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  1. Your scripture ref was the above, my lion comment was just me being facetious. Amen - I agree My question still is: Do we know how long is long in regards to men? Was not the hair of men at the time shoulder length? So if Paul's example was shoulder length hair for men is it acceptable today? Are woman allowed shoulder length hair if at the time Paul wrote this woman had hair that flowed down their backs? Again, who draws the line and are we not nitpicking as the pharisees did instead of focusing on more important doctrinal issues? Are we not basing our stand on those of our fore bearers 200/300 yrs ago and not on the Word? And if so, how many traditions in the church are based on those of our fore bearers and not on the Word? Not being funny here. It is a valid question and if charismatics can use scripture to base many of their false doctrines on, can we not fall into the same trap?
  2. Personally I believe no one should judge a person for the length of their hair - we are to judge people on their doctrine, not their appearance. Rather guide people and let the Lord convict them concerning their appearance - change takes time and enforcing it will always drive them to rebellion - it's the nature of man. John in his last statement is right on the money - we do want to live accordingly but my question again is if it is not precise then who decides the line?
  3. That is not what I am saying. I made it quite clear that I am questioning the motives behind traditions of today's churches and what is the line (if any) and where is that line. Who decides the line? And according to nature a lions main is his glory and that is long whilst the lioness is short - explain that one :D
  4. I also have a question: If we are to live according to Johns interpretation of the particular scripture, can I grow my hair down to my shoulders as a man? Did men not have shoulder length hair in Paul's days? So how can we say that men must have short hair that is mans traditions and woman must have long hair according to "biblical" traditions Two faced coin here. I personally prefer long hair on a woman, but would not call one a sinner if her hair was short. Nor would I call a man one for having long hair.
  5. I agree John, but a persons personal preference has no place in the church. And the use of scripture out of context to justify a persons personal preference is exactly what is wrong with churches these days. What type of witness would I be if I was a old pipe smoking baptist minister and said smoking was okay just because it was my personal preference? Or if I like a beer on Friday nights so it's okay to indulge in the occasional alcoholic beverage? How dare we say: "Well okay, you can come sit in our pews and listen, but don't you think of joining in! Don't you dare think of doing anything special in our church for God!"
  6. Is it right to show respect to one who does not show respect to saved believers by denying them the same rights just because of the color of their skin? Being South African I have seen the ugly side of both coins and I have also seen American IFB missionaries in MY country do the same because they hold the same beliefs as Bro Smith and others. All I know is this: Act 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: And this 1Co 7:21 Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. 1Co 7:22 For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord's freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ's servant. 1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. And this Eph 6:9 And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him. God sees the color red, not the color black - He sees the blood of Christ not a mans skin.
  7. You guys are forgetting the one most important thing (besides the fact that it IS THE WORD OF GOD) IT IS THE ONLY BIBLE THAT HAS NO COPYRIGHT "The original crown copyright of 1611 does not forbid anyone today from reprinting the Authorized Version. It was only copyrighted then for the purpose of allowing the printer to finance the publication. For nearly four hundred years now we have been printing millions of copies of KJV's without requesting permission from anyone. Over eight-hundred million copies of the Authorized Version have been printed without anyone paying royalties. This cannot be said of any of the new translations. " quote SO: It was NOT made to prove someones doctrine. It was NOT made to make some publisher, preacher or organization rich It IS the free Word of God - yes you pay for it but few benefit. (besides those that read it) Any one can print it without the need for permission. It was fine for 100's of years until capitalism came into the picture and people started copying the Roman church and making money in God's temple. It is almost impossible to find in any Christian bookstore, never mind any other bookstore. Talk about falling away - there's your proof.
  8. Well done !!! A perfect contextual breakdown of the scripture, so far the best explanation of the verse, unless someone can come up with one better.
  9. John, to put you at ease a bit. I was saved at a young age, grew up with a mother who was and still is a staunch believer, something happened and in my teens I went bad. You think your child is bad, well if you take every movie of a bad child and combine them you'll get me as a teen, My mom used to pray that the Lord would take care of me and keep me safe, etc, then she started praying: Lord, do as you will, even if you must take him home! It was only in my late 20's that I turned back on my knees. In my experience, rebellious children that have a foundation of love and sound christian principles almost ALWAYS turn back to God at some point in there lives and there rebellion is usually based on anger and nothing you do or say will change there outlook on the situation - they need to come to a point where they realize how stupid they are. Just keep on praying and hold fast to the author of your faith. We all have had someone somewhere praying for us and I believe God always answers prayers that are in accordance with His will and I KNOW that salvation is first and foremost part of his will for all of us.
  10. I don't know if I quite agree with this. If the son is old enough to make his own choice regarding Jesus and salvation then he is old enough for you to no longer be responsible for his actions and any disciplinary action on your part would be fruitless and futile. However, the question is: how old is old enough. I think that would be the individuals choice. Personally, I feel there is no clear biblical directive that would stop you in this case from pastoring a church and that there are far too few IFB pastors out there for you not to. I was studying for my BA of divinity and quit because I knew I could not live up to the high stds required in 1 Tim and Titus. Maybe later with some more maturity I might continue, but strongly believe that any Pastor that does something to disqualify himself or brings the reputation of the office of pastor into disrepute once in the office of Pastor must not continue in that office. This does not mean he can no longer serve the church in any other capacity, but that would be up to the church and the leaders of the church.
