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2Tim215

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  1. 2Co 4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not; 2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. 2Co 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: This is what happens when things are taken out of context. The verse has nothing to with "withholding evidence" nor not speaking your entire mind and keeping some things to your self. It has to do with the ministry, the Gospel and the truth that is ours in Christ. Keeping things to yourself is not lying. Lying is when you speak an untruth. It is an action. Even if someone asks you something, refusing to divulge it is not lying or being dishonest if you openly state that you will not divulge it. This is a heart matter. The heart knows when it is in sin. If this was the case then by refusing to tell a child the facts of life when they are too young to know it you would be lying. just one example where a wise man keeps it till afterwards.
  2. Pro_29:11 A fool uttereth all his mind: but a wise man keepeth it in till afterwards.
  3. Rom_10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? Should answer the original question. The 12 apostles were annonted by the Holy Spirit to teach, preach and spread the Word. During this period many besides the 12 were also annointed to do so and led by the Spirit. We have the Word. It is complete and we are each individually commanded to study the Word to show ourselves approved. 2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. But we are not to forsake the "assembling of ourselves together" Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. The churches today have become a political parties bonded to a fixed building and enslaved by men who have no idea where to find 1Tim 3:2 and Tit 1:7 and we have allowed it by allowing the traditions of men and not God's Word to lead us. We are each and every one accountable for our own understanding of God's Word and our own lives and the way we live them and are not going to be able to blame the "preacher" and his teachings when we one day stand at the judgment seat of Christ to recieve or rewards or lack thereof.
  4. Yes, agreed. It is a glorious continuity. Some just have a hang up with the word "dispensation" and the moment someone uses that word they are regarded as heretics etc. Call it what you will, covenant, ages, dispensations - they are just words meant to describe the same thing - that God dealt with mankind differently during the "glorious continuity" of His interaction with us. Just like the word "rapture" - try find that in the bible. We are not raptured, we are taken up. But that's another debate for the contentous. Haven't been here for a year and I see not much has changed. Still arguing about the same things. Bickering like children over who is more right than the other. Rom 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. Rom 14:2 For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs. Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Rom 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. Rom 14:7 For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. Rom 14:8 For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. Rom 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. Rom 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
  5. You are wasting your time. Many here do not believe that God dealt differently with man - ie - dispensations/ages or whatever you want to call it. Ironic as there is a huge difference between OT works and NT grace just to name two examples. Never mind how God dealt with man pre flood and post flood before the Law came into effect. Haven't seen many sacrificing goats and sheep at the temple lately have you? A lot to read, yet the truth is right in there if one bothers to read it. Act 15:1 And certain men which came down from Judaea taught the brethren, and said, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, ye cannot be saved. Act 15:2 When therefore Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and disputation with them, they determined that Paul and Barnabas, and certain other of them, should go up to Jerusalem unto the apostles and elders about this question. Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren. Act 15:4 And when they were come to Jerusalem, they were received of the church, and of the apostles and elders, and they declared all things that God had done with them. Act 15:5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses. Act 15:6 And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter. Act 15:7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe. Act 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; Act 15:9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith. Act 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? Act 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they. Act 15:12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them. Act 15:13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying, Men and brethren, hearken unto me: Act 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name. Act 15:15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written, Act 15:16 After this I will return, and will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen down; and I will build again the ruins thereof, and I will set it up: Act 15:17 That the residue of men might seek after the Lord, and all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called, saith the Lord, who doeth all these things. Act 