this scripture passage come to mind as I read your reply. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJB 15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Combine that with: Proverbs 2:3-6 KJB 3 Yea, if thou criest after knowledge, and liftest up thy voice for understanding; 4 If thou seekest her as silver, and searchest for her as for hid treasures; 5 Then shalt thou understand the fear of the Lord, and find the knowledge of God. 6 For the Lord giveth wisdom: out of his mouth cometh knowledge and understanding. As I study any item on my "want to know more list" of God's word, I believe the Holy Spirit is my guide, not "wisdom from this world" to rightly divide His word. Now for my "opinion" on this subject. I believe that satan is using Deuteronomy 22:5 to drive a wedge of division into the body of the true church in Christ. This issue regarding the configuration of a piece of fabric reminds me of the fight over red carpet in the church of my youth. Much to my regret, today, that fight (and others) left a lasting impression on this, then new Christian. Yes, deep regret, as I drifted away from the church for many years. I don't know how much influence those fights had on me, but I do know, they were a contributing factor. Satan achieved his goal, in my case.
  12. Since returning to church after a long absence from actively serving the Lord, there are many things on my list as I cry for wisdom and understanding. (Proverbs 2: 3-6) Until this thread, the subject of women wearing pants wasn't on that list. After reading so many posts and differing opinions, decided to do a little digging. In this case that meant trying to learn what was happening at the time and place Deuteronomy 22:5 was inspired by God. Fire up the search engine. Started out looking for info on the female Egyptian pharoah who took on a man's role and wore a fake beard. Looking for her timeline vs when Moses gave the law. You know how search engines function, and soon the word transvestism popped up. Treading carefully to stay away from places I know I don't want to visit on the Internet, I came across this site. Transvestism in Ancient Israel by Claude Mariottini, Professor of Old Testament, Northern Baptist Seminary http://doctor.claude...ent-israel.html Quote from the article's conclusion: The law in Deuteronomy 22:5 is a prohibition against Israelite men and women wearing the garments that would identify them as worshipers of Asherah. Since those garments were dedicated to Asherah and since the servants of Asherah wore identical garments, any Israelite man or any Israelite woman who wore these garments would be committing an abomination against Yahweh. Transvestism is a violation of the natural order and as such, it should not be practiced by the followers of Yahweh. Deuteronomy 22:5 is prohibiting a specific kind of transvestism, one in which men dressed as women and women dressed as men would identify themselves as servants of Asherah, prostitute themselves in the temple of Yahweh, and thus bring ritual impurity to the worship of the God of Israel. And a follow up: Women, Pants, and Deuteronomy 22:5 - Part 1 http://doctor.claude...225-part-1.html Women, Pants, and Deuteronomy 22:5 - Part 2 http://doctor.claude...225-part-2.html Your thoughts? Edit: This search keyword combination seems to work to weed out the undesirable web sites: Bible deuteronomy transvestism pants
  13. AMEN, John. You said it better than I did in another thread. Your post reminds me of long ago in the garden of Eden.
  14. Joshua, this post will not contain any links. As to the "junk" and "filth", in my posts, are you aware that the first link is to Vacation Bible School material that will be shown to countless children this summer while they are at churches? Did you follow the second link to a news article about the upcoming trend of comic book producers? In my humble opinion, all adults should keep abreast of what's happening in an industry who's target audience is primarily young children. Please forgive me for not realizing that you are planning to produce the "art form" being discussed. My choice of words and links may have been a little more diplomatic and probably would have addressed the issue in a different manner. That said, we, as Christians, need more producers of QUALITY materials for children. As I mentioned in my first post, take a look at what's available today in Christian book stores. Using Noah, as an example, the ark is usually represented to be about the size of a small tug boat with cartoon Africian animals sticking their heads out the top. How many realistic renderings of the ark are found in anything produced for mass market appeal? And that includes the Christian market. Being an oldtimer, I remember when quality children's books were the norm. I'm not an expert by any means, but it seems the trends for children's literature has fallen in line with the world's emphasis on Squarepants Bob, and the Simpsons. I used to read the comics page in the newspaper. Most if not all of the good/decent ones either disappeared or changed content. It's been a long time since I stopped reading them, so I don't have a good handle on what's being printed today as "comics". But, I can't imagine the trend has done a 180. Again, one of the tag lines for this thread is "superheroes". The term brings up thoughts of Spiderman, Batman, and all the other caped crusaders. Modern day versions of Greek and Roman gods with powers beyond mere mortal man. Heros are ordinary people doing ordinary and extra ordinary things without mystic supernatural powers or golden lassos and invisible planes. A hero is the man who recently drowned after saving two other people. Not a man with x-ray vision or whatever the current super ability is being displayed by "superheroes". You sound like a talented man with strong convictions. Is there any way you can achieve your goal of bringing quality Christian materials to children without those carrying a "comic, comic book, superheroes" connotation? Comics, comedy, caricatures, etc. are forms of entertainment with a lot of negative baggage associated with them. IMHO, there is a difference between a magazine with good stories and beautifully drawn illustrations and publications labeled "comic books".
