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    2Tim215 reacted to Brother Rick in 95 Theses Against Dispensationalism   
    I don't mind telling people what I believe when they ask, even if I've already said it once before (LINK).

    1. Innocence.
    2. Conscience.
    3. Human Government.
    4. Promise.
    5. Law.
    6. Apostolic Age.
    7. Church Age.
    8. Tribulation.
    9. Millennium.
    10. New Heavens and New Earth.

    I'll add one thing, just in case you asked me this just to turn my answer back around on me, in-house discussions and debates as to the number of dispensations and the manner in which people were saved during these dispensations are irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The point of dispensational study is to recognize that God deals with different people at different times in different manners. Not everyone sees it the same, and it’s not a big deal that they don’t.
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    2Tim215 reacted to HappyChristian in Panetta: Troops in Graphic Video Will be Punished   
    Yes, what those marines did was tasteless. Not criminal, but tasteless. I agree with Allen West:

    "

    “I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu.




    Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors bein


    g killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah. All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill.




    Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq?




    The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment),




    place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their




    Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps




    Hymn without a teleprompter. As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is __."

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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Brother Rick in The Beast Revelation   
    Having read through a few of the posts here, I must agree and disagree. A perfect commentary is impossible to find, a good commentary almost impossible, but a perfect bible however can be found and we all know which one that is. I use the Thompsons chain ref, but even in this one I sometimes find opinions.
    I was once told by a teacher that the best way to use a commentary is to use it for historical information only and then to compare commentaries, and doctrine must be found in the Word. That we must never take the notes of another at face value without using the Word to confirm it, and then if we do not understand it to pray and ask for wisdom until we understand it.
    When I first started my doctrinal studies the Gap theory and the Sin of Eve theory and the bloodline of Satan theory was thrown in my face for the first time in my life. I first thought that my teachers believed this to be true and got a bit (VERY) concerned, but with more study it became clear that what they were trying to teach is that even the best bible scholars can use the Word to come up with anything and that it is our responsibility before God to rightly divide (2Tim2:15). We can not say to God one day that we were taught this or that and place the responsibility on another when the responsibility is clearly the individuals.

    Having not started my christian walk in an IFB church I can categorically state that many "pastors" have no idea how to study the bible nor how to rightly divide and are not always the right person to ask. Many a baptist pastor has told me that the bible has errors - here is SA they are taught that the rapture is unbiblical, that we are now living in the kingdom of God.

    Those who use bibles with notes and individuals who use the study bibles of supposedly more informed people without confirming with the Word and diligent study are IMHO lazy or have not been taught how to rightly divide. And that is why I believe we have so many factions in the church today that can not agree on anything.

    In the end we are all individually responsible before God for how we study and interpret His Word, regardless of what version, whose study bible, what church we are in and who we listen to. And i think that when the individual christian realizes this, there own personal walk with God and His Word improves.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Covenanter in The Beast Revelation   
    Having read through a few of the posts here, I must agree and disagree. A perfect commentary is impossible to find, a good commentary almost impossible, but a perfect bible however can be found and we all know which one that is. I use the Thompsons chain ref, but even in this one I sometimes find opinions.
    I was once told by a teacher that the best way to use a commentary is to use it for historical information only and then to compare commentaries, and doctrine must be found in the Word. That we must never take the notes of another at face value without using the Word to confirm it, and then if we do not understand it to pray and ask for wisdom until we understand it.
    When I first started my doctrinal studies the Gap theory and the Sin of Eve theory and the bloodline of Satan theory was thrown in my face for the first time in my life. I first thought that my teachers believed this to be true and got a bit (VERY) concerned, but with more study it became clear that what they were trying to teach is that even the best bible scholars can use the Word to come up with anything and that it is our responsibility before God to rightly divide (2Tim2:15). We can not say to God one day that we were taught this or that and place the responsibility on another when the responsibility is clearly the individuals.

    Having not started my christian walk in an IFB church I can categorically state that many "pastors" have no idea how to study the bible nor how to rightly divide and are not always the right person to ask. Many a baptist pastor has told me that the bible has errors - here is SA they are taught that the rapture is unbiblical, that we are now living in the kingdom of God.

