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  1. I Agree
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in The Book of Revelation & The Verb "Signified"   
    I literally believe that it is indeed literally better to pluck out one's eye or cut off one's hand (and live the rest of one's life maimed) than to literally spend eternity in the literal lake of fire.
    There is literally nothing symbolic about the comparison that Christ was referring to. 
  2. Like
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from 1Timothy115 in The Morality Behind Christian Women Wearing Pants   
    Hello! Welcome!
    You will receive differing views here on that subject.
    My view is that there's nothing wrong with women wearing pants as long as the pants are modest...the same with dresses, skirts, blouses, shirts, etc...
    Modesty of the apparel in how it adorns a lady is the essential key...not the make of the apparel.
    (1 Timothy 2:9-10) In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
     But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
  3. Praying
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in David Cloud Sword Of The Lord Article   
    I was hesitant to bring this up, but I've decided to...for what it's worth.

    I didn't go back and read all of the entries in this thread, but I remember someone saying that David Cloud responded to their email, and he was very short with them (or something to that effect).

    I corresponded with Mr. Cloud once; I think we swapped about 3 emails apiece.

    In his first correspondence, he was very short and brisk; in that, he said that he would make an exception in my case, though he normally wouldn't since he didn't know me personally and he was a busy man.

    At the time, I thought that was kind of rude, but I appreciated his willingness to make an exception.

    I learned that he is an incredibly busy man...he's a missionary to Nepal (where he has started 3 churches...I think), he operates his website, his emails, writes books, does research for his books, preaches at various churches when he's in the States, and who knows what else.

    The following emails that he sent me were also brisk and to the point...just saying what needed to be said.

    So, I wouldn't take it personally if the email you received was short and brisk too. Granted, I think he could have been a little more gracious when we corresponded, but perhaps that's just his personality.

    I know it appears that I'm defending David Cloud, and perhaps I am to an extent...but David Cloud isn't my golden calf.

    Seth is correct, to receive his emails, you have to sign up for them.

    By the way, before I cancelled my Facebook account, I was "friends" with Shelton Smith and was subscribed to the Sword of the Lord's Facebook page. I'm kind of like Bro. Jerry...I enjoy both the Sword and David Cloud.

    If I have to join a camp, I'll forever be IFB, but I'll plant my standard with Jesus! David Cloud is fallible...Shelton Smith is fallible...I'm fallible...every man is fallible, but Jesus is the only one worthy to follow!
  4. I Agree
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in David Cloud Sword Of The Lord Article   
    I see your side too.

    We need more pastors with a back-bone...who aren't afraid to "call 'em out"!

    But I do appreciate a lot of what David Cloud has to say...trust me...in my area, I would never have known about hardly any of the compromise, bad doctrine, etc...that goes on in the church today. People in my area just don't care...and neither do the pastors.
  5. LOL
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in David Cloud Sword Of The Lord Article   
    I agree that the pastor should be responsible for "warning the flock", but unfortunately, many pastors have failed...and continue to fail...on purpose, because they don't want to offend anyone, and they don't want to alienate themselves.

    Like I said earlier, I don't agree with everything David Cloud says, but I don't think it's necessarily un-biblical for him to do what he's doing...

    This comes to mind...


    Romans 16:17
    Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

    The command is to "brethren"...not just to pastors.

    Also, in 1 and 2 Timothy, Paul named the names of false teachers and others who forsook Paul (thereby forsaking correct doctrine) several times (1 Timothy 1:20, 2 Timothy 1:15, 2:17, 3:8, 4:10, and 4:14).

    Paul was the church planter, but he wasn't the Pastor of the church when he gave these "warnings"...Timothy was the pastor.

    Pastorj and Kitagirl, please know that I'm not trying to argue about this...just stating things as I see them.

