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    2Tim215 reacted to irishman in Tithing   
    Actually we should all be beyond reproach, but we are not! You should go to your preacher and talk this out instead of posting it on a general forum. that may be worse than a lie! I do believe in tithing, as we hashed this out before several times, but the fact is, and the real problem is, you criticizing the preacher to us. Most of us don't know him, but if we were to meet him, our minds have already been affected against him. I have lied too, sometimes deliberately, but I cannot change that now, I just go on in the grace of God.

    If you don't wish to tithe, keep your money and do whatever you want with it, but when the government demands his portion (more than a tithe) try bucking him for awhile. (The government lies to get your money too, and we are made to suppose that it is beyond reproach)
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from P_Bear141 in Tithing   
    Thers



    There is not a pastor in this world who has not lied, sinned nor will there ever be. Thank God for His grace that supersedes that of disgruntled church members as I am sure if stoning were still allowed there would lie a dead and stoned Pastor in many a church!!
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from 1Timothy115 in Good News Boys And Girls!   
    I know that was your point John, but there's a little ambiguity concerning whether He knew you before you were born or did He SAVE you before you were born? I believe that God knew us before we were born and PROVIDED a way for salvation for all mankind through Jesus before the foundation of the world. But some sadly believe that this provision was only for a few elect and they were SAVED before they were even born, that this "knew" and "saved" are the same thing.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from 1Timothy115 in Good News Boys And Girls!   
    God's saving us from before the foundation of the world has nothing to do with election, foreknowledge, etc - it's because the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world. God's plan to send Jesus was always in effect, before He even created Adam and the world. God is outside of time, you could say He is time, so He moves independently of the time that controls our lives. Jesus was crucified for ALL who will BELIEVE before man was even created.
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    2Tim215 reacted to John81 in Homeschooling Advice?   
    You raise a good point here. No matter how good the material, unless the child can learn well from it, it's not the best for that child.

    We went through a few different things before we found what worked best for our children, and even among our own children they were not the same in these matters!

    Most homeschoolers go through a few different types of material before they find what works best with their children. That's one reason it's important not to put everything into one curriculum right away, but to instead buy just enough to start with so you will be able to see if it works well with your child.

    Many who try homeschooling and give up do so because they got all excited about homeschooling, picked the "best" curriculum and dived in with exceedingly high hopes, only to discover things didn't go as expected. It's so much better to plan ahead that everything won't go as smooth as we hope, that the curriculum we begin with may need to be dumped for something else, either soon or down the line, and to plan to make course corrections along the way.

    Homeschooling is great, but as with all things in life it's filled with the unexpected and we must rely upon the Lord in order for it to work best.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Covenanter in This Is Witchcraft! Why Is This Person Not Banned?   
    I might get flack for this but I believe that this type of thing must be exposed and brought into the "light"

    Sent to me from "Lion of God" today and I wonder if I am the only one who got this?

    Sent Today, 08:53 AM
    I know you love the Lord Jesus so much that you like I, want them who is going to bless the Lord Jesus the most with the blessings they have, so much that this will be acceptable to you as it is with me. So I sent you this so as you would know what happened to you. So you can praise the Lord for it as you see this come to pass.

    Lord Jesus the Christ,
    I petition thee to grant me this request.

    I request that if this person using this screen name "2Tim215" on this web site, loves you more than I. Take all of the curses and all of the afflictions that are on their mind, heart and soul and all their life and put them upon me. Take all the blessings that God your Father has given to me and give them all to this person using the screen name "2Tim215" on this web site and all their love ones.

    But Lord Jesus,

    If I love you more than this person, using this screen name "2Tim215 " on this web site. Take all of the curses and afflictions that are on my mind, heart and soul and all my life and put them on them and their love ones. Take all the blessings that God your Father has given to this person using the screen name "2Tim215" on this web site and all their love ones, and give them all to me.

    amen.