  15. Just another reason why I disagree with using "comic books" as a teaching tool for children. Susie: Would you like to read my comic book? Janie: Sure. My mom has been reading some with me that are Bible stories. Susie: Well, you'll like these stories, too. http://tv.yahoo.com/news/dc-comics-character-come-gay-144100957.html?ugCCMtnav=v1%2Fcomments%2Fcontext%2Fe9978624-6eb7-3330-8913-0a3acbb5e23a%2Fcomments%3Fcount%3D20%26sortBy%3Doldest Will Janie tell her mom that she's also reading and absorbing her friend's "comic book"? Will mom even have the opportunity to try to explain there are comic books and then there are comic books?
  16. Edit - posted a reply to the wrong thread. Sorry.
  17. What makes you think I'm naive? However, I suspect we may be talking past each other. My point is simply, there's very little difference between the established Republicans and Democrats. A candidate for either party doesn't stand much of a chance of election (especially in the national arena) if they don't toe the line of those already in power. Romney already had this sewn up tight before the MAY primary in NC. I'm sure you saw how quickly anyone with an idea or two that didn't agree with the status quo fell by the wayside. Not much, if any difference, when McCain rose to the top, last time around. Much of the "hate" before the elections seems to evaporate after the votes are cast. Afterwards, it's let's put aside our differences so we can get this (whatever this may be) done. IMHO, yes, they spew hate to further their agenda. However, a better word to use may be "greed". When people truly hate each other, there's rarely an opporunity for the two sides to compromise. However, when the greed for power and control is foremost, compromise is frequent (even if it's with the devil, himself) when compromise achieves their goal. It isn't hate, it's greed that's creating all the "wars" being incited between neighbors. Generating a "hate" in me for someone across the street from me is a tool being used to keep me distracted, while the greedy gain control over me.
  18. Quote: The state takes half of Hatchett's paycheck to divide among the mothers of his children, but now Hatchett has petitioned the state to help him meet his obligations. Read more: http://www.foxnews.c...s#ixzz1vP8kvOEF Wish I knew how much taxpayers are already paying to help support those children. In exchange for more taxpayer assistance, the state should give him a job that leaves him so tired the only thing he can do is work, eat and sleep.
  19. Jerry, much of this "hate spewed out of the heart" is smoke and mirrors. For example: The establishment Democrats praise ObamaCare because it does so much good for the people. They spew out venom against establishment Republicans who want to take health care away from the "little children". The establishment Republicans despise ObamaCare because it's a form of socialism. They spew out hatred against establishment Democrats who want to destroy "democracy". (Forgetting that we were a REPUBLIC.) Yet, our presidential choices are between a man who set up ObamaCare on a national level with the man who set up the ObamaCare model in his state first. Despite all the negative campaign ads between the two men, where is the true division between them on this single issue? That old cliche of the pot calling the kettle black comes to mind, as I type. Now I agree with you that the country is divided. And is being divided, not so much along party lines (labels), as it it other lines. Those spewing out hatred are fanning the flames that pit the haves against the have nots -- class warfare. (How many poor politicians will be on the November ballot?). More hatred is being spewed every time the race card is played on a national level for political purposes. More of the same on gay marriage, abortion, environmental issues, and anything else that can have neighbor fighting neighbor. Yet within EACH political party we see supporters of the other party's positions. It becomes a "so what" when a candidate comes out against abortion, for example, and agrees with the pro-choice folks on every other political issue. Where is the true division? What's really sad and frightening is the "center" between the folks on the right and those on the left as moved so far to the left, since the founding of this country, the only choices (for all practical purposes) are those on the far LEFT. Instead of comparing Romney to Obama, stop for a moment and compare him to any one of the first half dozen presidents of this country. Is Romney more like one of those in his political views or more like Obama? Within that framework of comparision is there any meaningful division betweeen our presidental choices, come November? So what if those two spew hatred from their hearts against each other between now and then, it's all smoke and mirrors. All that said, come November, the only division we'll see at the national level is the pace at which we'll continue to see the lust for power lead to our downfall. It's time for me to get off my political soapbox on a Sunday morning and turn my thoughts to where they should belong. Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be Thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.