    Those who use bibles with notes and individuals who use the study bibles of supposedly more informed people without confirming with the Word and diligent study are IMHO lazy or have not been taught how to rightly divide. And that is why I believe we have so many factions in the church today that can not agree on anything.

    In the end we are all individually responsible before God for how we study and interpret His Word, regardless of what version, whose study bible, what church we are in and who we listen to. And i think that when the individual christian realizes this, there own personal walk with God and His Word improves.
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    2Tim215 reacted to JerryNumbers in Taking aspirin a day, increased risk for blindness   
    Sometimes a doctor will tell someone they have cancer, & all is not well, yet it turns out all is well. Them sometime the doctor will tell their patient all is well & its not & they are soon dead.

    My main gripe against doctors, if the good doctor messes up, they get paid, them get paid again to straighten things out, that is if you survive the mess up, if you don't they will take it from your family.

    But the good mechanic that works on your car, and it messes up, generally he will redo it with no new charges.
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    2Tim215 reacted to heartstrings in The sheep and the goats   
    Ezekiel 34: 17And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
    18Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have eaten up the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pastures? and to have drunk of the deep waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
    19And as for my flock, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet; and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
    20Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle.
    21Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
    22Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.

    Having lived on a farm all of my life, I have noticed horses, cattle, and goats do these very things many many times. The stronger horses will nip and kick at the weaker ones, cattle and goats, too, shove, and butt the smaller and weaker ones. Chickens use their beaks and, I suppose, this is where we get the phrase "the pecking order". Well, I learned that sheep are no different. When I feed mine, there is pushing, shoving and butting going on to the extent that, if I as a shepherd never intervened, the weaker ones will become weaker and eventually starve. The ram is especially belligerent but, sometimes the females even attack and chase the weaker ones. Jesus is our Good and Great Shepherd, and we, as Christians, are called His sheep. I can't help but wonder how much our behavior is like my sheep. How many of us do like my sheep by looking out for #1 and shoving that weaker brother or sister with an unkind remark, personal attack, careless disregard, selfish act, or even slander? The Bible even says that the words of a talebearer are as wounds...

    I noticed also that when I pour feed into the trough, and one of the sheep steps in it, they avoid eating that spot and sometimes leave the trough altogether, even though they are still hungry. . How many of us are enjoying the benefits of God's blessings, but fouling the pasture and the water for everyone else by treading over the word of God with our careless lifestyle? There's probably much more to learn than I can ponder right now.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Jeremy_Edholm in Prayer needed for our church   
    Praying
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    2Tim215 reacted to bibletotingunslinger in Mama's Bible   
    MAMA'S BIBLE

    Four brothers left home for college, and they became successful doctors
    and lawyers.

    One evening, they chatted after having dinner together. They
    discussed the 95th birthday gifts they were able to give their elderly mother who moved
    to Florida .

    The first said, "You know I had a big house built for Mama."

    The second said, "And I had a large theater built in the house."

    The third said, "And I had my Mercedes dealer deliver an SL600 to her."

    The fourth said, "You know how Mama loved reading the Bible and you know
    she can't read anymore because she can't see very well. I met this
    preacher who told me about a parrot who could recite the entire Bible. It took
    ten preachers almost 8 years to teach him. I had to pledge to contribute
    $50,000 a year for five years to the church, but it was worth it.
    Mama only has to name the chapter and verse, and the parrot will recite it."

    The other brothers were impressed. After the celebration Mama sent out
    her "Thank You" notes.

    She wrote: Milton , the house you built is so huge that I live in only one
    room, but I have to clean the whole house. Thanks anyway."

    "Marvin, I am too old to travel. I stay home; I have my groceries
    delivered, so I never use the Mercedes. The thought was good. Thanks."

    "Michael, you gave me an expensive theater with Dolby sound and it can
    hold 50 people, but all of my friends are dead, I've lost my hearing,
    and I'm nearly blind. I'll never use it. Thank you for the gesture just the
    same."

    "Dearest Melvin, you were the only son to have the good sense to give
    a little thought to your gift. The chicken was delicious. Thank you so much."

    Love, Mama
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    2Tim215 reacted to Brother Rick in Suicide and salvation?   
    Thank you for posting this. It shows that you do not believe in eternal security or salvation by grace. You may profess to, you may even think you do - but you don't. If nothing else, you don't understand salvation by grace or eternal security, and I know you're too stubborn to listen no matter how many people may try to explain it to you.

