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God's Child last won the day on September 17 2010

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  1. Does anyone here reject a Church simply based on the fact that they don't call themselves IFB? They have a name like "Open Door Fellowship" and they teach and preach just like solid IFBaptist, but they call themselves independent/non-denominational and don't use the title Baptist at all.
  2. Just stamping "Jesus" on the cover won't make is Christian. That goes for anything, including people's flesh. When I mention a record company for Jesus I am talking about one that will be favorable to fundamental Churches since it's built for Jesus Christ and not the world.
  3. How do you discern rock music actually is music?
  4. I agree that many other factors can be used regarding the study of Christian Pop and it's place in the believers life.
  5. In regards to the topic about Contemporary Music bringing great change to a Church, it's my assumption that the negative influence is because of the direct link it has to the world. Bricks, mortar, pews, lights and other needed things to make a congregating place possible are not the same as the actual materials used to worship God. Materials should be created by a Godly person. If you found out your Sunday School material was created by Playboy you wouldn't use it. All I am saying is that Godly music can be purchased from companies with God in their mission statement. Sony, WB, Columbia and the others don't have Godly people on their board of directors and when they look at the bottom line it's all about money. not creating materials for people to worship with. The songs are created to sell. The artist are mini-gods to many. This is a far cry from shopping at WalMart, or using electricity. It's about the minds and hearts behind what Churches sing. I fail to see where I am wrong here. I don't like to visit restaurants that serve beer and wine, but I note that they are not conducting business for "Christians" .... they are worldly and serve the world. We are in the world, but not of it. Clearly, we will not be around Christians and Christian companies all the time. I work at a non-Christian company. The Bible we read and preach from is the Word of God. It wasn't written to become a best seller and then used in our Churches. It was written to guide the hearts of mankind. I assume most on this forum are against CCM and prOBably use hymn books and music in your church created from Sacred Music Services or Majesty Musicc .... both Godly companies not compromising. One final note. Some might know Ricky Skaggs. He started Skaggs Family Records (to sell Bluegrass music) and isn't hooked up with any major label. Now I totally reject his music and stands, but he does show that one can be separate from the big record companies and not conform to their standards. He has a catalog, made deals to sell online, and yes he uses the world to shelve his product. But, at least the heart of the operation is from a man who wants to sell Bluegrass. What a blessing it would be if the saved of the Lord would start a record company and sell music for Church and Home that is nothing but music for God. God would bless such an effort. Once again, God walks away from Churches that bring in the world. Bible clearly teaches not to get wisdom from this world. CCM in many shapes and forms is the world candy coated as "Christian"
  6. I believe leadership should know and consider this when making music purchases. How would you like it if you found out Sony was behind your worship music unto God? They made money off it?
  7. They should know the associations. And it's with the associations that it becomes clear why churches suffer with so-called CCM. You can't mix the world with Church. If the sales suffer on a CD the artist is cut, song won't be featured at worship service. If the song is popular it's sung in Church. It's all music business and sheet music is sold still fueling ungodly artist on the same label. Churches sing many of the "top 10" Praise and Worship songs. Just like the radio plays them also. It's all about popularity, business, numbers and money. If it's ministry they are fooled. CCM kills silently.
  8. Provident Label Group (so-called Christian music label) is a standalone operating divisions of Sony Music Entertainment. http://providentpress.com/ shows some of their popular artist as Casting Crowns, Leeland, Third Day, Jars of Clay, Michael W. Smith .... and more. At the bottom of the website it states clearly "© 2010 Provident Label Group LLC, a unit of SONY MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT. All Rights Reserved." I don't understand how any Church could use music published by Sony Music. You see, Sony also owns Columbia/Epic Label Group and some of their artist are listed as AC/DC, Aerosmith, Beastie Boys, Neil Diamond, The Rolling Stones .... and more. Not to mention, Sony Pictures Entertainment is on their roll also .... some really ungodly movies come out of that mess. Some rated NC-17. Sparrow Records (so-called Christian) is a division of EMI. Sparrow Records currently has signed on Steven Curtis Chapman, Amy Grant, Bethany Dillon, Amy Grant, Matthew West ... and more. I don't understand how any Church could use music published by EMI. You see, EMI also owns Capitol Music Group. Capital has on their roll Garth Brooks, The Beach Boys, Tina Turner and they distribute Apple Records (The Beatles) .... and more. Fact is. Most Christian Pop musicians are making money for the WORLD. They use the WORLDS system to distribute and market music. I see no reason why they couldn't at least start a Christian label that doesn't connect with the world. No wonder their music is just like the worlds, they are yoked with the world. Churches sing "Praise" music right? Ok. Who writes a bunch of it? One such guy would be Chris Tomlin. He is currently signed to EMI's sixstepsrecords .... So, when Churches hold hands and sing "How Great Is Our God" or "Indescribable" they sing music connected to John Lennon. Together they make/made people rich. How can such Godly music live together with ungodly? It CAN'T!!!!!!!!!! How can such ungodly record labels be credited for spreading the gospel? They DON'T!!!!!!!!! It's MONEY MAKING BUSINESS and so-called Churches are buying into it. Makes me sick.
