No Nicolaitans

1 minute ago, Konstantin said:

The answer to your question is already below 

The Bible has dual authorship. There are mistakes and inaccuracies in it because it was written by "holy men of God" (2 Peter 1:21). The text of the Bible is "the word of men" (1 Thess. 2:13), which is clear to everyone. KJV1611AV calls these men according to their names (the 47 persons).  But these men "were moued by the holy Ghost" (2 Peter 1:21). Therefore, the Author of the prophetic meaning of Bible verses is God. God's Word is "a more sure word of prophecie"(2 Peter 1:19), than "the word of men" (1 Thess. 2:13). The prophetic meaning of Bible verses is hidden from unbelievers. The Author of the Scripture uses the mistakes of the men of God to convey His words to people who seek the truth. The Bible of King 1611 is AV approved by the Author of the Scriptures. Bible publications 1769 and 1873 are not AV. Scripture says:

"Studie to shewe thy selfe approued vnto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly diuiding the word of trueth." (2Tim.2:15)

In other words, you're avoiding actually answering...

That's fine. Carry on.

45 minutes ago, Konstantin said:

Sorry, but I answer: My post is one piece. You are trying to destroy the context of my post by dividing it into parts.

Therefore, I can only tell you: "No, Nicolaitans!"

 

The Bible has dual authorship. There are mistakes and inaccuracies in it because it was written by "holy men of God" (2 Peter 1:21). The text of the Bible is "the word of men" (1 Thess. 2:13), which is clear to everyone. KJV1611AV calls these men according to their names (the 47 persons).  But these men "were moued by the holy Ghost" (2 Peter 1:21). Therefore, the Author of the prophetic meaning of Bible verses is God. God's Word is "a more sure word of prophecie"(2 Peter 1:19), than "the word of men" (1 Thess. 2:13). The prophetic meaning of Bible verses is hidden from unbelievers. The Author of the Scripture uses the mistakes of the men of God to convey His words to people who seek the truth. The Bible of King 1611 is AV approved by the Author of the Scriptures. Bible publications 1769 and 1873 are not AV. Scripture says:

"Studie to shewe thy selfe approued vnto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly diuiding the word of trueth." (2Tim.2:15)

Seriously? Okay. Then I'll answer your one post with one answer...

Why are you quoting non-prophetic verses, when (in your opinion) non-prophetic verses are not from God...and why do you trust prophetic verses when they were written down by the same men whom you claim made mistakes?

1 hour ago, Konstantin said:

The Bible has dual authorship

No, it doesn't.

1 hour ago, Konstantin said:

There are mistakes and inaccuracies in it because it was written by "holy men of God" (2 Peter 1:21).

No, there's not.

1 hour ago, Konstantin said:

The text of the Bible is "the word of men" (1 Thess. 2:13), which is clear to everyone. KJV1611AV calls these men according to their names (the 47 persons).

That's not what that verse says.

1 hour ago, Konstantin said:

Therefore, the Author of the prophetic meaning of Bible verses is God. God's Word is "a more sure word of prophecie"(2 Peter 1:19), than "the word of men" (1 Thess. 2:13).

So...only the prophetic verses are from God?

...but weren't they also written down by the men whom you said made mistakes?

1 hour ago, Konstantin said:

The prophetic meaning of Bible verses is hidden from unbelievers.

No, it's not just the prophetic meaning.

1 hour ago, Konstantin said:

The Author of the Scripture uses the mistakes of the men of God to convey His words to people who seek the truth.

No, the Author uses his word to convey his word.

1 hour ago, Konstantin said:

"Studie to shewe thy selfe approued vnto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly diuiding the word of trueth." (2Tim.2:15)

Please use this in your own life.

Wait...

...wasn't that also written by men who made mistakes? Wait...that's not prophetic either. Oh dear...

...and don't respond to this please. I've never seen such foolishness.

5 hours ago, DaChaser said:

True, but Calsvinists and Arminians teach the same Gospel, just disagree on underrstanding it!

There are more than two identifiers...

Gal 1:6-9 KJV

6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: 7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Sounds to me as though the gospel is kind of important and more than worthy to separate over.

...but that's my opinion and Paul's.