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world. Act 15:19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God: Act 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood. Act 15:21 For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. Act 15:22 Then pleased it the apostles and elders, with the whole church, to send chosen men of their own company to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas; namely, Judas surnamed Barsabas, and Silas, chief men among the brethren: Act 15:23 And they wrote letters by them after this manner; The apostles and elders and brethren send greeting unto the brethren which are of the Gentiles in Antioch and Syria and Cilicia: Act 15:24 Forasmuch as we have heard, that certain which went out from us have troubled you with words, subverting your souls, saying, Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment: Act 15:25 It seemed good unto us, being assembled with one accord, to send chosen men unto you with our beloved Barnabas and Paul, Act 15:26 Men that have hazarded their lives for the name of our Lord Jesus Christ. Act 15:27 We have sent therefore Judas and Silas, who shall also tell you the same things by mouth. Act 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things; Act 15:29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. Act 15:30 So when they were dismissed, they came to Antioch: and when they had gathered the multitude together, they delivered the epistle: Act 15:31 Which when they had read, they rejoiced for the consolation. Act 15:32 And Judas and Silas, being prophets also themselves, exhorted the brethren with many words, and confirmed them. Act 15:33 And after they had tarried there a space, they were let go in peace from the brethren unto the apostles. Act 15:34 Notwithstanding it pleased Silas to abide there still. Act 15:35 Paul also and Barnabas continued in Antioch, teaching and preaching the word of the Lord, with many others also. Act 15:36 And some days after Paul said unto Barnabas, Let us go again and visit our brethren in every city where we have preached the word of the Lord, and see how they do. Act 15:37 And Barnabas determined to take with them John, whose surname was Mark. Act 15:38 But Paul thought not good to take him with them, who departed from them from Pamphylia, and went not with them to the work. Act 15:39 And the contention was so sharp between them, that they departed asunder one from the other: and so Barnabas took Mark, and sailed unto Cyprus; Act 15:40 And Paul chose Silas, and departed, being recommended by the brethren unto the grace of God. Act 15:41 And he went through Syria and Cilicia, confirming the churches.
  6. In other words nothing extra than what you are allready wearing? Makes sense. Didn't think of it that way. Thanks all.
  7. Mar 6:7 And he called unto him the twelve, and began to send them forth by two and two; and gave them power over unclean spirits; Mar 6:8 And commanded them that they should take nothing for their journey, save a staff only; no scrip, no bread, no money in their purse: Mar 6:9 But be shod with sandals; and not put on two coats. Mar 6:10 And he said unto them, In what place soever ye enter into an house, there abide till ye depart from that place. Mar 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Mar 6:12 And they went out, and preached that men should repent. against Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease. Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him. Mat 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Mat 10:9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, Mat 10:10 Nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat. Mat 10:11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence. Mat 10:12 And when ye come into an house, salute it. Mat 10:13 And if the house be worthy, let your peace come upon it: but if it be not worthy, let your peace return to you. Mat 10:14 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. Mat 10:15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city. Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Underlined portions in bold seem to contradict one another. Taken in contexts it appears to be the same situation (note verses in red) yet the commands differ? So is the the KJV the unerrant bible we believe it to be? My personal belief is that it is but how does one answer this?
  8. I assume that you mean that I am leading others to believe that the MP's are ok to be used as "commentaries"? A commentary being another persons take on God's Word, which in a sense is exactly what the MP's are - other idiots take with important parts missing of God's Word. There is always two sides to a coin - you say they can be led astray - I say they can make one AWARE of the false doctrines being taught. I am wary of people that place an honorific before there name and then always try and keep people from doing our God given right and HIS command to test the spirits, seek the truth and question EVERYTHING taught by them that claim to know God's Word better than others. Do we have a spirit of fear where we tip toe arround the MP's or do we constanly and consistantly expose them for the lies that they are. It's not only us stuck up IFB's that read the posts on this site and if I have led just ONE person from a non IFB church to question the truth in their MP then I have done what I was told to do.
  9. The faith OF Christ imparted UNTO all them that believe and then take very carefull note how it is changed in all the new versions to a faith that we excersise in our own strength. Did you bother to read???