    Like I said...I don't even agree with myself a lot of the time!
  6. Strongly Disagree
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in The Cross And How Jews Perceive It: Sharing Messiah With The Jewish People   
    ​...you might want to investigate what a cornerstone was (and its place in a foundation) in biblical times.
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  8. Strongly Disagree
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in The Cross And How Jews Perceive It: Sharing Messiah With The Jewish People   
    ​No, it's called applying context to what's written. The context isn't referring to Old Testament prophets; it's referring to those who were alive at the time of the writing of Ephesians...hence the "now" in Ephesians 3:5.
    ​Don't read this as though I'm being sarcastic, because I'm not. Can you not see the context of those verses? Do you not see how often "the law" is also mentioned in those verses? Is "the law" also part of the church?
    The prophets AND the law foretold and pointed to Christ. Christ fulfilled (and will fulfill) what was foretold. While I believe beyond any doubt that God's true prophets were saved, there is nothing in the verses that you've given above or any other scripture that I've seen indicating that the Old Testament prophets were part of the church. The church was future according to the Lord Jesus Christ's own words. 
    Look at the order...
    Ephesians 2:20
    And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
    Jesus Christ - the chief cornerstone...it began with him, and without him, it wouldn't exist. apostles - mentioned before prophets.  prophets - mentioned after apostles. If we're talking about a foundation, a literal foundation has to be laid correctly. You can't put a part of a literal foundation in the wrong order or the foundation will fail...as will the building it supports. Christ is the most important part...the chief cornerstone. That's where a literal foundation starts too...at the cornerstone.
    If I dig a footing...lay a cornerstone...then begin to build the rest of the foundation...
    I can't put the mortar before the block...or the rebar before the block...or the block first, then cover it with mortar, then lay rebar on top of that...no, I have to follow an order to have a firm foundation.
    In our scriptural foundation, Christ is the most important part...the chief cornerstone. Next mentioned is the apostles...THEN prophets are mentioned. The Old Testament prophets came BEFORE the apostles, yet prophets are mentioned after the apostles in the foundation. That's because the context of being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets are referring to prophets alive at the time of Paul's writing...not Old Testament prophets.
    Ephesians 3:5
    Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
     
     
     
  9. Strongly Disagree
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in The Cross And How Jews Perceive It: Sharing Messiah With The Jewish People   
    ​I believe that this is what you're referring to?
    Ephesians 2:20
    And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
    I can see why you would attribute "prophets" as being the Old Testament prophets; thereby, including them in the church. However, in the very next chapter of Ephesians, we find this...
    Ephesians 3:5
    Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
    Paul wasn't referring to the Old Testament prophets; he was referring to the prophets who were alive (now) at the time of his writing.
     
     
  10. Confused
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in The Cross And How Jews Perceive It: Sharing Messiah With The Jewish People   
    Invicta, I've made my position clear many times on this forum; in that, salvation has always, is, and will always be by grace through faith. If your post was in response to mine above, I wasn't speaking of salvation. I can see how one could have misunderstood due to this statement I made...
     
     
    Perhaps I could have worded it better, but I was merely pointing out that the scriptures made it clear that the strangers who joined Israel were... 
    joining the actual people in Israel, in the actual land of Israel, and they were also subject to the actual law that God gave to Israel.  The church (grace) was given no such directive by God, and in using the term "grace", I was referring to the church; not salvation. 
     
    That still doesn't adequately describe what I was trying to say, so I'll just stop trying to explain it.  
  11. Strongly Disagree
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in The Cross And How Jews Perceive It: Sharing Messiah With The Jewish People   
    Invicta,
     
    I was responding to GenevanPreacher; in that, he pointed out that the Bible shows that Gentiles can become part of Israel...I guess he did so to give credence to his belief that the church and Israel are the same. He referenced a portion of scripture which spoke of "strangers" joining Israel. I agree with you; in that, strangers are foreigners...therefore, the strangers were Gentiles who joined in with Israel.
     
    I was only showing that the scripture he used was speaking of the literal land of Israel and the literal Jews. That portion of scripture not only shows that, but also shows that those "strangers" who joined Israel were subject to the law...not grace. Other portions of scripture also show the same.
     
    Hope that helps?
  12. Strongly Disagree
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in The Cross And How Jews Perceive It: Sharing Messiah With The Jewish People   
    Absolutely "strangers" could become part of Israel. However, again, we are talking about the nation and actual people of Israel. 
     
    From the verses you quoted...including the previous verses...
     
    Isaiah 56:1-8
    1   Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
    2   Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath1 from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
    3   Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree.
    4   For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths2, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant;
    5   Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off.
    6   Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath3 from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
    7   Even them will I bring to my holy mountain4, and make them joyful in my house of prayer5: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer6 for all people.
    8   The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him.
     
