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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Scott Lyons in Is it possible to renounce salvation?   
    There is no reason for me to "calm down" when I am already calm. This is not the first time that I have seen this trend here nor I am sure the last. I stand by what I said and will every time I see this and I disagree with your statement - we will, can and are able to FULLY reject Christ even though saved and sealed with His Blood - the difference is HE will never reject us. Maybe we should stop looking to see if everyone else's profession of faith is REAL and look to our own.

    Php 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    So in line with the thread - Yes we can renounce our salvation, but this in no way diminishes, takes away or nullifies our salvation as it from God and not from us! It's like an unbeliever trying to sell his soul to the devil - ridiculous!!!! The devil already owns their souls (Mat 12:30).
    We are bought and paid for with a price -

    1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?
    1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

    These very verses imply that they did not glorify God and had to be chastised into doing so - all sin is the same in God's eyes so why would "renouncing" be any different? We are bought for and are not our own and even if we did renounce God we can not give up what is not ours to give. So again, yes we can in the emptiness and futility of our own strength but our "renunciation" means nothing against the Grace of Christ.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    Listened to some of your sermons yesterday. Such a blessing. Thank you
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Alan in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    Thanks Alan, appreciate it. I have never heard of any of these that you have mentioned. Will definitely look into these. My home church is 1000 kms away so and my wife and I are probably the only KJB believers in our town. Though I tell the truth to anyone who will listen none do these days
    Appreciate your candor Brother Scott
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    2Tim215 reacted to Alan in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    1. Pastor Ron Thomas, Rodges Baptist Church, Garland, TX, is a larger church that  love the Lord and has stayed true to the faith once delivered to the saints. They are able to have an extensive website with an extensive  audio and YouTube ministry to help those  who desire to listen to a good ministry over the internet.
    Here is the link to their media ministry: http://www.rodgersbaptist.net/media/
    2. The "Gospel Web," created by missionary James Dearmore, is a more extensive ministry with written articles concerning many different subjects, sermons, and issues. He also has a link to other fine IFB churches and ministries. 
    Here is the link to the Gospel Web: http://www.gospelweb.net/mainindex.htm
    As brother John Young and Old Fashioned Preacher mentioned, there are a lot of fine IFB churches still in America today. So often they are in the limelight. In fact, even some of the bigger ones like Rodgers Baptist Chruch are relatively unknown due to the fact they have a good spirit about their ministry, they do not create controversial issues to attract attention, they have not compromised the doctrines of the scriptures, they believe and practice in soul winning, are strong KJV, and have a sincere love for people.
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    2Tim215 reacted to Jim_Alaska in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    Thank you for mentioning Rodgers Baptist Church bro. Alan. This was the sending church for the mission work in Alaska that became the church I was saved in. I have always wondered why this church and its pastor have not got more mention on Online Baptist. They are a well known church and responsible for many missionary plantings.
    The late bro. James Dearmore was a missionary to Africa out of this church for many productive years, he was also a dear, personal friend of mine.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Alan in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    Thanks Alan. Will check these out. Appreciate it
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    2Tim215 reacted to OLD fashioned preacher in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    40 years preaching and I doubt any more than 6 of my sermons have ever been recorded, so you won't find any available from me.
    Also, the website no longer exists (plus we didn't have any services recorded on there)
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    2Tim215 reacted to Alan in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    I was just about to leave when I noticed this. As I know you are in South Africa I will have to send you some with a church website. Most of the smaller churches do not have a website so I will have to find some of the larger churches that have a website. Tomorrow morning I will send you a private message with some men.
    Off the top of my head, here on OnLineBaptist, John Young  is a pastor of a smaller church that has some sermons that he uploaded onto OnLineBaptist, Pastor Scott Markle has a website with a lot of fine sermons you can download and books that he has on his church website, Matt (the owner of OnLineBaptist), has a church website, Jim Alaska has a link to his home church, Old Fashioned Preacher (although on furlough) his old church in Kansas has a church website, Salyan's home church has a church website with some fine sermons that I have downloaded.