    The Lord giveth the Lord taketh away

    blessed be the name of the Lord.

    amen

    THIS IS WITCHCRAFT!!!!!!!!
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Calvary in God's Need To Be Worshiped?   
    True, but the agenda of "Irresistible Grace", etc will be pushed every time there is an opening. The bible is the whole truth and must be taken in it's entirety, I never believe those who use it to push a single doctrine. And if one reads it in it's entirety one will see that regeneration is always after salvation not before, that's why it's been called "born again"
    Unless we "gestate" for 9 months while He regenerates us and then are born again. But seeing as this is now lets get .
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Calvary in God's Need To Be Worshiped?   
    Has anyone stopped to think it might be as simple as salvation?

    IE:

    Believe = saved
    Worship = humility

    God gives grace to the humble and resists the proud (I know - He's been "resisting" me my whole life! ) To worship Him in any form is to humble ourselves and through consistent and heartfelt worship we die to our sinful nature and give more of ourselves wholly over to Him.

    I was curious to see the comments that would come about and it proves a theory I have - we try to hard to complicate God's Word and forget this:

    1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

    I think we give ourselves too much credit for our "understanding" sound doctrine and forget that Jesus said:

    Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

    Children trust implicitly, explicitly and "worship" those they love - do we?
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    2Tim215 reacted to Steve Schwenke in Concerning Biblical Preaching   
    I have grown weary of those who attack me for being "mean-spirited, unteachable, arrogant, etc." and then insist that I match their own home-made ideals of being "nice, kind, sweet, gentle, compassionate" all the time. I don't find their ideals in the Bible.
    So, in response, I have written this sermon:









    Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of





    Luke 9:51-56



    There is a great misunderstanding of the nature of our God and Saviour, and consequently a great misunderstanding of how we ought to act as Christians, particularly those of us who are in the ministry.

    This passage illustrates two attitudes toward the Lord.
    1. The attitude of the Samaritans – if Jesus Christ did not bow to their demands, they wanted nothing to do with Him.

    2. The over-zealous attitude of the disciples who wanted immediate judgment on the Samaritans for rejecting Jesus Christ.

    I have known many over-zealous street-preachers who have neglected the gospel of Jesus Christ and have taken to being as rude and contemptible as possible.

    On the other hand, we find many people obsessed with these verses:

    Ephesians 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.
    2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

    These people teach that we are always to be kind, gentle, sweet, humble, etc. They have adopted the worldly philosophy of Norman Vincent Peale and Robert Schuler, i.e. “How to win friends and influence people.”

    There certainly is a place for this approach, but it is not universal. It cannot be 100% of the time.

    Parents, are you always, nice, sweet, gentle, loving, and kind to your children?
    NO! Sometimes we must get after them for their disobedience.
    Sometimes we must administer strict discipline to them to teach them that they have erred.

    Therefore, we must seek to find that perfect blend of balance – being sweet, kind, gentle, to the appropriate people at the appropriate times, yet being firm, harsh, mean, even to where we might be accused of being proud and arrogant at the appropriate times and places.

    Too many people listen to the tone of voice, and mistake anger where there is none, and assume arrogance and pride where there is only compassion and concern.

    Consider what I mean by these examples:

    I. Jesus Christ – Matthew 5-7
    notice the contrast in the manner of Jesus Christ’s preaching compared to the Scribes:
    Mt 7:28And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine:
    Mt 7:29 For he taught them as one having authority, and not as the scribes.

    Matthew 19-20-21 – nice, gentle, firm, confident
    Matthew 22 – a little bit more on the offensive
    Matthew 23 – both barrels
    Matthew 24 – teaching the disciples, gentle, nice, sweet, kind, truthful

    Jesus Christ was the perfect man – He always knew how to respond in every circumstance. Sometimes it was gentle, sometimes it was firm, sometimes it was “mean-spirited.” Sometimes He ignored them (John 8). Sometimes He sought to draw them out (Road to Emmaus).
    Three things we can say for certain:
    1. Jesus Christ had the utmost compassion on lost people – Matthew 9:36-38
    2. Jesus Christ was generally patient and gentle with His disciples
    a. Not always – our text, Matthew 16:23, etc.
    3. Jesus Christ had very little time or patience for the self-righteous Pharisees, and rebuked them sharply