18 hours ago, Pastor Scott Markle said:

Understood.  I, on the other hand, will continue to hold that Calvinistic/Reformed soteriology is false doctrine; and I WILL separate over it - at least over the two points of regeneration before faith and of limited atonement.

14 hours ago, DaChaser said:

Secondary issue, as we should only separate over issues such as "is Jesus God, Did he physically resurrect, is the Bible inspired?"

13 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

The way of eternal life is hardly a secondary issue.

 

1Ti 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Sounds like true salvation (and the means thereof) is somewhat important...almost as though it's the whole reason for everything.

On 5/16/2020 at 4:59 PM, KJV ME! said:

Yeah hath God said?

Hi, and welcome to Online Baptist. Thank you for your stand upon the KJB.

If I may, I would like to humbly ask for clarification on your beliefs. After looking at your profile, you state that you are..."Old Line Sovereign Grace Primitive Baptist".

I have an understanding of what I know both "sovereign grace" and "Primitive Baptist" mean, but would you mind clarifying what those terms mean to you in relation to salvation? I would appreciate your answers so that I will better understand...

1. If I am correct in my understanding.

2. To let others here know your beliefs.

Respectfully,

No Nicolaitans

10 hours ago, WellWithMySoul said:

To the others discussing the differences in versions, it's all good - but what I really need is counsel on - is how to have godly integrity/attitude in my heart first, in my mind/thoughts, and in my words/behaviours concerning a response to our pastor. 

WWMS,

I sincerely apologize for my part in this; please forgive me.

I pray that the Lord will give you wisdom and understanding in how to handle your current situation.

56 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

 When did you become an English professor ?

I never claimed to be one; however, my English Literature professor often used my papers as examples for the other students.

Now...

Which word is correctly interpreted?

17 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

Either

So...

Which one is interpreted correctly?

17 minutes ago, robycop3 said:

Not when it comes to telling the truth

So...

You're basically saying that God...

...who puts more importance on his word than his very name...and warns against adding to or taking away from his word...

...doesn't mind if his word is different in different versions.

Why are you here?

12 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  A moderator told me not to discuss the KJVO myth here, so I won't, but let me say that "by" indicates the person or agent doing something, while "trrough" can indicate the person or agent  successfully completing a project or objective, I. E. "the team  pulled out a victory THROUGH the quarterback's accurate passing." Just a matter of semantics.

So...

...which word is correct?

6 hours ago, robycop3 said:

 the KJVO myth

You just can't help yourself, can you?

1 hour ago, Jim_Alaska said:

This is probably not something that many like, or will even eat; but I made breaded and fried chicken livers. Broccoli florets as a veggie. I like all liver, but am really partial to chicken liver.

I've eaten both chicken and beef liver. I like them both, but I prefer chicken livers and could eat it all day long!

I also like chicken gizzards! 

20 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

So, what Biblical error do you come across often that just drives you nuts?

All of them... 

On 3/28/2020 at 4:59 PM, PastorMatt said:

Did I miss something?

No sir...nothing was worth seeing here.

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On 3/21/2020 at 6:52 PM, weary warrior said:

No, it doesnt. God's word tells us what Eve said that God said. The 2 are not the same. We have record all through scripture of things people are saying that God said, or did, that wasnt true. 

14 hours ago, robycop3 said:

 Not ACTUALLY. We only have what EVE said to Satan.

If Eve lied, then there was sin before God's word attests that she sinned...

That's what this entire thread is about...because I had always heard what both of you gentlemen have said. 

We only have a small minute (as in miniscule) portion of what the Bible records as to what God told Adam and Eve before they fell. So to say that Eve lied is adding to God's word (in my opinion)...when God's word never denounces Eve for lying.

...but that's my view.

7 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  I don't believe the KJV  text should be changed at all. it should be the 1611 edition, as that was the original one, and all its makers are long-dead, freezing their work in time.

  And I'd like to see the translators' preface, "To The Reader" included, as well as the Apocrypha placed between the Testaments, as the AV 1611 has.

Why?

7 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  We don't know exactly what God said to Eve. But we know God punished her for DISOBEYING it, not altering it. It was ole Sneaky Snake who flat-out lied & contradicted it by telling Eve she would NOT die from eating the fruit.