  10. No, I am saying that it is not our faith that saves us but rather the faith of Jesus Christ the man who in faith trusted His father and went to the cross on our behalf. we are dead in sin so how can we have a faith that saves? Hebrews 12:2 - Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. Galatians 2:16 - Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Note: not by our faith in Him "but by the faith of Jesus Christ" clearly pointing to His faith otherwise it would have said but by our faith IN Jesus Christ Romans 3:20-23 King James Version (KJV) 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; The faith OF Christ imparted UNTO all them that believe and then take very carefull note how it is changed in all the new versions to a faith that we excersise in our own strength. Romans 3:20-23 New International Version (NIV) 20 Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin. Righteousness Through Faith 21 But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. 22 This righteousness is given through faith in[a] Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference between Jew and Gentile, 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, Romans 3:20-23 New King James Version (NKJV) 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin. God’s Righteousness Through Faith 21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all[a] who believe. For there is no difference; 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
  11. God gives grace to the humble and resists the proud. It is NOT our faith that saves us but the faith of Christ on the cross - it's our humility that saves us through His faith - think about this.
  12. Ahh! Now I see what "copies" you were refering to - those same ones Jesus read from.
  13. So you would apply this statement to the MV's? The Message for example?
  14. In the end it's faith. Do you trust that God preserved His Word? We can never know the original meaning nor why the translators chose that particular meaning - but we do know God promised to preserve His Word and even though He did do just that we still read it wrong sometimes and come up with our own translation to suit our own ends from His preserved Word. Must take dogs and wife to beach - will continue later.
  15. Every Saturday - oh how my flesh cringed - led more to the Lord in that short period than in my whole life. Had the pleasure of meeting Dr Peacock when he visited South Africa and hearing him preach in the flesh was a blessing - very unnassuming and humble man.
  16. Wilchbla - agreed, excelent school but far more focused on teaching how to preach and rightly divide the Word than on "theology". More a focus on hands on than head knowledge. And though I have no problem using Hebrew and Greek and the studies of other great men - I will never take my doctrine or understanding of God's Word from them - this comes from His preserved Word - the KJB. I know the Baptist college here in SA no longer teaches that we are to be taken up and some of the other founding doctrines. But then a lot of the baptists lost the plot years ago.
  17. I studied for a while through TBDI (http://www.tbdi.org/)and I know they are a KJB only college yet I can't remember ever been told catergoriaclly not to. I personnally will not use a dictionary or lexicon to get the meaning of a paasage or behind a word as I beleieve the context of the passage will always supply the required meaning - this is plain understanding of english - if the meaning is not immediatly obvious a little digging in the chapter will reveal it every time. I will however use them to get a little historical background to the author or setting for some deeper understanding if required. I personally believe the KJB is plain enough without creating confusion from the opinions of others.
  18. You can delete your face book account, the trick is to NOT log in for 30 days. Try it, it worked for me. When you delete the account the small print says that if you log in before 30 days are over it will be reactivated.
  19. Though I have many of David Clouds sermons I have never listened to one nor read anything of his or read much about him. So my coming statement is not directed to him. But I have found through personal experience that those that demand separatism are usually the least separated, especially when they make a point of exposing those that "disagree" or share a slightly differing view point. When someone is on a band wagon it's usually best to get off and ride your own horse.
  20. Excellent link Jerry!!! My pastor once preached on this topic and I could say it was almost identical to the linked topic. This is what rightly dividing the Word is all about!! I quote his one statement and leave it at that. "PREDESTINATION HAS TO DO WITH THE ETERNAL SECURITY OF THE BELIEVER, NOT THE SALVATION OF THE UNBELIEVING SINNER." God's Eternal Purpose by Norman H. Wells
  21. Two schools of thought on that one. Both use scripture "rightly divided" to base their views on. Spose we will only know when we get to see our Maker.
  22. Not just aliens and zombies, but the fascination with nephilim has also increased. Some Christians believe they are already walking amongst us.
  23. Guess what? I wear SHORTS to church!! Burn me at the stake. Come on Jerry, prove to me if you can where pants is "not to wear that which pertaineth to a man" Men wore robes when that statement was made.
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