    II. Moses
    Numbers 12:3 (Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were upon the face of the earth.)

    He was “nice” all the way up to Exodus 32 – the golden calf
    He was not very “nice” in Numbers 16 (Korah)
    He was not very “nice” in Deut. 28 or 32

    III. Elijah
    a. I Kings 17 – pronounces God’s judgment, but then is kind and compassionate to the widow woman
    b. I Kings 18 – contest on Mt. Carmel
    c. I Kings 21:17ff – Ahab and Nabal
    d. Jesus Christ was mistaken for Elijah
    Mt 16:13¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
    Mt 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets.

    IV. Jeremiah
    a. Preached judgment
    b. Was called a traitor
    c. Had personal confrontations – Hananiah – Jeremiah 28
    d. Was so popular that he was thrown into a well, put into a dungeon, falsely accused, and maligned by the princes. The ruling elite never did accept or believe his preaching, and they all paid the price for it.
    e. He preached against false religion, and named names – Jeremiah 7, Jer. 44

    V. Ezekiel
    a. Preached against false religion – Ezek. 8

    VI. John the Baptist
    a. came in the spirit and power of Elijah
    b. Luke 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
    c. Laid into the Pharisees – Matthew 3


    VII. Paul the apostle
    a. Romans – very straightforward, dogmatic, yet reasonable, gentle, kind
    b. I Corinthians – some places are “nice,” but in some places he is sarcastic, and in other places, very rough – I Cor. 4-5
    c. Galatians
    i.Rebuked Peter to his face – Gal. 2:11
    ii.O foolish Galatians – 3:1
    iii.Am I therefore become your enemy…4:16

    d. Split with Barnabas over Mark
    e. Names the names of the trouble makers – I Timothy 1:20, II Tim. 2:17, 4:14
    f. Exposes false teachers – I Tim. 4:1ff, 6:3ff; II Tim. 4:1ff, Titus 1:10-16

    There is a time and a place for compassion, grace, patience, kindness, gentleness
    There is also a time and a place to name names, expose false teaching, expose false religion, rebuke sin sharply, and boldly proclaim, “Thus saith the Lord.”

    We must have both sides of the sword.

    The great preachers that God has used in yesteryear were not afraid to do this:
    Spurgeon was a great gentleman, but a great preacher
    Billy Sunday
    J. Frank Norris
    Sam Jones
    Mordecai Ham

    Compare that with today’s popular preachers:
    Joel Osteen
    Joyce Meyer
    Rod Parsley
    Benny Hinn
    Kenneth Copeland

    Many of the leading “IFB’s” have adopted this philosophy:

    Never get angry Never name names Never speak against anyone else’s religion Flatter their congregations

    We should never adapt the world’s philosophy when it comes to preaching. What I have attempted to do tonight is give you a Scriptural view of preaching, and demonstrate that too often people go to extremes – either too harsh, or too sweet.

    Proverbs 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.
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    2Tim215 reacted to Steve Schwenke in Concerning Biblical Preaching   
    John, please document where I brought anything up from a personal conversation....specifics, please

    How do I warn people of false religious systems, false prophets, false doctrines without appearing to be harsh.
    How does Elijah's preaching, Jeremiah's preaching (Jer. 7 for instance) and Matthew 23 fit into that system of yours?
    How do we preach against sin without being harsh?
    How do we correct our disobedient children without being "harsh?"
    How does a Pastor (shepherd) run off the wolves (those who seek to destroy the flock) without being "harsh?"