We do know, because God's word tells us (through Eve's testimony) of what he said.

8 hours ago, robycop3 said:

  I was only telling the truth. In this world, "attractive" people get more respect & attention than those who are not-so-attractive. And I have absolutely NO respect for the LDS  cult, nor for the SDA cult. They're false religions leading people to condemnation.

If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

On 2/22/2020 at 1:31 AM, TomB said:

To answer no nicolatains, endure means to outlast and stay strong through the tribulation and the hour of temptation.  Don’t give in to the worlds demands.  He will reward your faithfulness. 

I can see that you and I disagree. I agree with part of you definition. Endure means to suffer; to last, or remain.

So...the Lord is referring to those who last (or remain) through the suffering of the Tribulation period. In other words...those who physically survive it.

Who are "those" people? Well, according to the context of the verse of scripture in question (taking into account the surrounding verses)...it's talking about the remnant of the nation of Israel. After all, just a few verses later, the Lord said to pray ye that your flight be not in the winter; neither on the sabbath day. Why would a Gentile believer be concerned over whether they had to flee on the sabbath?

Now...

What does "saved" mean? In God's word, do the words "save" or "saved" always refer to spiritual salvation? Let's look...
 

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Matthew 8:25

And his disciples came to him, and awoke him, saying, Lord, save us: we perish.

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Matthew 14:30

But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.

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Matthew 24:22

And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

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Matthew 27:49

The rest said, Let be, let us see whether Elias will come to save him.

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Mark 15:30-31

30 Save thyself, and come down from the cross.

31 Likewise also the chief priests mocking said among themselves with the scribes, He saved others; himself he cannot save.

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Luke 1:71

That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

There are many more, but that's a good verse to end this on...that we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us:

The verse in question is referring to the remnant of the Jews who will survive until the end of Tribulation period (those who endure), and as the book of Zechariah points out, they will be saved from sure and certain destruction when the Lord returns at the end of the Tribulation period.

Today, when we think of the words "save" or "saved", our mind immediately goes to the thought of spiritual salvation; however, that's not what it's always referring to. It can also mean "physical" salvation from harm. It can also mean "except"...such as...
 

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Luke 4:26

But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.

 

When comparing scripture with scripture, the verse in question is talking about those (of the nation of Israel) who have lasted (endured) throughout the sufferings of the Tribulation period. Don't forget, many of them will flee to the mountains and be cared for...they won't "have to stay strong through the hour of temptation". Those Jews (who last...or endure...until the end will be physically saved from sure destruction when the Lord Jesus Christ returns in all of his glory and destroys those who would destroy them.

I would love to come to Australia and have the opportunity to serve the Lord...that's one of my personal dreams!

By the way...I already have personal and first-hand knowledge of Emus (long story)!

However, my wife is afraid that one of those evil Australian spiders will bite her (or one of us)...so she would rather us move to Florida...where alligators and boa constrictors help themselves to people's backyards and swimming pools.  

4 hours ago, TomB said:

To answer no nicolatains, endure means to outlast and stay strong through the tribulation and the hour of temptation.  Don’t give in to the worlds demands.  He will reward your faithfulness. 

HI Tom. Thank you for answering.

If I may ask (in regard to the same verse), what does "saved" mean?

1 hour ago, TomB said:

 He that shall endure unto the end the same shall be saved.  

Hello.

Endure. What does that word mean?

Folks, let's not forget that Totoosart is in China with no church to attend. Let's not forget his nationality. Let's not forget that he's doing the best that he can under those circumstances. He has reached out for help here time and time again. 

When I read some of the responses to him, it broke my heart. Like him, I read them as attacks on him instead of trying to help him.

I don't know him personally, nor do I know his heart...nor do I agree with his reasoning regarding Satan. However, none of us knew it all when we were first saved. I know that I didn't.

Let's not be so quick to attack.

Jordan, is that how you responded to the Muslims in Africa? I watched your video. I don't think they would have been so welcoming to you had you responded to them like you have here.

How about helping him instead of attacking him when he doesn't respond perfectly the first time or two.

Just my two cents for what it's worth...which isn't much.