Auburn88

James Ach was right about you.

And I was right about you.

I told you once to drop it (before you said you made your point)...and you kept it up. Man, you just have to have the last word, don't you. Even when someone's trying to be nice.

Really? That's what passes for "nice" around here, huh?

Look, Auburn, I'm sorry that you've had bad experiences. I really am.  It is wrong to treat each other in a hateful manner. 

Then stop.

I wasn't trying to goad you into anything. If you had just ceded to my request and not begun arguing

Actually, I told you twice that I felt I made my point and was finished. You insisted on bringing it up again.

It's interesting that you received messages that people liked your posts, and yet none are "liked" publicly.  

Well, keep in mind that I hadn't yet revealed myself as Satan Incarnate (aka a Calvinist).

Incidentally, I've recently started posting on CARM. Funny, but the Finneyists are the only ones there who are rude and obnoxious (and the atheists, of course, but they're that way with everybody). So it's not just here. I guess it's universal among Finneyists.

Sometimes beginning with a combative spirit tends to lead to no real good discussions.  Perhaps if you were less combative you wouldn't feel like people treat you like garbage.

Yeah, that must be it. I must have just been combative when I admitted that I hold to Reformed theology. That must be what made you act this way!

Thanks for clearing that up.

Is that also why one of your fellows followed me to BaptistBoard to not only attack me, but to go after my wife and family?

Incidentally, if I was being as combative as you now claim (and, remember, you're the same person who kept trying to goad me into an argument, even after I told you two times that I felt I had made my point and was finished), then why did I keep getting messages saying that people liked my posts?

Sorry about that.

So am I. I gave up any hope of fellowship long ago. Now, I just post here to kill time between vendors.

I extended a hand of friendship when I first came here and you guys pretended to accept it for a while. Then, I made the mistake of revealing myself as one of those big, bad, evil monergists.

I gave up on fellowship long ago. Now I just post to threads as they interest me to kill time waiting for vendors.

See, you've obviously learned something about at least two people here!

Okay, who or what is a "Finneyist" and I've never said I'm okay with anyone making untrue statements. Again, if you bothered to learn some about individuals here you would understand more.

And which, "individual" would that be? One of the individuals who treats me like garbage because I affirm Reformed theology? One of the individuals who treats me like garbage because I like rock music?

I'll take that as a "Yes".

You can take it any way you want to. I don't care anymore.

At this point, I know there's no hope of fellowship or, God forbid, acceptance as a brother in Christ, so I'm more or less just posting to kill time between vendors.

Auburn, are you here just to stir up strife? Because that is certainly how your posts appear.

Honestly? After all the skubalon you've heaped upon me, you'd be stunned by how much I don't care what  you think of me.

If you would stop lumping everyone here together it might help.

 

Why? Which one of you has come to my defense?

 

And yet, you seem to be OK with the Finneyists making untrue statements.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

I don't think we are arguing, at least I have no intent of arguing, but we are discussing the matter.

 

If the discussion were to become an argument I would be in agreement with you that such is unproductive.

 

Along these lines, it really grieves my heart to see so many "false converts" who believe they are good with God because someone convinced them being baptized would get them into heaven, or because someone told them if they just repeated a "sinners prayer" they would be heaven bound, or because they repeated a prayer with a TV preacher or they joined a church. These folks now feel secure in their final destination and are hardened to the truth.

 

At the same time I cringe when I hear a street preacher or "soul winner" who is using the Word of God as a bludgeon against the lost. They typically speak loud, sometimes yelling, appear angry and often do a lot of pointing at the lost as they denounce them as wicked sinners and tell them they are going to hell because they are drinking a beer, smoking a cigarette, cussing or whatever other obvious sin they are exhibiting. These sorts tend to create an atmosphere of antagonism which drives the lost away, hardening their hearts.

 

It's so important we help the lost to recognize their own sinfulness and need of salvation and then to present the way of salvation clearly, all done in love and kindness, with the hope they will allow the Holy Ghost to work in their heart to bring them to Christ.

 

What a dreadful thought that I may have said or done something that would harden a lost souls heart.

Did it ever occur to you that the reason we speak loudly is that we're trying to communicate with a large group of people and must speak so that they can hear us over traffic, radios, and other city noises?

Oh, wait. I forgot. We Calvinists don't evangelize.

So you know the people on this board are not involved in carrying out the great commission? How do you know what all of us are doing? Why don't you believe what many of us have posted regarding our involvement in such?