    Nope - playing politics gets us nowhere. We need strong men who will not tolerate sin or evil or division in the churches. He must take a strong stand, even to the point where people will accuse him of being "mean" or "harsh."
    We need preachers who will preach the wrath of God, preach AGAINST sin - loudly and strongly. There is nothing gentle about the wages of sin or about reaping sin.
    So much of the problem in our churches today is that pastors have fallen into this trap of being "gentle" but they never rebuke (II Tim. 4:2!!!! - that one is in the old KJV too, you know!), they never name names, they never preach against false religions, they don't preach against sin. It has all turned into a love fest of pop-psychology - and yes, I mean in our IFB churches. (Not all of them....but many of them are going down that road.)
    The sermons are all "101 ways to sin and feel good about yourself." No standards, no separation, no crucifying the flesh, no hatred for sin, no hatred for evil, no vengeance against the sins that had formerly been destroying you (II Cor. 10:5-6!). Nothing negative - all sweet syrup.
    IN fact, so many "soul-winning" plans jump right over HELL.


    I believe we should follow the pattern given to us by God's preachers in the Bible. I gave you much of the Scripture in my outline - but you have not commented on any of those examples....

    The Balance to II Timothy 2:24 is II Timothy 4:2
    And -by the way - Paul wasn't very "gentle" in II Timothy 2:16-17

    Let's face it - we don't need to be coddled - the world does a good job of coddling us. We need to be rebuked. We are absolutely NOTHING without Christ, and until we get our resurrection bodies, sin still resides in our flesh, and we should make that flesh and sin as uncomfortable as possible in order to allow that new man to shine through. There is absolutely nothing good in us (romans 7:18) and the only good things that ever get done through us is because Jesus Christ DID IT - not us (I Thess 5:24).
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    2Tim215 reacted to heartstrings in Is It Ok To Treat Somneone Like A Dog?   
    Just because Jesus did it?


    Matthew 15: 21Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. 22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 23But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. 24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. 28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. MatthewAnd her daughter was made whole from that very hour.


    Who was she adressing? God. Why do I say that? Because Jesus knew this woman, knew her faith, and knew what she would do after he let her keep BEGGING until He finally implied that she was a dog, and then she admitted she was a dog....he knew all that before she cried out the first time. The point has been made that Jesus, Paul and others were "mean spirited and arrogant". Paul I'm not so sure, but I can promise you that when Jesus says we're dogs, he is not being mean spirited, arrogant, or even sarcastic Arrogance comes from pride, and God has none, ZERO. Jesus is TRUTH. When he says we're as dog, we're a dog, just a fact. Jesus, the KING of Glory, KNEW how great this woman's faith was and how tenacious about it she would be LONG before she uttered the first cry. He didn
    t just finally "give in". he did it all on purpose. And through it all, those disciples got to MARVEL at her faith and the POWER of God that followed. None of this gives any of us the right to be rude or call people names. After all God can call us a FOOL to our face if He wants to....but WE better not do it to anyone.
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    2Tim215 reacted to John81 in Is It Ok To Treat Somneone Like A Dog?   
    Good points! It's also important to realize Jesus was using the talk of dogs in an illustrative manner which this woman and those around were familiar with. Jesus wasn't actually calling this woman a dog in the manner it would be if we were to call someone a dog today.

    Of course, in America, there are certain situation where if a person is called a dog, they actually take it as a compliment.

    Good post! Also I would say, much needed. There seems to a be a growing movement among some to think it's okay to speak to others in a rude and obnoxious manner. They try to say Jesus did this but that's not what Jesus did. It's also often missed that the "harshest" words Jesus used were aimed at the religious leaders of the day, which should have known the Scripture, recognized who Jesus was and welcomed Him. Jesus was not harsh in His speach to average folks and there is plenty of admonition to us in the New Testament showing that we shouldn't be either.
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    2Tim215 reacted to heartstrings in Are You A Connoisseur?   
    Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise. Psalm 33:3

    Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. Ecclesiastes 9:10

    Seest thou a man diligent in his business? he shall stand before kings; he shall not stand before mean men. Proverbs 22:29

    He also that is slothful in his work is brother to him that is a great waster. Proverbs 18:9

    And whatsoever ye do, do it heartily, as to the Lord, and not unto men; Colossians 3:23