  9. Provident Label Group is a standalone operating divisions of Sony Music Entertainment. http://providentpress.com/ shows some of their popular artist as Casting Crowns, Leeland, Third Day, Jars of Clay, Michael W. Smith .... and more. At the bottom of the website it states clearly "© 2010 Provident Label Group LLC, a unit of SONY MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT. All Rights Reserved." I don't understand how any Church could use music published by Sony Music. You see, Sony also owns Columbia/Epic Label Group and some of their artist are listed as AC/DC, Aerosmith, Beastie Boys, Neil Diamond, The Rolling Stones .... and more. Sparrow Records is a division of EMI. Sparrow Records currently has signed on Steven Curtis Chapman, Amy Grant, Bethany Dillon, Amy Grant, Matthew West ... and more. I don't understand how any Church could use music published by EMI. You see, EMI also owns Capitol Music Group. Capital has on their roll Garth Brooks, The Beach Boys, Tina Turner and they distribute Apple Records (The Beatles) .... and more. Fact is. Most Christian Pop musicians are making money for the WORLD. Churches sing "Praise" music right? Ok. Who writes a bunch of it? One such guy would be Chris Tomlin. He is currently signed to EMI's sixstepsrecords .... So, when Churches hold hands and sing "How Great Is Our God" or "Indescribable" they sing music connected to John Lennon. Together they make people rich. How can such Godly music live together with ungodly?
  10. I do believe I might look into that book. Thanks for the recommendation.
  11. If the critics to rock/pop music are correct then the satanic beat clearly would influence your mind. I have heard many say that rock/pop music makes you buy things without thinking. I don't know personally. I have long since removed rock/pop/country/bluegrass/Christian Pop/Gospel music from my life and listen to mostly certain classical and hymns at home or in the car. When I do encounter a POP song in the store it does excite me internally. If the beat is demonic then anything is possible. Music waves go into the air .... could this be the "Power of the Air" the Bible talks about?
  12. You have given me much to think about. When we started visiting our current IFB Church we were encouraged to become members. We were asked if we ever were baptized. At the time I just said yes, but since then I have shared with my pastor I was baptized by a non-IFB pastor (the pastor of my childhood church). We never were asked to believe the Church's doctrinal statement and right now I'm not certain the Church has one (now that you mention it). It seems IFB Churches/pastors believe differently. Some (like the IFB Church my dad went to) view Pentecostal Holiness churches and Freewill Baptist as completely useless and unscriptural, while others see them as okay but doctrinally off in some minor details. I can remember Oliver B Greene stating he had no prOBlem fellowshipping with all sorts of denominations as long as they believed in salvation by faith, no works. I was taught that "another Jesus" would be one that asked you to come to the cross another way besides faith (works). A Biblical example would be those who said law+faith was needed for salvation. My personal testimony is simple. When I was in the first grade I started crying in class, the teacher asked what was wrong and it became clear I wanted to accept Jesus as my savior. She took me to another man and he went over salvation and I asked Jesus into my heart. All my life since then I have depended on God for salvation because the Bible said all I needed was to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. I was baptized a few months after my first grade confession. My mom and dad didn't teach me doctrinal truths much and after I got married my wife and I joined a IFB Church. Things didn't go well so we ended up in a Calvinistic Church. We left after learning more about election, attended Church of the Open Door in Westminster (55min ride) for awhile, and then we found an IFB Church closer to our house (we are still attending this church). All this time I have tried to understand and believe set doctrine, but it has been hard. After so many Churches (and audio preaching) I am confused. I am amazed at how sometimes a visiting preacher contradicts my own pastor. I am open to understand the Bible alone, but I need guidance. I read words and don't know their true meaning. I seek help from men who are preachers and teachers only to see they contradict (leaving me to choose). I am told at my Church to just serve God more, don't ask questions but believe things by faith, and my one talent (singing with guitar) was smashed at our current Church when I was showed it was unholy. I have sold my old guitars (except one I keep to sing songs with the kids at home) and removed all CCM, bluegrass, gospel music from my house so that we can honer God and not have the world. We don't watch TV except a good movie here and there. But, my current pastor believe guitars don't have a place in the Church. We homeschool. We know that God wants us to be holy and not conformed to this world and we are working on that for fellowship with Him. We pray and read the Bible. We do it all for God and to have fellowship with Him. Still. Understanding doctrines and explaining them to others is hard. I am sick of Churches playing games with people. Some people really want to grow, and most of our Church friends are so worldly we have a hard time getting along. Everything at Church is service oriented. Join choir, tithe, help with building projects, clean church .... but nOBody really works to study together and understand the Bible. I have learned after two years at this current Church that the people are all on a different page. It's amazing what they believe. It's not about us, but Christ!!!!!!!!!! I believe I just have an understanding inside, but just not verbal. Almost like I can't express truth. Many times I say something (like the post about repentance)and it comes out wrong, but inside I know God saved me by his grace. Almost like i don't know the magic words to describe what is inside me. I have found my songs written did good at describing Biblical truth, but sadly that is demonic. Maybe. I guess so since my pastor showed me that yoking with the world is a sin. Forgive the scattered nature of this message.
  13. Many have already helped me here. I am impressed with the complete calmness on this site and nOBody is interested in insults! AMEN! My prOBlem is too many different doctrines floating in my mind. I can't find rest in the truth when I see it. I always seem to second guess it.
  14. What do you believe/think about re-baptism? When my father first step foot into a IFB Church he was open to being apart of the fellowship. Because of his background (mostly what I already shared earlier in this thread) he was told he needed to be re-baptized. He didn't take that very well and left the fellowship. He didn't see a need to reboot his faith in such a manner. My dad didn't teach my daughter anything when he baptized her. He just asked if she believed Jesus died for her sins and he baptized her in Jesus Name. Just as scripture illustrates. My wife and children believe they are eternally secure in their salvation (and not because of baptism). Since I am my fathers child I have held to the understanding you can give up the faith - but lately I think I could be wrong about that .....
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