Actually, I've been told several times here that those of us who hold to a Reformed understanding of the Gospel don't believe in evangelism or the Great Commission. So you get no sympathy from me.

As far as I can tell with the tools available to me, Auburn88 has only one account.

Thank you. Case closed.

Ummm...I can't speak for the moderators, but if they aren't responding it's probably because I NEVER MADE A CHARGE! LOL It is something you made a big deal out of ON ANOTHER FORUM and BROUGHT IT HERE, so there's nothing for them to investigate. 

 

But, just look at how you started your comment, by calling my father Satan. I'm pretty sure that not only is that against the OB rules, but is quite un-Christian, and says everything in support of the accusations against you for being vitriolic, and with that being said, I'll let Matt handle it from here.

Ummm...I can't speak for the moderators, but if they aren't responding it's probably because I NEVER MADE A CHARGE!

 

I see. So then, in post #15 of this thread, you didn't say:

 

"I and several others have our suspicions that Auburn has more than one account."

 

Incidentally, you're lying again.

 

For instance, you go on to say "When he first commented me on the thread about "New Argument Againsts Calvinism" Post 29, he used a pejorative jab referring to me as a Catholic."

 

Not only did I not make a "pejorative jab", I never referred to you as a Catholic.

 

What's more, I've never "criticize the believers on OB for being "unkind" "judgmental" "unchristian" because we disagree with Calvinism."

 

To the contrary, I have a great many friends who disagree with Calvinism and are some of the most polite, respectful, and Christlike people you'll ever meet. My criticism of you and your clique was never about your theology, but about your behavior toward those who disagree with you.

 

And, finally, I have to say that I find it amusing that first, you criticize me for not posting enough but now, you're criticizing me for posting too much.

 

Do you know what the Bible says about a double minded man?

Auburn, your accusation of Dr Ach being of the devil is uncalled for.

 

Why?

 

Please show your evidence for this claim.

As to the moderators doing anything, they will.  Maybe you need to cool off before their actions are directed toward you.

I hope they will. I want to be exhonorated and ach exposed for the liar that he so clearly is.

I didn't deem it necessary to even bother responding to this because I have refused to allow members like this to interrupt the cohesiveness of believers on this forum. The atmosphere on this forum is pleasant, productive and fruitful. There are many different views on here and sometimes debates get heated, but everyone here has made a habit of holding each other accountable, and at OB, we have a fellowship here that works.

 

The atmosphere of BB is vitriolic, spiteful, vengeful, some racism,and is antagonist toward those who do not agree with Calvinism. It is an experience that all of the Non Calvinist have complained about and they have recently begun to "fight back" to the point where it is being referred to as a forum revolution blamed on me.

 

Evidence was shown here, and on the other forum of Auburn88's tactics, and he was shown to be the instigator. I can show links on the BB where Auburn has degraded me on threads that I didn't even participate on. And it is clear that his intention is to cause strife and discord in an attempt to interrupt the cohesiveness of like-minded believers who are in agreement against doctrines that he doesn't approve of.

 

On the BB, the mods did not and have not reprimanded me, they did not close MY thread but someone elses, and the "stern warning" from the admin there was directed at EVERY ONE, not just one person in particular. But, why that is somehow relevant to this forum to me shows the true spirit behind Auburn's intentions. If he truly wanted a moderator to prove he had only one account, he could have PM'd Matt to ask for such instead of making a public spectacle out of an issue that he is angry about on another forum. 

 

I personally would have never raised the issue had Auburn not mentioned my posts and actions on this forum where he attempted to convince others on the BB that I "act like an Arminian" on the OB. This entire fiasco is a caricature created by Auburn, and then when he thought he provoked the response he was looking for, he attempted to play the victim. It didn't work when he tried it here, so then he began to throw my name all over the BB, as I said, in posts that I was not even a part of and of which had nothing to do with me. (I will provide proof of this to anyone that asks in a PM, including Mods if they want to see it).

 

I and several others have our suspicions that Auburn has more than one account. When he first commented me on the thread about "New Argument Against Calvinism" Post 29, he used a pejorative jab referring to me as a Catholic. Mind you, I had never previously had ANY interaction with him, nor on BB, nor any other forum. This was his very FIRST comment to me. At the time, his account had 10 posts on it. Ten posts in the 3 years he has had the account. It now has 139 posts since he has used it often to ridicule Non Calvinists on here and criticize the believers on OB for being "unkind" "judgmental" "unchristian" because we disagree with Calvinism.