    While we have to live in this world we all have worldly needs for worldly goods and services. It is just as much testimony to do an honest days work, and do your very best as it is to "witness" to people. Because people are watching, and they notice if you are a careless, lazy slacker who takes shortcuts or shortchanges them on quality, service and time. They also notice when you do right. It's part of "letting your light shine". I believe that it doesn't matter if you are a musician, plumber, electrician, garbage man, or preacher; you should strive diligently to be the VERY BEST you can possibly be at what you do. It honors God..
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    2Tim215 reacted to HappyChristian in They Which Preach the Gospel...   
    No scripture that says it is the responsibility of the pastor to preach the Gospel? Well, Paul is often cited in interesting ways in threads like these, so I'll cite him here. Let's check 2 Timothy chapter 4. Timothy was a pastor. And Paul, under inspiration of the Holy Spirit, wrote:
    "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ...Preach the WORD...do the work of an evangelist." Last I checked, the Gospel is part of the Word. And if only evangelists are to preach the Gospel, that flies in the face of what Paul told Timothy: obviously pastors are to do the work of evangelists...So,yes, pastors have the responsibility to, among other things, preach the Gospel.

    Scripture provided.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Tabitha41 in Shame For A Woman To Speak In Church.   
    I think it's also and maybe only, a practical reason. Men are SUPPOSED to be logical while woman are more emotional. Though biblical spirituality has emotion it is good to note that the majority of God's Word is practical and sound doctrine is always practical. Practicality and logic go hand in hand and anyone making sound spiritual (biblical) decisions in any leadership role needs logic and practicality. This includes teaching God's Word. Leadership in any form can never be emotional. Emotional decisions are inevitably bad decisions (not always, but mostly). If one looks at the modern charismatic or denominational churches where woman lead one will always see a higher emotional content rather than a practical and logical biblical one. In this day and age where woman are regarded as equal in the home, the church and the work place we see "harder" woman taking on the roles of men.
    My wife is a nurse and as an artist I work from home - more often than not she brings in far more than I do and it is often commented upon by certain family members that I am the "wife" as these days "stay at home dads" are accepted as the norm and with job cuts, etc it is sadly often the case that men have to stay at home. Yet I am the leader of our household. I manage the finances, etc but we share all decision making though I have final say and I am blessed with a wife that very seldom says "I told you so!"
    I say all this because a lot of what Paul said concerning woman has been abused by men for selfish reasons and when we put aside our pride, self and personal feelings we will see that men and woman are equal in God's eyes and are just DIFFERENT with different roles to play, neither one less or inferior to the other. Men are just as prone to make emotional decisions as woman are - usually in anger and always in pride, men are just not supposed to be RULED by emotions as woman can be - we are the father, they the mother. We the law giver, they the care giver (and by law I mean spiritual law, not chauvinistic law) and the list goes on.
    It's when we reverse these roles that problems arise.
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    2Tim215 reacted to Calvary in Paycheck for fulltime worker? Is it Biblical?   
    One good thing that comes form a long and twisted debate over a biblical topic is that many sides are heard. Pro, con, a few rabbit trails. My purpose is not to convince this heretic he is wrong, but to convince others that he is wrong in order to turn them away from a false teacher. This man is unrepentent when he is found to be a liar. In truth I could care less if he wanted to deprive a church of their duty to the minister. That is a personal choice. My desire is to teach the whole counsle of the word of God, not just snippets and out of context verses to those that seek God's leading in serving Him as a full time vocation. Dear brother or sister in Christ, care not for the railings of this fool who cares nothing for truth. If the Lord has called you, He has a great plan to provide for you. It's called the local church. He has established clearly in His word that local churches will and should colabor with you in your calling. Fear not! His provision is timely and always in abundance. He has said you are worth DOUBLE HONOR and He will take care of your needs. Though, sadly, he will probably not be able to use this prattling fool who has deemed any pastor who recieves a stipend as a beggar.

    This thread which I thjink Ill lock now stands as a treatise to any one interested about what the BIble says over the provision and care of the full time worker.

    Thank you all for a good and lively debate, thank you to those who contributed sound and logical scriptural arguements along the way. Iron sharpens iron and I am glad that we had this discussion.