    I am sure that I have missed some as I am pressed for time right now.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Alan in Is the KJVO "movement" dying?   
    Mind messaging me a few names that I can check out?
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Genevanpreacher in Is 'Calling Upon The Name of the Lord' salvation?   
    Not mad, don't get mad about doctrinal differences anymore. I do believe they are one and the same - different sides to the same coin if you will. I just like people to back up there statements with scripture. And yes, the entire bible does fall in line and though there were differing methods to people getting saved in the beginning chapters of the NT I understand the why and how so agree that this discussion will lead no where.
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    2Tim215 reacted to heartstrings in Is 'Calling Upon The Name of the Lord' salvation?   
    I called out one word; "JESUS!!" , but I guarantee it was childlike faith, straight from my heart, Jesus was there, God heard it, and the Holy Ghost witnessed.  What constitutes a "watered down prayer"/
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    2Tim215 reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in Dr. Peter S. Ruckman past away today.   
    Reckon Peter S Ruckman now realizes that Daffy Duck was not an alien, abortion is murder, and he was wrong on both.
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    2Tim215 reacted to swathdiver in Dr. Peter S. Ruckman past away today.   
    Well, I hope the fella was saved the bible's way.  He's done much damage to the cause of Christ with his dozens of heresies and false gospels and poor attitude and unscriptural conduct.  It is my hope that his movement fades quickly with his passing.  
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    2Tim215 reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in Qualifications for Pastor and Deacon   
    If we were to screen potential pastors using 1 Timothy 3:8 as the guideline for that position, I highly doubt we'd find many, if at all any, who would pass the test.
    However, God does not call the qualified, He qualifies the called.  He has made a way where there seemed to be no way.  Rather than look at the potential pastor through your own standards and opinions, try looking at him through the heart and mind of Christ.  Is he blameless in the world's eyes because of past sins committed before Salvation?  No.  But, if he's saved, he is forgiven.  As Jim pointed out, Saul/Paul was guilty of many heinous crimes against God and the Church.  He was the chief of sinners who admitted that there were times that he did evil even though he did not want to.  But, God used him mightily through it all.
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    2Tim215 reacted to Jim_Alaska in Qualifications for Pastor and Deacon   
    No, he wasn't, he was much more than that. But I used him as an illustration that those who have done much worse than divorce are never questioned. Paul killed Christians and still God counted him worthy to be put into the ministry. He did much more than pastor, he was an Apostle and started and confirmed churches.
    The main point being that it is God who qualifies and equips men for the ministry, after all, it is His Grace that works these things out, not man's biased interpretation of what he "thinks" the Scripture means.
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    2Tim215 reacted to Jim_Alaska in Qualifications for Pastor and Deacon   
    In all of my forty years as an Independent Baptist, this is one issue that has always caused me great discomfort and sadness. In any discussion that revolves around the qualifications for pastor the issue of divorce always takes front seat. All the other qualifications must always take a back seat to the issue of divorce.
    If our brethren who so forcefully contend that a divorced man is unsuitable for the pastorate would apply their reasoning to all the other qualifications, then no one could pastor because they could not qualify.
    Let me clarify on just this one point: Most of those that contend that a man that has been divorced previous to his salvation is still not qualified. But they will not apply the same logic to the other qualifications found in 1Tim.3, such as;
    Has he ever been not blameless; What about bad behavior? Has he ever in his unsaved life not been apt to teach? While he was unsaved has he ever been given to wine, or a striker, or greedy? Has he ever been a brawler or impatient or covetous? Has he ever not had his children under subjection? So then under the heading of qualifications, divorce remains the unpardonable sin among Baptist people. All of these other qualifications can be overlooked because the man was not saved, but not so of divorce; this is man's reasoning, not God's Grace. It makes no difference that God Almighty has pardoned the man from ALL sin and remembers it no more. Man, in his wisdom and reasoning cannot find it in his heart to understand that God's Grace is all encompassing.
    Let me insert one example of how God's Grace and Mercy worked in the life of the Apostle Paul. Paul, as an unbeliever, actually killed believers, but look at what he has to say about his qualifications for the ministry:
     1Tim. 1:12  And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry; 
     13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
     Rom. 8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth. 
     34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 
    So then, I contend that it is Christ Jesus that enables and qualifies a man for the ministry regardless of his past and in direct contradiction to the reasoning of men. Grace = the unmerited favor of God.
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    2Tim215 reacted to Genevanpreacher in Qualifications for Pastor and Deacon   
    In 1 Corinthians 6, there is a set of verses saying who will not enter the kingdom of heaven. And right after that it says 'and such were some of you'. I don't think that previous divorce, before salvation, is condemning for a man after he gets saved, to keep him from the ministry. We were all lost in sin and the lusts of the flesh and unclean. Everyone of us.
    And where is it said that a minister of God has to be able to counsel people in their marriage anyway?
    The scriptures are Godly counsel.
    Not the messenger.
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    2Tim215 reacted to John81 in Qualifications for Pastor and Deacon   
    Thus far I'm not seeing where men who were divorced prior to salvation or who were involved in a divorce under the acceptable guidelines in Scripture, are barred from being a pastor or deacon.
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    2Tim215 reacted to Alan in Qualifications for Pastor and Deacon   
    The sins of the flesh are all forgiven under Calvary, we are not under the Law, and divorce is a terrible experience, no matter what the reason. Both my parents, and my wife's parents, were divorced. So, we know the hardship, sufferings, problems, some of the causes, and the consequences involved.
    According to the Lord Jesus in Matthew 19:1-9 the Lord Jesus firmly explained that Moses gave us the Law of divorce due to the hardness of our hearts and that in the beginning, "What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder." Matthew 19:6.  Afterwards, the Lord Jesus taught that if a man puts away his wife, except for the sin of fornication, they committed adultery if they remarried.
    This passage is very difficult to teach in our age due to a huge amount of people (not everybody), getting divorces  for multiple reasons because it is socially acceptable and an (seemingly), easy way to get rid of spousal problems. And, when it the case of fornication the individual, as other brethren appropriately brought out, does not commit commit adultery if they remarry.
    If the cause for the divorce was for fornication, the other individual does remarry, the faithful individual is free to be remarried, or to be reconciled, 1 Corinthians 7:10-17, the believer is not held in bondage.
    In the above cases the individual (the man), is still not eligible for the office of a pastor. The effects of the sin causes his to be disqualified. In Matthew 19:9 and 1 Corinthians 7:14 and 15, the individual is forgiven but, in no way did the Lord Jesus nor Paul say that the individual is suitable for the office of the pastor.
    When Paul, inspired by the Holy Spirit, and in total agreement with the Lord Jesus, wrote "For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall be take care of the church of God?" 1 Timothy 3:3, that is exactly what he meant. Forgiven: Yes. Able to remarry: Yes. Under the Law: No. Just because Paul, in numerous occasions, quoted the Old Testament Law as the standard for numerous doctrines, does not make us under the Law. The Law is perfect in all situations as a standard for HOLINESS AND RIGHTEOUSNESS in all situations.
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    2Tim215 reacted to wretched in Qualifications for Pastor and Deacon   
    I think the same line of reasoning using the present tense since all the quals are written in the present tense means he must meet all the quals at the time of consideration and ordination and he must maintain all the quals to remain qualified.
    If that is the case (which it is) and multiple wives was a common practice then and is still today in many parts of the world, why would one consider all the quals as in their clearly written present tense but then apply "for all their life, even before salvation" the qual of one wife?? Makes no sense to me and has probably been the man made roadblock for many truly called of God. Who knows the great soulwinning growth many IFB churches could have had or still have if this misinterpretation was never made.
    Strange how we have made up the idea that a Pastor can only give Godly counsel to their church if they have only had one marriage their whole life. "How can he counsel our marriage if he has had troubled marriages in the past". Well here is a better question if experience is the only way to gain knowledge, how can that same pastor give proper counsel to the divorced if he has never felt the pain or shame of it? I say the same thing I say to people with no children who want to give parental advice; "you don't know and you will never know so keep your information to yourself" What I need is knowledge, not information; I can get information anywhere.