  11. Does no one find it strange that when Saul used the witch to call up the "spirit" of Samuel she recognized him as "An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle." or when the rich man and the poor man died he was able in hell to see and recognize the beggar, he was able to feel thirst and the flame? So how is it that the spirit spirit comes alive when saved, that after death the person is recognizable as they were on earth, that the spirit is dead in sin until we are saved and quickened through Christ? But to put this to rest and as I always say: the bible says it and I believe it! To be whole we must be three. To be alive we must be three. In sin we are dead and only two. 1Th 5:23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
  12. I do not "fail to see the value in abiding by Scripture" - I do however agree that we must AIM for that high mark, but you seem to (in all your posts that I have so far read) try to portray through your comments a lifestyle of perfection. This is impossible as we AIM for that mark and I quote you now - "even though we can never attain it in this lifetime" So why in your replies or comments to me in this thread and others do you "pretend" to be perfect when you yourself maintain it's impossible? I do not condone a christian "living as they please" and have never condoned it - I do however categorically state that a saved person can live in a state of perpetual sin and still be saved. And yes it is self righteousness if it's not the truth. Do you sin? If you like the rest of us do, then you do not always live, and I quote you again - "believing the Word of God and through the power of the Holy Ghost, living in accord with the Word" and though we may be called "to live accordingly", we don't always do, do we? Seth, read the above to John. I do not have a problem receiving nor taking reproof, advice nor correction when it is in line with the Word, and yes, John in his correction was in line with the Word, yet his manner is not always and neither is his assumptions concerning myself or my doctrine. In this and other posts he continues to maintain that I condone believers living in sin. That I am "unsaved" or was "never saved in the first place" - these are assumptions on his part and his "corrections" purvey these assumptions. I have never condoned believers living in sin but will always emphatically state that no man has the right to judge a man unsaved if he claims Jesus Christ as his savior, only God does. Nor can any man judge a man unsaved if he happens to be living in sin for however long a period of time. So whose perspective is right?
  13. Was not implying that the Lord is childish, but then again, He did say we must be as little children. And maybe one day, after I am raptured and in my new perfect body I will be able to live this perfect life of sinless perfection and self righteous "Holiness" I keep on seeing on this site from particular people, but right now, in this body that is lost to sin, I just take each day as it comes and I don't try and pretend to be perfect, or holy or all wise just because it's a forum and no one can see how I actually live. I am a sinner saved by grace and nothing more.
  14. Not in the slightest, was trying to imply the the futility and painfully childish self righteousness of getting upset because you said it. The things people will pick on sometimes leaves me astonished. I think that there are far more important things to be "offended" over, but then, you did cause offense and you did apologize so - my apologies if you misunderstood me.
  15. Oh, and the best thing that ever happened in my life was when a IFB pastor decided to come plant a church, just so sad there are so few of them here in SA.
  16. Personally, I believe the biggest downfall on hard line preaching in the last 20 years is when the church became capitalists. Now I may be throwing a gauntlet here, but I blame TBN, most TV ministries and any church, pastor, leadership and individual believer that endorses this mass broadcast of false doctrine and personal gain Christianity.
  17. My usual response to someone who uses the Lord's name in vain is - "careful, He's listening, and might just here you calling him" or "SAVES!" So here's my response: "Holy Cow!" - Steak!! and "Jesus!!" - SAVES!!!
  18. Think I have it. Coupla lines that throw me off. When you give the answer I'd like to see a breakdown line by line. Excellent riddle.
  19. We shall all bow to SFIC as HE is GOD!! He has been invested with all authority, power and dominion to judge all men. To decide who is saved and who is not. All who do not abide by His Word shall burn with the drunkards, the liars, the thieves, the malcontents, those who disagree. Frankly, I have had enough of you and your bigoted opinions. You may hate your brother and wish him in hell, and you Linda, may hate your husband and wish him in hell too. Me, I have no love for my father, but I would never presume to play God and judge him, nor would I wish him in hell. I choose to believe the Word, and the Word says he is saved. Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. Rom 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
  20. I've seen a few bricks fly faster than a thoroughbred, and have just recently met someone as thick as one.
  21. You may call me a liar, but in almost every post I have quoted scripture whilst you have quoted almost nothing. The scripture says it, you won't believe it - so YOU are calling God a liar, not me.
  22. I understand where you are coming from. What is the point you ask. A man may rape and murder and be saved. Once saved, is he any less guilty of rape and murder? What if after he is saved he murders and rapes again, just once? Not for 10yrs, 20 or even 30yrs - just once and he "repents" - is he any less guilty? The answer is no. He is guilty of rape and murder. Now which is worse - being a drunkard for 30 yrs, or killing and raping only once after being saved. The answer is neither. In the eyes of God they are the same. If I sleep around behind my wife's back for 40 yrs and another man sexually abuses his own child and both of us are unsaved, in the eyes of the world I am normal, yet the other is evil even in today's sick standards. Yet if both of us are saved and do this, we are both equally guilty in God's eyes. Whether you are a liar, a thief, a murderer, a cheat it is all the same to God. So how can a saved person who is eternally saved go to hell if he sins? He can't. All sin is the same to God, that is why He says He will remember them no more. Once saved, God does not "see" your sin, He sees the Blood of Christ that covers you. So I must ask: do you believe in eternal salvation? You say you were in prison. You committed a crime and payed the time required. If you go and commit the crime again you will have to serve the time again if caught - that is the way of the worlds law. Yet you see salvation the same way. You lived a life of sin. You repented or paid the price, so you repented. God was merciful. Now if you live the same sin again you must repent in order not to have to pay the price again. That is WORKS, not GRACE. Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; Heb 10:13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before, Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
  23. SFIC, I do not believe that any one here is of the opinion that a saved believer need not try every second of every day to overcome through Christ sin in there lives, and to place God first in all they do and say. This thread is starting to become very aggressive and I apologize for any inflammatory remarks that I have made but have to point this out to you: You ask in the above quote "They don't have to give up their sins? Just what is bringing them to Christ?" Well, here is your answer: 1Co 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. I really do not know how it can be more clearer than that? Or This: Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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