    SFIC, I am ashamed of you and for you as you would deny the brethren their due and like Judas who held the bag, refused to allow the Lord's generosity be seen as a blessing.

    God bless,
    Calvary
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Calvary in Paycheck for fulltime worker? Is it Biblical?   
    Act 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.
    Act 20:33 I have coveted no man's silver, or gold, or apparel.
    Act 20:34 Yea, ye yourselves know, that these hands have ministered unto my necessities, and to them that were with me.
    Act 20:35 I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

    No he was not saying that. Right through the chapter he speaks of all he has done and the sacrifices he has made for the gospel and the church. He then tells them that he has COVETED no mans silver, gold etc. He then tells them that THEY THEMSELVES are aware that he has supported himself AND THOSE WITH HIM, with his own hands. What, if he was COMMANDING all who serve the Lord through preaching why did he support those with him and they did no work? This is not a command - this is Paul shaming them through his own example, that as he was able to support those with him so should they through their labors support the weak. Not all were gifted with the ability or with the skill of a trade to support themselves. Paul then leaves them with a reminder of the Words of Jesus, which is always a command - "it's more blessed to give than receive" - this is the POINT of the whole passage here - that they should support those that minister unto them if they are unable to support themselves.

    You are right concerning faith and that it is God who supplies all our needs - but you make God and His Word a liar by stating that God does not want the church supporting His servants. Once again you have taken out of context and twisted to suit your own agenda and doctrine. I pray for the ignorant that have been mislead by you!!
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Kitagrl in Paycheck for fulltime worker? Is it Biblical?   
    We are now on 107 posts and still going nowhere. Lets get all churches to stop paying the Pastors, the missionaries, etc and make them all go out and get jobs. At least it will kill the prosperity preachers, boost the economy - oh wait - the economy is down the creek without a paddle, so these pastors won't even get work and if they do they'll be taking our jobs!

    Lets get them to work 5/6 days a week, do visitations after work, prepare sermons when they finish visitations and mid week meetings and then preach on Sunday and during all this WORK let them ignore their families and then start over on Monday - a few months of this and most pastors will be chewing their wrists, giving up preaching all together or end up divorced, I say most except for the heroes of the faith like SFIC and Paul, because the rest of us lying thieving BEGGARS who don't deserve to be called servants of Christ.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Calvary in Paycheck for fulltime worker? Is it Biblical?   
    Wasn't arguing, just making facetious remarks. Learn't long ago that there is no point arguing with a zealot.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from teylacarter91 in Leaving.   
    I stand on what I wrote earlier. I also emphatically state that any believer that is "hostile" in their attitude regarding the Word of God is a believer to steer clear of. I was taught in a staunch IFB bible college that teaches KJV only that any person with an agenda that does not include the ENTIRE Word of God is a cultist and many IFB believers take a doctrine and turn it into a cult where the doctrine becomes more important than everything else in the bible. The bible is the WHOLE truth and there are many doctrines in the bible that make up the whole, not just one or two that appeal to a individuals personal tastes.

    Regarding your MIL and her Pastor - you alone will stand before Christ one day and they will not be there holding your hand and you can not point a finger in accusation So stand fast to what you believe until God shows you otherwise, but be ready to humble yourself when He does and ignore the "I told you so's" that always come out of the mouths of proud baptists and until then remember Rom 12: 19-21

    Rom 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.
    Rom 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
    Rom 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

    Almost the same in either version

    19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:
    “If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
    if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
    In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”
    21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Kitagrl in Paycheck for fulltime worker? Is it Biblical?   
    It makes all the difference. It substantiates your claims and if they "did not have to beg" then could only have come from God or the world. If from God then why not give Him the Glory He deserves. This is like saying "I am Saved" but when asked how and by whom stating "What difference does it make how? The fact is, I am and you are not". I agree with Kitagirl - PLEASE SHARE!
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from rancher824 in Leaving.   
    I see in your Bio you state:

    came here looking for answers, not to be slammed down for daring to use a Bible other than King James.