    By taking this stand on a man who appears to be a Christian his whole life but goes to Hell because of dying after one act of adultery, you must also concede that if a person dies after committing any of the following sins they too must go to Hell because they died in that particular sin:

    Rev. 21:8, "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

    1. Fearful. If a person dies scared they go to Hell, they were never saved to begin with.

    2. Unbelieving. If someone dies doubting God, they go to Hell.

    3. Abominable. Someone who is morally repugnant. Of course you'd go with this. The question is, what makes a person "morally repugnant?" You could assign anything to that.

    4. Murderers. This would include suicide, murder of another, or unwarranted anger in your heart towards another person according to Jesus.

    5. Whoremongers. This is fornication, adultery, prostitution... and porn according to Jesus. If a Christian man dies after looking upon a woman to lust after her, be it a magazine or a billboard, according to your system of 'grace' he was never saved and must go to Hell.

    6. Sorcerers. According to Romans 1:32 you could make the argument that if someone died after watching Harry Potter they'd go to Hell. That, honestly, wouldn't surprise me if it came from you.

    7. Idolaters. If a Christian puts anything in the place of God, be it in worship or esteem it more important (like a job, money, or reputation), then they go to Hell when they die.

    8. Liars. If you lie and die you fry, is that it?

    In fact, according to I John 3:8 if you sin at all you will go to Hell!

    I John 3:8, "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."

    So I made a mistake and I'd like to apologize to all my Calvinist friends on this forum. You are not a Calvinist; you are a Catholic for all practical purposes. You may not pray the rosary, eat the cracker, and confess your sins to a man - but on a practical level you believe the underlying foundation doctrine of all Catholics.

    You believe in grace (so do the Catholics!), but that someone must die in a "state of grace." They must die with all of their sins currently confessed or they go to Hell. You attempt to look like a Baptist by claiming that they were "never saved to begin with," but you've already stated that even if a person has shown evidence of salvation but dies after committing just one of the above sins they will go to Hell. In other words, no one can really be sure of their salvation (A major Catholic teaching!) because what if I die after doubting God about my finances, or what if I die after bailing out on church (In the Catholic world this would be missing mass!) for whatever reason and therefore die in a state of idolatry? If I lie and then die I will fry? How can anyone be sure they will go to Heaven under what you believe?!?!?!?!?!

    I think everyone here understands that you are way off on this thing. But can I ask you a couple of questions:

    1. Do you understand the doctrine of the two natures? The old nature which makes you sin after you are saved is not eradicated once you are saved. You do understand that, don't you?

    2. Do you understand that even though a Christian sins all the time (I John 1:8-10), that on a spiritual level (that is when it comes to whether or not he'll go to Heaven or Hell) that Christian never sins again for the rest of his life? That's right, on an earthly, physical, immediate level we sin all the time, but on a spiritual and eternal level we never sin again after we are saved? Look at this verse:

    I John 3:9, "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God."

    That verse clearly states that a child of God doesn't sin, and that he can't sin. As in he doesn't have the ability to sin. Once a person is saved, on an eternal level God never sees another sin, ever again.

    It reminds me of this verse:

    Numbers 23:21, "He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the LORD his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them."

    Yes, there are consequences to sin and living in an unrepentant lifestyle - but our eternal destiny is based upon Jesus Christ and what He did for us on Calvary. Not on ourselves. This completely wipes out your entire argument in one fell swoop because we as Christians are not eternally accountable for our actions, as in when it comes to our eternal and final destination. You will reject this because, being a normal human being that you are, you reject what real grace is. Grace is something you don't deserve and couldn't ever possibly hope to earn.

    That's real grace.
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    2Tim215 reacted to JerryNumbers in Does our appearance for Christ make a difference?   
    I'm not speaking about traditions of man, I'm not speaking about my preference, I'm point to what the Bible says, the Bible is clear, for a man to have long hair, it is a shame.

    And I feel sure God would have not inspired 1 Corinthians 11:14 to be written as it is & had it included in the Bible if He did not mean it, if it was not a shame for a man to have long hair.

    Sad, very sad, that many people claim to follow Christ, yet disobey His Word picking out verses from the Bible and claim we are not suppose to take a stand for them.


