Bro Jim

Welcome to the discussions.

I agree find a lady in the church who will do it and will have a Christian attitude about it. I try and use "soul winning " training to address bodily order.

Some people are so into the natural thing that they don't like the chemicals in deodorant, talk is the the aluminum in them also lead to Alzhiemers. I have seen and read that white vinegar works well for BO, and when I was in the movie "Comanche Moon" the wardrobe people use "vodka" as a spray for the armpits of the costumes, to fight he oder form the actors.

But it sure has to be done in Christs love. And if all else fails, then a pastor must do it.

Noooooooooo, as long as we are human, and people want to say i'm righter, holier, better looking and yada, yada, yada, yadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Okay I'll stop. Ya think?

Hahahahaha..... WILL IT EVER ENNNNNNNDDDDDDD???

Noooooooooo, as long as we are human, and people want to say i'm righter, holier, better looking and yada, yada, yada, yadaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

In my ignorance, Hiss Hiss, meow, meow.

Anger and wrath are two different things, though they are closely related. The sin as I read it has to do with the sun going down on our wrath, and the next verse goes on to say that when we do we are allowingthe devil to get involve or have a place/part in what is going on.

Pr 27:4 "Wrath is cruel, and anger is outrageous; but who is able to stand before envy?" even tells us there is a difference.

My wife and I do our best to go to sleep at nigh just as in love with each other as we start our day out. Which seems easier to do than when I am upset with one of my children, who don't want to repair or change from that which is wrong. Having (or having had) red hair, I have often accused of having a quick temper. I can and have had one too, but God has blessed me with the ability to get over it as quick as I can lose it. Have I had to work on it, and rely on God when I'm dealing with others. Sure and there in lays the answer, turning it over to God, prayer, thinking about the forgiveness of Christ, Mt 6:12 "And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors."

Not that I have lost my hair , it just has lost some of its color.
Webster's1828 Dictionary

AN'GRY, a. See anger.

1.Feeling resentment; provoked; followed generally by with before a person.

Godis angry with the wicked every day. Ps. 7.

Butit is usually followed by at before a thing.

Whereforeshould God be angry at thy voice? Eccles. 5.

2.Showing anger; wearing the marks of anger; caused by anger; as, an angrycountenance; angry words.

3.Inflamed, as a sore; red; manifesting inflammation.

4.Raging; furious; tumultuous.

Or chain theangry vengeance of the waves.

WRATH, n. L.

1.Violent anger; vehement exasperation; indignation; as the wrath of Achilles.

Whenthe wrath of king Ahasuerus was appeased--Esther 2.

OLord--in wrath remember mercy. Habakkuk 3.

2.The effects of anger. Proverbs 27.

3.The just punishment of an offense or crime. Romans 8.

Gods wrath,in Scripture, is his holy and just indignation against sin. Romans 1

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If I rad John's post the way i think i read it, then the question has to do with who is running what and or who. Is the woman running the family when it is the husband's responsibility, are women usurping authority over men in the church? Etc. Is that which we are seeing going on a patriarchal society or a matriarchal society? Who running things and who does the Bible say are to be running things?

As far as the elders teaching the younger, or society has become so youth centered that the old paths are not welcome or even desired anymore. That is why it is going to be so hard to bring or have a revival in this country. We must have a revival centered around repentance and prayer. And we want a revival centered around what "I want." Until we look to God for what He wants and quit looking to self. I know this is off topic, but it is a large part of the problem

We have been going to the DR a lot lately, as our son is to be born shortly. When we go they check his heart beat. My 23 month old daughter (though this fit when she was 18 months) "dances" to the heart beat. She feels music in ways I have seen very few doing. The little song "I'm in the Lord's Army" she loves, and marches like crazy. But I have noticed there are very few (I cannot think of any) songs that she does not move to at least some. If we used this and the toe tapping as a gauge for what music should be played, we would have to throw the piano right out the door!!!

It is had to do with how the child moves and or acts. There is a distinct difference in how worldly and secular music affects the mind and spirit. I would not say that because some good Christian music makes us want to move it is wrong, "Onward Christian Soldiers" makes me want to march forward in to battle, "Wipe Out" makes me want to wipe out, and been there done that. What I hear with most CCM is it is trying to sound and mimic secular music in its affect on our spirit and souls. Maybe I am prejudice, having come out of that kind of world, but when I hear most of that which is called CCM it sounds like worldly music to me. From the beat to the chanting. And I have heard songs written today by good Christians that God has touch there hearts that has great messages in them with not need for, ratty tat- tat of a drum or the hard down beat of a bass guitar, or the arm swing strum of a electric guitar. Here is good music, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th0m2259pls&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL. Yes call me prejudice if you want. I like good music.

Good grief, I get tired of all the you did and he did and I'm righter than you are righter. Things like that have made me stop taking publications form some IFB'ers. "Cause I'm righter the you." Let's just get busy and get people saved.

I not sure about those situations totally, but we had a woman photographer in Sana Fe refuse to do pictures for a sodomite union. They sued her for discrimination and won. seems that because sh didn't have anything in her business description they won. I know a young pastor in Taos NM, when he put together his business plan and description, he stated that he would not do those kind of events. I now and have heard that is one of those tricky ones. We purposely put in our church by laws that we believe and stand marriage is between one man and one woman. These people are well funded and will tr anyway to get their wickedness recognized.

I read somewhere not to long ago that grocery stores play slow and soft music because it makes you slow down when you are shopping and there by you by more. If they play faster music it makes you more faster and buy less. I think I read that in the WSJ.

I know when I'm in a store or place that is playing this stuff today that is called music it makes me want to get out in a hurry.

How can music (not lyrics) "exalt the flesh"? Not challenging your assertion, just curious as to what you mean.