  20. Quick to Listen http://lyrics.astraweb.com/display/113/hymns..unknown..quick_to_listen.html Saviour Like A Shepherd Lead Us http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPlIlkLFt_A&feature=related
  21. Jerry, in many ways we've been a one party country for a long time. The Establishment Party. Those firmly established in power, at all levels, intend to stay there. To stay there, they have to be part of the good ol boys network, which means they can't be too far apart in political viewpoints. Some wear Democat hats and others Republican, instead of their Establishment hat. While the decoration on the outside may be differ, both of them have the same lining.
  22. As I read the article a thought came to mind. It was reinforced while reading this thread. Went back to the article for a second look. Twice in the history of the earth there has been a very limited number of people. (1) Adam & Eve (2) Noah & his family In each instance, everyone in the world, knew of God. Yet, as time passed, the decendents, in each instance, turned away from God. To help counter this, as the article states, God sent messengers to reinforce what was known by the forefathers of those rejecting Him. Is God to blame because, at any time in history, since Noah, the majority of the population of the earth strayed away from their ancestors belief/understanding of Him? The Bible tells us that God has almost destroyed all the people of the world due to sin and unbelief. We are told He sent fire and brimstone to destroy all the inhabidents (sp) in wicked cities. He directed the Hebrews to wipe out all the inhabitants of the Promised Land, when they first arrived. etc. & etc. How are native Americans (prior to the arrival of Europeans) any different from the ____ ites, when the Hebrews entered the Promised Land? At some point in their past their ancentors drifted away from a relationship with God. Remember, if this thought has no merit, I'm just a layman seeking the truth. Please just point me in the right direction.
  23. John, thanks for the heads up on Home Depot. Somehow I'd either missed that about them or it didn't get through my thick head. Maybe it's because I rarely ever shop there, anyway. Same thing with Builder's Supply. It's probably been a year since I last bought anything from them. (BTW, that doesn't mean that I know something negative about Builder's. Just haven't had a need, specific to them, that justified the distance to travel to their location.) And, I do agree with your premise. As time goes by there's more and more that I cross off my list, as I just can't support some aspect. I can't tell you how long it's been since I went to a movie theater or rented a movie. Used to enjoy going to them, when I could watch the movie in the presence of both Grandma and a 6 year old. I do not have a Facebook account and have no intention of getting one nor being apart of that stock market frenzy that was in the news this morning. Just two examples.
  24. Sadly, this is so true, in so many different ways. One of my hobbies is woodworking. I'm not a pro, just something I enjoy doing. I don't sell what I make nor do I sell my abilities when I can help someone else. In order to continue to do this, I have to go to Lowes, Home Depot, Builder's Supply, and others for tools and supplies. I'm reasonably sure that everyone of these suppliers has something that directly or indirectly (as with Lowes) supports sin. Should I boycott all of them and tell my neighbor or church that I can't do xyz for them because I can't find a supplier who doesn't support sin in some manner? Take a coffee cup. Yes, a simple coffee mug to hold my morning coffee. Recently broke one of my favorites and set out to buy a new one. There were a ton of them donated to our church yard sale. Twentyfive cents is a good price for a coffee cup. If I could get by what was printed on the outside of the mug, the next step was to turn it over and see who made it. Ninety to ninetyfive percent of them were made in China. Double header here. Buy a "made in China" coffee mug supports a country/government where sin know no bounds. AND, it supports the stranglehold China has over the US economy. Yes, I can hear the thoughts right now. Drink your coffee out of a tin can if you can't find a coffee mug that isn't made in China or decorated with a "worldly" message. OK, I'll go along with that premise and often do just that when an equivalent alternative is available. However, how about the coffee itself? What am I supporting when I buy a pound of coffee? Fortunately I drink my coffee black. So, I don't have to wonder what's being supported by those producing/selling sugar and coffee creamer. (Or everything else that's sold at the grocery store.) Just a long winded way of saying we have to pick our battles, as we serve the Lord. Satan is going to try to keep us distracted with lots of little brush fires, while he's busy elsewhere burning down the whole forest.
  25. If I've missed something in this thread I apologize. Does the OP have the legal authority to remove the children from their present situation or to mandate their placement in the future? Under our current legal system, is there anyone who can do this, if the OP can't? Isn't the real issue in two parts? (1) The OP should use everything within his scope of influence to encourage the placement of the children into a traditional family, if circumstances come about that will permit same to happen. If he can't/won't, then as a Christian, he should remove himself from this advisory position. (2) While society can't prevent conception of a baby by a gay mother, society can stop the approval of adoption of children by one or more gay parents. However, the increasing approval homosexuality, by society, the battle to deny adoption, isn't likely to be fought. We can't legislate morality, but we sure can legislate keeping children out of immoral situations via adoption regs. Why isn't this one of the battle cries of born again Christians everywhere? Right beside, if not in front, of the definition of marriage as only being the union of a man and a woman. I don't have the words to state how strongly I am opposed to the adoption of children by homosexuals.
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