    Remember that our growth is directly effected by the offense we take and hold onto. I also have a very strong aversion to many of the attitudes presented on this forum concerning some IFB doctrinal points, but as John stated:



    If the Lord has not yet convicted you in your heart concerning the Bible you use then keep on using it!!! No one can force a doctrinal point on you and you can not judge a group by the attitudes and actions of a few individuals. I myself used a NKJV (they hate this one just as much) for years in a staunch IFB church and refused to budge until through study and heart felt conviction I was convinced otherwise. Many IFB's use there "separatism" and "doctrinal megalomania" as a crutch to support some very way off doctrines based on personal preference. Please do not use these to judge the rest of us and allow your heart to soften and your skin to thicken - you need very thick skin here sometimes as many like to and to and many of us just take it with a and allow God to do His thing. So I would hang around and learn a thing or two - always testing it with the Word and just ignore the die hards that could learn a thing or two about charity and compassion. And remember this too, the written word can seem a lot harder than a friendly face and spoken voice - some come across hard in their writing but aren't all that bad in person.

    God Bless and trust in the Lord and He will guide you.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Salyan in Leaving.   
    I see in your Bio you state:

    came here looking for answers, not to be slammed down for daring to use a Bible other than King James.

    Remember that our growth is directly effected by the offense we take and hold onto. I also have a very strong aversion to many of the attitudes presented on this forum concerning some IFB doctrinal points, but as John stated:



    If the Lord has not yet convicted you in your heart concerning the Bible you use then keep on using it!!! No one can force a doctrinal point on you and you can not judge a group by the attitudes and actions of a few individuals. I myself used a NKJV (they hate this one just as much) for years in a staunch IFB church and refused to budge until through study and heart felt conviction I was convinced otherwise. Many IFB's use there "separatism" and "doctrinal megalomania" as a crutch to support some very way off doctrines based on personal preference. Please do not use these to judge the rest of us and allow your heart to soften and your skin to thicken - you need very thick skin here sometimes as many like to and to and many of us just take it with a and allow God to do His thing. So I would hang around and learn a thing or two - always testing it with the Word and just ignore the die hards that could learn a thing or two about charity and compassion. And remember this too, the written word can seem a lot harder than a friendly face and spoken voice - some come across hard in their writing but aren't all that bad in person.

    God Bless and trust in the Lord and He will guide you.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from teylacarter91 in Leaving.   
    I see in your Bio you state:

    came here looking for answers, not to be slammed down for daring to use a Bible other than King James.

    Remember that our growth is directly effected by the offense we take and hold onto. I also have a very strong aversion to many of the attitudes presented on this forum concerning some IFB doctrinal points, but as John stated:



    If the Lord has not yet convicted you in your heart concerning the Bible you use then keep on using it!!! No one can force a doctrinal point on you and you can not judge a group by the attitudes and actions of a few individuals. I myself used a NKJV (they hate this one just as much) for years in a staunch IFB church and refused to budge until through study and heart felt conviction I was convinced otherwise. Many IFB's use there "separatism" and "doctrinal megalomania" as a crutch to support some very way off doctrines based on personal preference. Please do not use these to judge the rest of us and allow your heart to soften and your skin to thicken - you need very thick skin here sometimes as many like to and to and many of us just take it with a and allow God to do His thing. So I would hang around and learn a thing or two - always testing it with the Word and just ignore the die hards that could learn a thing or two about charity and compassion. And remember this too, the written word can seem a lot harder than a friendly face and spoken voice - some come across hard in their writing but aren't all that bad in person.

    God Bless and trust in the Lord and He will guide you.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Covenanter in Gonna be a daddy   
    After 14 yrs of marriage I would have thought that I was past the danger, but noooooo, God had other plans (thanks for letting me know God!), So I was woken up at 2 this morning with "you are going to be a daddy" well, no sleep after that! (and it's her birthday day!!!) So we need all the prayers I can get now. Business needs to bring in a reliable income now or a good job would be on top of that list being the pragmatic person I am.

    Thanks All
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