We dealt with this some years ago in the church, one of the young men gave this illustration and check it out to see if it is true. They had a 18 month baby boy, I had taught about the kind of music that affects the body verse the spirit. He told about the baby boy and music, if they had the radio on and it was playing the worldly fast beat up tempo stuff, then the baby would be very active to the point of dancing,(so cute when a baby does it) even agitated, then he put on a tape we had made of my wife playing the piano, hymns and good gospel music, and the baby would calm down and not be as active.

Look at the way "Onward Christian Soldiers" affect us/you verses something like "Sweet Holy Spirit" and I mean without the words.

Its OK to dance if your name is David.

2 Samuel 6:14 And David danced before the LORD with all his might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.

David, "danced unto the LORD" and was not in a hugging contest to music as most dancing seem to exhibit, and so worst than that. Personally even if a husband and wife are going to do it, it belongs in an intimate setting as it should be between them.

At what age is a boy a man? Is it the age that modern day western society deems it to be? 18, 19, 20, 21, etc............... Or is it the traditional Jewish age for bar mitzvah? 13

Depending upon one's understanding of Scriptures, coupled with their answer to the above question you may have a very different view about the how and when a child becomes an adult and thus how the parent-child relationship then moves forward.

Time and again in the OT the age that men were called to service, war, service in the temple, etc, was twenty years of age, would that be considered the "age of accountability?

1 Begin with infancy to give the child everything he wants. In this way he will grow up to believe the world owes him a living.
2 When he picks up bad words, laugh at him. This will make him think he’s cute.
3 Never give him any spiritual training. Wait until he is twenty-one and then let "him decide for himself".
4 Avoid the use of "wrong". He may develop a guilt complex. This will condition him to believe later, when he is arrested, that society is against him and he is being persecuted.
5 Pick up everything he leaves lying around. Do everything for him so that he will be experienced in throwing all responsibility on others.
6 Take his part against neighbors, teachers, and policemen. They are all prejudiced against your child.
7 Quarrel frequently in the presence of your children. In this way they won’t be so shocked when the home is broken up later.
8 Give the child all the spending money he wants. Never let him earn his own.
9 Satisfy his every craving for food, drink, and comfort. See that his every sensual desire is gratified.
10 Let him read any printed material, and listen to any music he can get his hands on. Be careful that the silverware and drinking glasses are sterilized, but let his mind feast on garbage.
11 When he gets into real trouble, apologize to yourself by saying, "I could never do anything with him."
12 Prepare for a life of grief. You will likely have it.

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In my opinion this thing called CCM is not of God, I was a rock-n-roller before I got saved. As I listen to some of this stuff I have a hard time telling the difference between today's secular music and CCM. Some of it is even designed to "cross over" into worldly music. If you follow the "career" of some of these "CCM' entertainers they are far from a Christian witness.

One question to ask is, "does it appeal to the flesh or the spirit?" Paul said try the spirits whether they be of God.

Google some of these bands.

Check out this article and some of the other info there: http://www.biblebeli....com/Rock1.html

I don't believe everything written today is "CCM".

Good poem & prayer. Thank God for the Holy Spirit.

These people are trying to French, trick. If we shut down the government then we get our way. Ain't it time they understood they work for the citizens, and what do the create/produce other than the need for higher taxes.

We have forgotten that all that happens to us in God's will. If we put ourselves in the right places doing the right things then God's will may be well for us. if we put ourselves in the wrong places then God's will, may not be well for us.

Ro 8:28 "And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose."

God created man, Col. Colt made them equal, but only Jesus Christ can get you into Heaven.

We had our bank "My Bank", (and that it is lot of fun, with a bank named "My Bank") call us one time to verify an attempt to by a money oder with our debit card #. We are in NM, they were trying to buy it in Missouri. Again canceled the card and got a new one.

This has turned a little bit from essentials to the Baptist flag. When asked I showed it. Why do we use it, a several of reasons are, 1) It stands for our beliefs and basic doctrines which are contrary to that of the majority of "Christian" churches/denominations. 2)It sets us apart from the ecumenical movement. 3) Have you ever tried to fly a Bible from a flag pole? I do wave it in the pulpit the King James Bible.

As to MV's, one of the reasons, other than it attacks on the deity of Christ, salvation by grace, etc.(whole other topic for a whole other thread) we don't use or condone the NIV, I=International.

I didn't think that I might say something like this but, no he should not step down, if he did he would being going against the government that the nation is built on. We are a Republic, not a democracy. If he was to step down because it seems to be the popular thing to do then where does it stop? Our rule of government are set up to protect us as a country. I realize that we have "representatives' that have taken us in the wrong direction and we have allow them to pass laws that are not always for our good. Can you imagine what it would be like if everything in America was run on what was popular at the time.

Let's start having the preacher preach what is most popular with the congregation on Sunday morning and not what God has put on his heart for us. I 'm talking about churches we go to, not the worldly emergent bunch that does that already. What a picture of where we would be if we allowed our country to be run by popular opinion.

And 9/10 of the time it isn't the laws that get us, it is the regulations attached after the law is passed.

We must speak up but remember 1000 emails = 100 snail mails = 10 phone calls = 1 personal visit.

I don't know how many people have seen what is going on in Wis. There is a stink going on between the unions and the Gov. over pay and there being money to pay them. Some of it has to do with collective bargaining, (of which they could not accomplish even before the Rep. Gov. got voted into office.).

Anyhow I saw this sign at the protest and wonder what will we sell our beliefs for,:

Parents worry about "grinding" at high school proms, but have no problem with a boy purposely putting his hands all over their daughter's body for sports glory.

I have one thing to say to anyone that wants to put their hands on my daughter that way. "Mossberg" Oops, and I mean it with love.