    I think most IFBs have greatly erred with this misinterpretation. But just my opinion dealing with the context of the qualifications as written.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from Covenanter in Here's A Question   
    Here's a question that should pose some interesting debate:D It's got me confused.
    Act 2:2  And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
    Act 2:3  And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
    Act 2:4  And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
    Pentacost - filled with the spirit
    Act 2:7  And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
    Act 2:8  And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
    Speaking in foreign tounges.
    Act 2:7  And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
    Act 2:8  And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
    Act 2:12  And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
    Act 2:13  Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
    But this is where it gets interesting:
    Act 2:14  But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
    Act 2:15  For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
    Act 2:16  But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
    Act 2:17  And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
    Act 2:18  And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
    Act 2:19  And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
    Act 2:20  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
    Act 2:21  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    Peter uses the prophecy of Joel to explain that what they are seeing is this prophecy being fullfilled. If I stand by what I believe, that the Bible is the inspired word of God, is without error and that these spirit filled men knew what they were talking about why are they speaking about "last days", "day of the lord" and all the rest?
    The rest is about Jesus, repentance and salvation. So how could Peter be speaking about signs and wonders and last days to explain a current event? And if we are to trust the bible - then how many last days are there? Because if there is only one, then that prophecy and what Peter says here means that from the moment this happened to our current time is the last days and then all I have been taught by the IFB church is wrong coz then everything in those verses is still applicable to THIS day - prophecy, tounges, visions and dreams - IE miracles, signs and wonders.
    I don't need the usual arguments here. I have studied long enough and hard enough to be able to rightly divide on my own - but this one has stumped me. I am sure there is a logical explanation, just haven't figured it out yet.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from ThePilgrim in Keeping Track......   
    I know a wonderful IFB pastor that has a 9 yr old daughter. An American IFB pastor came to our country to start a church, found one allready and was not happy so decided to destroy it. One of the things he did was tell his son (they were in the same school - small town) to tell this pastors daughter that he (the father) was going to burn in hell. This pastor endured many years of this kind of onslaught. I was saved when I was 9 yrs old. One IFB pastor told me and my wife we were not "truly" saved as we gave our lives to the Lord outside of an IFB church. I don't think that I have been uniquely unlucky as my years in the IFB doctrine have proven otherwise. There are many truly wonderfull believers in the IFB; and many snakes.
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    2Tim215 reacted to DaveW in Keeping Track......   
    Some here delight in constantly restating how many times they gave read their Bible through or how many people they have led to salvation.

    I personally don't keep track of numbers like that. I don't really see the point.

    To me it comes across a little prideful.
    Sort of "I've read my Bible through 9783 times" (therefore I must be more spiritual than you).

    A bit like preachers who always want to talk about numbers in church.
    I don't count that either.
    Partly because in the close region of our church we have many cult buildings and their car parks are always full.
    I came to the conclusion that numbers do not equal God's blessing or being in God's will.

    1Co 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful.

    This is real Christian success, not being able to tick the boxes and fill in numbers.

    According to God's Word, a faithful servant who has worked diligently is what God is looking for - the results of that work are not mentioned here.
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    2Tim215 reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in Wow, God Is Really Serious About This   
    I would agree to an extent, Li. We can learn from the Old Testament. But that should be a learning that points to the cross and to grace.

    Pastors should not be preaching the Old Testament Mosaic Law as something that
    God commands us to OBey today. Sadly, many Churches, even IFB Churches, teach OBedience to the Law that was never meant for them. When they do so, they tempt God and they subvert the souls of their congregation.
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    2Tim215 got a reaction from prophet1 in Under The Skin   
    Pro_29:11  A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.
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