    Remember:

    2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
    2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    All Scriptures is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    Picking & choosing is not an option, not if you want to trust & obey, & to follow Jesus.
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    2Tim215 reacted to HappyChristian in Does our appearance for Christ make a difference?   
    kob, I just wanted to point something out to you re: the Nazarite vow: Part of the vow was, indeed, that the hair would not be cut. But that was actually time-sensitive. Nazarites took the vow as a vow of separation for a certain period of time (in Samson's, Samuel's, and John's cases, they were called to be life-long Nazarites from the womb). Once the vow was complete, the person who vowed was to come to the priest, have their head shaved and then burned. Man or woman. So, here we have a conundrum. Men who took the vow were to let their hair grow. Women who took the vow were to have their heads shaved at the completion of the vow. In both cases, it was a shame, or humiliation (or humbling).

    2Tim, where do you get the idea that men's hair in Jesus' day was shoulder length? Busts of that time period show us that men's hair was, in actual fact, above the ear.

    As far as the point about the lion and the lioness, in the animal world, we see that the male is always "prettier" than the female. It doesn't happen to be so (or, at least, it's not the norm) for humans.

    As to the comment that we are to judge by doctrine and not appearance...while somewhat true, it is not always so that we do. in fact, God Himself tells us that man looks on the outward appearance. Yes, the teaching in that verse is that, in the modern vernacular, you "can't judge a book by its cover." However, there are 2 things about that: 1. there are times when, yes, you can judge a book by its cover (if there's a naked body on the cover, it's a safe bet that's a book we don't want to be reading...), and, 2. The fact remains that we do indeed look on the outward, so it is important that our outward displays what we believe internally. And it is a fact that what we believe internally will indeed be seen on the outside....
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from 1Timothy115 in Kentucky church bans interracial marriage   
    Is it right to show respect to one who does not show respect to saved believers by denying them the same rights just because of the color of their skin? Being South African I have seen the ugly side of both coins and I have also seen American IFB missionaries in MY country do the same because they hold the same beliefs as Bro Smith and others. All I know is this:

    Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

    And this

    1Co 7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
    1Co 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
    1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

    And this

    Eph 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

    God sees the color red, not the color black - He sees the blood of Christ not a mans skin.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Covenanter in Kentucky church bans interracial marriage   
    Is it right to show respect to one who does not show respect to saved believers by denying them the same rights just because of the color of their skin? Being South African I have seen the ugly side of both coins and I have also seen American IFB missionaries in MY country do the same because they hold the same beliefs as Bro Smith and others. All I know is this:

    Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

    And this

    1Co 7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather.
    1Co 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant.
    1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men.

    And this

    Eph 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.

    God sees the color red, not the color black - He sees the blood of Christ not a mans skin.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Brother Rick in Calvinism on the March   
    Not in the slightest, was trying to imply the the futility and painfully childish self righteousness of getting upset because you said it. The things people will pick on sometimes leaves me astonished. I think that there are far more important things to be "offended" over, but then, you did cause offense and you did apologize so - my apologies if you misunderstood me.
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    2Tim215 reacted to John81 in A purely political point of view   
    Most professing Christians in America don't take their profession seriously. Even among those who show evidence of actually being born again there is the problem of not giving their all to Christ. For many, so much of what they do and say is a "minor" matter or they seem to think it has nothing to do with their Christianity. They see nothing wrong with going to a bar and grill for the food, of using words and phrases that demean or belittle Christ and Christianity, wearing immodest clothes, fitting in with the worldly crowd, etc.

    If we are unwilling to work on personal revival in our own lives, setting our own hearts and lives right with God, how can we ever expect the nation to do what is right?

    With so few Christians actually living for Christ so they are salt and light where they are and with so many of the "soul winners" being of the "1-2-3, pray after me" variety, is it any wonder Christianity no longer has the impact upon America it once did?
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    2Tim215 reacted to Covenanter in Calvinism on the March   
    The boring factor is the lack of proper engagement, & the resultant proliferation of "standard" refutations of "Calvinism."

    "I heard the Gospel, & responded in repentance & faith. It was a free choice, therefore Calvinism is wrong."

    The truth is that the Holy Spirit moves in our hearts, giving us spiritual life so that we willingly respond. Our will has been changed from rejection to welcoming the Gospel.