    1 Christians don't keep the sabbath; that was for Israel...under the law.
    2 Christians don't keep the sabbath; that was for Israel...under the law.
    3 Christians don't keep the sabbath; that was for Israel...under the law.
    4 God's holy mountain is in Jerusalem...in Israel.
    5 God's house of prayer is the temple...in Jerusalem...in Israel.
    6 The Lord Jesus Christ quoted this when he cleansed...the temple...in Jerusalem...in Israel.
  13. Praying
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in Why can't people do what they say they'll do?   
    Oh dear...no sir...that wasn't directed at you by any means.
    It was directed at a contractor who did some work for us.
  14. Praying
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in Why can't people do what they say they'll do?   
    Do you have any idea how patient I've been...and how often I've changed plans to accommodate your "word"?
    Folks, if you say you're going to do something, then do it. Otherwise, keep your mouth shut.
    Sorry...needed to vent.
  15. I Agree
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in Billy Graham   
    John, you are either continuing your game, or you are naive in your understanding.
    Popes make statements from pulpits, Benny Hinn makes statements from pulpits, and all kinds of false teachers make statements from behind pulpits, yet the pulpit doesn't make the statement true.
    If you actually believe what you're espousing, you have my deepest and most sincere regret for your naivety. However, if you are just espousing shenanigans that are supposedly pointed at Christianity, you are the one looking quite foolish...not us.
    Which is it friend? 
    Sadly...as much as I appreciated your "uniqueness" at first...I will no longer play your game at this point.
  16. Like
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from swathdiver in Gehazi was healed and restored?   
    Yeah...it's easy to get them mixed up...real easy when it doesn't fit your story.  
    Is he saying that even the Bible has the names mixed up...that even though his version says Elisha, it actually means Elijah? It's rather easy to read the story of who the prophet was that dealt with Naaman's leprosy...
    Like I said earlier...pride trumps truth.
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from swathdiver in Gehazi was healed and restored?   
    I assume he said he was appointed to the king's advisory board because the king asked him about Elisha? That's no appointment. Our City Manager asks me questions from time to time, but I'm not on any board. I'm not even on "board" with him asking me questions.
    The Bible doesn't name the four lepers.
    The Bible doesn't say that Gehazi was healed.
    The Bible does say that Gehazi would be a leper forever.
    The Bible; Tony Evans? The Bible; Tony Evans?
    I'll take the Bible.
    I've heard of Tony Evans, but I've never heard or read anything by him.
    By the way, yes, God can reverse every downturn in your life...but that doesn't mean he will. 
  18. Like
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from swathdiver in Gehazi was healed and restored?   
    Did he give a Bible reference for that? Sounds to me like he wanted a good story to go along with his promise that God can reverse every downturn in life if you follow him and his word. What if your "downturn" is part of God's will for your life? Paul had a downturn in life that God never "reversed"...
    First, we see this...
    2 Kings 5:25-27
    25   But he went in, and stood before his master. And Elisha said unto him, Whence comest thou, Gehazi? And he said, Thy servant went no whither.
    26   And he said unto him, Went not mine heart with thee, when the man turned again from his chariot to meet thee? Is it a time to receive money, and to receive garments, and oliveyards, and vineyards, and sheep, and oxen, and menservants, and maidservants?
    27   The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.
    Sounds like there would be no healing to me.
    Second, we see this...
    2 Kings 7:3
    And there were four leprous men at the entering in of the gate: and they said one to another, Why sit we here until we die?
    The lepers aren't named; he's saying that Gehazi was one of those lepers. How could he possibly know since they aren't named, and there is no indication whatsoever that one of them is Gehazi.
    Third we see this...
    2 Kings 8:1-6
    1   Then spake Elisha unto the woman, whose son he had restored to life, saying, Arise, and go thou and thine household, and sojourn wheresoever thou canst sojourn: for the LORD hath called for a famine; and it shall also come upon the land seven years.
    2   And the woman arose, and did after the saying of the man of God: and she went with her household, and sojourned in the land of the Philistines seven years.
    3   And it came to pass at the seven years' end, that the woman returned out of the land of the Philistines: and she went forth to cry unto the king for her house and for her land.
    4   And the king talked with Gehazi the servant of the man of God, saying, Tell me, I pray thee, all the great things that Elisha hath done.
    5   And it came to pass, as he was telling the king how he had restored a dead body to life, that, behold, the woman, whose son he had restored to life, cried to the king for her house and for her land. And Gehazi said, My lord, O king, this is the woman, and this is her son, whom Elisha restored to life.
    6   And when the king asked the woman, she told him. So the king appointed unto her a certain officer, saying, Restore all that was hers, and all the fruits of the field since the day that she left the land, even until now.
    The only thing restored by the king was done for the woman whose son was raised from the dead. There's nothing saying that Gehazi was healed and made an advisor to the king. All Gehazi did was tell the king about Elisha raising the woman's son from the dead. That's not an advisory position; he wanted to hear about Elisha...not advice.
    I've read where people "ASSUME" that Gehazi was healed, because (according to the law) a leper wasn't supposed to be out in public; therefore, the king wouldn't have even talked with him since he was a leper.
    However, in reading the laws concerning lepers, only those with risings, raw flesh, etc. were unclean...for example...
    (yellow highlight=unclean...blue highlight=clean)
    Leviticus 13:9-17
    9   When the plague of leprosy is in a man, then he shall be brought unto the priest;
    10   And the priest shall see him: and, behold, if the rising be white in the skin, and it have turned the hair white, and there be quick raw flesh in the rising;
    11   It is an old leprosy in the skin of his flesh, and the priest shall pronounce him unclean, and shall not shut him up: for he is unclean.
    12   And if a leprosy break out abroad in the skin, and the leprosy cover all the skin of him that hath the plague from his head even to his foot, wheresoever the priest looketh;
    13   Then the priest shall consider: and, behold, if the leprosy have covered all his flesh, he shall pronounce him clean that hath the plague: it is all turned white: he is clean.
    14   But when raw flesh appeareth in him, he shall be unclean.
    15   And the priest shall see the raw flesh, and pronounce him to be unclean: for the raw flesh is unclean: it is a leprosy.
    16   Or if the raw flesh turn again, and be changed unto white, he shall come unto the priest;
    17   And the priest shall see him: and, behold, if the plague be turned into white; then the priest shall pronounce him clean that hath the plague: he is clean.
    What kind of leprosy did Gehazi have?
    2 Kings 5:27
    The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever. And he went out from his presence a leper as white as snow.
    Gehazi's leprosy was white; it wasn't contagious; therefore, it perfectly within the law for him to be out in public and for the king to talk to him.
    Tony Evans spun a tale...
     