 

Having multiple accounts like that serves a good purpose from someone who wants to continue debating with their regular account without risking it being banned, by usurping the flow of threads with a "throw away" account.

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Is being accused of having more than one account under such circumstances the worst possible accusation that could be levied against Auburn? He seems to think so. But one thing is clear, and I can prove it, and others have already seen the evidence for themselves and weighed in on the matter, that Auburn88, regardless of who he is, started the conflict me, and is not satisfied that I have chosen to ignore him on THIS forum and thus has endeavored to find underhanded ways to try getting under my skin to provoke me here. I refuse to allow him to provoke me here in an attempt to turn the OB into a free-for-all that he is used to on other forums. 

In other words, you lied. Just like your father, the Father or Lies, you lied.

Where is your evidence that I have "numerous accounts"? What are the names on these alleged accounts? If what you're saying is true, then why aren't the moderators and administrators taking your charges seriously?

The only basis you seem to have for your slander and false witness is that I allegedly only had three posts in ten years. How is that evidence?

That's not unreasonable at all. This board has very few members (most likely because people passing by see hateful little trolls like you and decide to  skip it). You do realize, don't you, that there are entire forums on this message board that don't receive new posts for weeks or even months at a time.

You, yourself, don't even respond to them. So, given that most of them, I don't find interesting enough to post to in the first place. So why is it that unreasonable that I don't post here as often as some others? Is it really damning evidence to you that I have a life outside of the internet? Tthat I'm not such a social pariah that people in the real world actually want to interact with me? If you can't imagine a life away from message boards, then you need to see a doctor about that.

Bottom line: Even the moderators aren't taking your charges seriously.

And all they have is yours.

And all they have is yours.

 

 

Yes, and mine is that it's not true.

The thing about investigating does not necessarily mean you don't have more than one account. 

The mods or administrators would have to know other factors as well.  For instance, if you change your ISP, your IP also changes... which means a different IP.  One could sign up under one name and then change IP's and sign up under an entirely different name without being detected.   Or, signing on using a different name while visiting a different location, such as a hospital or library.

Am I accusing you of doing such?  Not at all.  I am just pointing out the fact that one can put multiple names on a board without being detected using several methods.

Maybe. But I would rather know if they believe I have one or not. Unfortunately, all I have is their word.

Sounds like from your OP the other board is the issue.

Not at all. He's been dealt with on the other board.

What I'm doing is bringing his complaint here to ask the moderators to investigate it and, if warranted, to punish my alleged violation of the rules.

That seems fair, doesn't it? I mean, I'm not above the rules, am I? If his accusation is true, shouldn't it be addressed?

Regardless, if BroMatt reads the post, he will see that accusations were first made toward Dr Ach by Auburn.  Why is Auburn complaining when he was the original accusing party?

Even if that were true, I'm not complaining. I'm just asking a question.

Don't you think it's reasonable of me to want to know if I'm breaking the rules by having these alleged "numerous accounts"?

I think we should wait to hear from Dr. James Ach's side of the story. Sounds like the OP wants him banned from both websites.

No, not at all. I just want the mods to investigate me to tell me whether or not I have more than one account here.

I know I don't, but I would like their decision as evidence.

And, besides, whether I want him banned from BaptistBoard is a moot point at this point, as he's probably going to be banned, anyway. He's already had two threads closed and a stern rebuke from the mods.

A word about repentance: it has been long disputed, (and will no doubt continue to be), whether we should encourage them to repent of their sin before they call upon the Lord for salvation, but at the time they decide to trust Christ as their Savior, they have a change of heart, and that is repentance.  The Gospel is what saves men, and repentance may not be considered the Gospel per se.
 

Wait a second. Repentence isn't part of the Gospel?

Have you contacted the other board webmaster about this? Also can you PM me a link to the board?

I'm more concerned about disproving his claims that I have "numerous accounts" on OB.

The other board isn't an issue. He's about to be banned from there, anyway.

On another message board, "Dr"JamesAch is falsely claiming that I have "numerous accounts" here.

Obviously, what our false witness bearing friend says elsewhere is not your problem.

However, if what he is saying is true (and, like all the other accusations he's made toward me, it's not), then that would a violation of OB rules.

Would you please investigate this and tell us whether or not I have any other accounts?

Even those in the military who wear some form of Mohawk do so out of rebellion and pride.

 

In America a Mohawk only sends a worldly message, never a Christian one.

I think that's subjective. If that's the message you take away from mohawks, then I think you have an obligation not to get a mohawk.