    Eph. 2:1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
    2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
    3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
    4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
    5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ,

    The Lord changed me from a self righteous church-goer to a saved sinner, trusting Jesus. I left the Church of England & have been with Reformed baptist churches for over 50 years.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from KJV1611 in Bible Riddle   
    Think I have it. Coupla lines that throw me off. When you give the answer I'd like to see a breakdown line by line. Excellent riddle.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from KJV1611 in Repentance - Biblical Viewpoint   
    That's really sad that you place your trust in man and believe that your brother is in hell. My father was an alcoholic and much more. Was born an alcoholic, lived an alcoholic and died an alcoholic. Yet he was saved. He BELIEVED on the Lord Jesus Christ as his savior. Made a profession of faith. Understood that it was only through the BLOOD that he was saved and not by works. I know that God's Word is true and although he died an addict he now lives in Christ free, saved for all eternity. My faith is in the atoning BLOOD, not the works of man.



    Please take the time to find the post where I said exactly that, you know, the ""live as he pleases" AFTER salvation" bit you love to state but can not quote me stating.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from KJV1611 in Repentance - Biblical Viewpoint   
    No one ever said that a person can live in sin INDEFINITELY without CONSEQUENCES - but we did state that to be saved one need not repent of ones sins before hand in order to be saved. Also, that no one has the right to call someone unsaved if there is no fruit in there live at a particular moment.

    But I see now that for you it is OKAY to BACKSLIDE.

    I must ask - In your Book Of Opinions - how long can a person "backslide" before they can be regarded as unsaved? Is backsliding regarded as less sin than normal sin?
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from KJV1611 in Repentance - Biblical Viewpoint   
    Good one. I wonder how long "holding on" is according to his opinion? Is it one sin? Two? Where does it stop? How long between David's first glimpse and the death of Uriah? one day? one week? one year? How many nights of lust and planning, of holding sin close in his heart? Did he not know he was sinning? Did he really believe it was his right as king to defile another mans wife and then kill him because she was with his child? I think not. In fact, David had become so cold and calculating in his sin and attempt to cover it up, that Nathan had to tell him in a round about way to make him see it. So how long can a saved person sin before a self righteous "christian" has the right to judge him unsaved?
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from KJV1611 in Repentance - Biblical Viewpoint   
    You are of very strong opinions, yet have as yet to quote scripture to back up your statements. I would like to see you go through all the posts and quote KJV1611 where he stated EXACTLY "that it is not God's will for us to turn from sin". I am sure that you will find that you are either twisting his words or quoting wrong. You are very quick to condemn and state everyone else as wrong. Really glad I am not a member of your church. King David may have repented when confronted by Nathan, but did he send his harem home, or remove all the false god temples from the high places that his many "wives" worshiped? Repentance is a continual turning from sin as in Davids case. Maybe, according to your doctrine, David and I can discuss it when I get to Hell one day. Because surely with all his sin he must be there.

    Oh, I forgot. The bible says he was a man after God's own heart, should I ask what you are implying?
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    2Tim215 reacted to heartstrings in Repentance - Biblical Viewpoint   
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    2Tim215 reacted to heartstrings in Repentance - Biblical Viewpoint   
    There are grave consequences for sin, whether you are saved or lost. A saved person is capable of being tempted AND capable of sinning but will be unable to enjoy it for long. The man in 1 Corinthians was living in sin and was about to be "turned over to Satan for the destruction of the body". If you sin and God never chastens you, He says you are "bastards and not sons". There proving that God chastens His own. There would NOT be such verses in the Bible if falling into sin were not possible for the Christian. "KJV1611" is telling it right and some are not being fair to this person.
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    2Tim215 reacted to KJV1611 in Repentance - Biblical Viewpoint   
    By your own words you are putting the change in lifestyle before Faith in Christ. You have it backwards. FIRST one must believe, then God will do the changing. You try to make the sinner change before he accepts CHRIST. You say he must turn from a sinful lifestyle and THEN believe. But the Bible teaches that you BELIEVE and then God will help you turn from your sinful lifestyle!
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    2Tim215 reacted to heartstrings in Repentance - Biblical Viewpoint   
    Repentance is not a prerequisite to salvation.
    It is inseparable from salvation.
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