  19. Like
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from SureWord in Bristol Revival by CT Townsend   
    Sorry...but when I hear the word "dynamic" used to promote a service, method, or system...
    I'll just be quiet now.
  20. Like
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Doc Flay in Regarding "mansions"...   
    I heard a preacher the other day, and he was talking about Jewish marriage from the past.
     
    In order to make this short, I'll cut right to the chase...
     
    I've heard about the period of time when the man and wife are espoused to each other; during which, the future groom will build an addition onto his father's house for he and his future bride to live in. The preacher said that this addition was called a mansion.
     
    Has anyone else heard this before?
  21. Sad
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from trapperhoney in Thompson Chain Reference Bible   
    I like it too.
    So did someone else, because mine was stolen...at church.
  22. Like
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from WellWithMySoul in If you have one practical tip you can share   
    3. As you're able...as the respondent permits...and as time permits...give them the actual gospel. Don't side-step the gospel for a popular modern-day derivative or anything less. They need to know and understand that the Lord Jesus Christ died for their sins according to the scriptures (and what that entails). They need to know and understand that he was buried (and what that entails), They need to know and understand that he rose from from the dead on the third day according to the scriptures (and what that entails). 1 Corinthian 15
    Don't give them a quick ABC (A - admit that you're a sinner, B - believe that Jesus is the Christ, and C - confess your sins)...that's not the gospel. Give them the actual-biblical gospel, allow the Holy Spirit to work in their heart and life, and leave the results to him after you've done what you can do.
    Don't seek numbers or personal acknowledgement for how great of a soul-winner you are...work on one individual...work on one person. It's not a race to see who's the greatest soulwinner. It's not a race to see who can have the most numbers. It's about keeping a living, breathing, lost soul out of hell when they die. They are a person...a soul...someone for whom Christ died. They're not a number.
    Luke 15:7  I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
     
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    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from Chase Tallent in Steven Anderson   
    John,
    I've read your previous statements on this matter. From reading them, I can "somewhat, but very slightly" see what you are saying and what you're trying to convey (though it isn't really that clear). 
    As you said...there are those who frequent Online Baptist. Unfortunately, they may (or may not) have read your other posts nor understood what you were trying to convey.
    I have to admit...like DaveW...and despite somewhat understanding your position...my overall impression (from what you have posted) has been that you are a supporter of Anderson.
    It would help if you would give a definitive answer as to whether you view him as someone that you would recommend to others.
  24. LOL
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from heartstrings in Put Your Bad Jokes Here...   
    How many psychoanalysts does it take to change a lightbulb? 
     
    None. The lightbulb must want to change itself.
  25. LOL
    No Nicolaitans got a reaction from NotAshamed in These Foods Do NOT Belong Together   
    That's IT!!! 
    I'm done here!
    God's holy infallible word says that by their fruit, you shall know them (paraphrased because I'm really really really really really really really really really really really upset).
    Lest ye know, the tomato is a fruit.
    Lest ye know, ketchup is derived from the tomato.
    I thought that I was among friends here; however, now the cat is out of the bag...it's carved in stone...it's recorded on Google... ?  ?
    I may be wrong, but I'm  pretty suspicious that the manna that the Israelites ate in the wilderness was scrambled eggs with ketchup on it. 
    Anyone who is against scrambled eggs with ketchup is surely a heretic!!!  ?  ?
    Hey...I'm just speaking the truth whether you like it or not!  ?
     
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