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  1. Then it didn't come first by definition. This is not the faith that comes from God. You've placed your own repentance and beliefs (your own faith) before God, and this is a false gospel. But God did it all himself, its a free gift. We love him because He first loved us. "Godly sorrow works revenge"
  2. The boasting and argument is because you've made your salvation dependent on your belief works I think, and not the Rock. Satan sometimes does that to believers too, but they can't lose their salvation, just be really confused for a time. At the moment you do all that, you've created an idol in your heart. You don't do anything. God saves us Himself, and he gives us the faith, not ourselves. You can't come to that place. You can't admit. You can't see that. You can't put trust in Jesus, and God will save who He wants no matter how many witchcraft forumulas you give, because faith is only from Him. Because thats all it is, a way to require God to save you, instead of knowing that God has saved you because God loves you. You can't take love. I've been saved a long time, but you've been increasingly boasting against me. The bible says: Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. This boasting comes in when its not believed its just a gift of God, and you have to do something yourself. But God did it all himself, its a free gift. We love him because He first loved us. "Godly sorrow works revenge"
  3. You can stop using Sir as a means of insult, it is hypocritical. I didn't need to use sir to point out that you are wrong to do that. I stopped reading your messages closely when its apparent you weren't reading mine closely. If you weren't quoting Paul's similar admonishment, then I am sorry I misread it. You misquoted my message however, and therefore have misread it. I said Jesus *already* paid the price for your sins, before you even knew him. And that we love God because he first loved us. You seem not to understand that. That you think you have to repent of your sins first before you know it, that it is something you do, and repenting of something you have already been forgiven for is not understanding you already have been forgiven of it. It is not of ourselves, but God, so that no one can boast. You didn't save yourself if you are saved, and God loved you first. You didn't have to do anything, its a free gift.
  4. We love God, because He first loved us. Jesus Christ already paid the price for your sins on the cross, before you even knew him.
  5. Although you are beginning to sound more like what I have been saying the whole time, you are still not right. First, you quote what devils believe so much, but the prOBlem is, this isn't a good witness for others. People aren't devils, and while fallen angels in this world may know all these things, many people do not. Futhermore, devils can't be saved. Lastly, devils also know they are sinners. And most sinners actually know they are sinners too. They may be ignorant of how much but that is because they haven't known the love of God. Also, you may have many beliefs in your heart - but God needs to have put it there. A belief may be wrong, although it is in the heart. That repentance is according to you now an ongoing process means that repenting of sins by the believer is therefore not part of the one time thing done when a believer is born again. Repenting of sins is an ongoing work of the Holy Spirit. We come to know God's love, and we become aware of our sins. Knowing God's love also is not our work either. We loved him because he first loved us. A lot of people have been arguing about belief and if it is enough, but the bible says that the faith isn't ours that no one should boast. IT IS THAT BOASTING I suggest that is the cause of all arguments like this that you see online. The boasting and argumentation is an indication that people don't agree that the faith wasn't from themselves. The boasting over salvation is an indication that you may not be saved, and I don't mean that personally. I have noted maybe dozens of arguments like this over various aspects of the salvation process, but isn't it all boasting of sorts? If it is God that gives you the faith, it also isn't your belief in the heart but HIS. Where is the argument and boasting? We love him because He first loved us.
  6. Bible verses? Having an unbiblical definition of repentance is as much heresy and changing the bible as anything. I've posted a whole thread on repentance, as well as the actual greek word. God repents maybe 60 times in the bible without counting. I'm using the word repent as it is actually used in the bible. Also, the appeal to emotion and accusation instead of the bible is not a Christian discussion. Many Christians have said the same thing. The heresy you are being mislead to believe in is called Lordship salvation. Meaning, if you don't work enough at being a servant, Jesus isn't your Lord. This is unbiblical. Believing that you are justly headed to hell, and God has judged fairly in this matter, is Christian doctrine. But only believing that Jesus Christ paid the price for your sins already is the actual gospel. You can't repent of your sins, you can only be aware that you are going to hell, and even repenting of them doesn't change the fact that God is just, that He created hell, and you are going there. Jesus came to save you from that. And your sins are already paid for on calvary. You are a sinner saved by God's grace. There is only *one* thing that the sinner needs to be saved. Not two. You are not making an agreement with God. God has already promised. You are not adding to God's work. It is God's work. You have not determined in your heart to follow God - because only God's will saves, not yours. You are not repenting of sins when the price has already been paid, which is a denial that it has already been paid. You are going to hell. You know you can not repent of all your sins, and you don't even know them all. If you are not adding to the gospel - name the *one* thing you need, which God gives you. I see a bunch of things you need to do to be saved (paragraph long statements), and it indicates to me lack of faith in God when He says there is only thing that is the work of God. Lets not argue, lets strengthen each other. The lack of faith is caused by the devil when he sows seeds of doubt in your mind, and we all feel it at times. There is no doubt in mind that there is only one thing that is the work of God.
  7. The logic follows the other way as well. If repent means to believe the gospel, then you added a work, so if it is a gift, then adding the other must not be the true gospel. All these religions believe in repentance. You must differentiate yourself. You have all failed to do so. It is not my jOB to understand for you. Explain the difference, or appear as you do - people who do not know the difference. You teach as the world teaches. Repentance (of sins) is common in the world - but Jesus Christ has already paid the price. Water can't wash away sin. Only the blood of Jesus.
  8. The sorrow of the world produces death. And its all repentance too, but not the one thing you need to do.
  9. I am aware that the churches are now filled with people who are mockers, practice witchcraft, and directly talk to satan. That the churches of satan are filled with the devil possessed, the spell caster, the liar, the abominable, and the homosexual. Remove yourselve from them. God is going to judge them. Come out of the harlot churches, and do not be mixed up with them any longer, because God is going to avenge Himself. Presbyterians graceonlinelibrary.org hwww.reformed.org Westminster Confession of Faith (1646) "There is no other head of the church but the Lord Jesus Christ: nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God." ________________________________________ Baptists www.grace.org.uk/faith/bc1689/ www.spurgeon.org/~phil/creeds/bcof.htm Baptist Confession of Faith 1689 26.4 The Lord Jesus Christ is the head of the church. In him is vested, by the appointment of the Father in a supreme and sovereign manner, all authority for the calling, institution, order and government of the church.1 The Pope of Rome cannot in any sense be the head of the church, but he is the antichrist, that 'man of lawlessness', and 'son of destruction', who exalts himself in the church against Christ and all that is called God, whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.2 (1) Col 1:18; Eph 4:11-16; 1:20-23; 5:23-32; 1Co 12:27-28; Joh 17:1-3; Mat 28:18-20; Act 5:31; Joh 10:14-16 (2) 2Th 2:2-9 ________________________________________ Congregational (Puritans) http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/creeds3.v.i.i.html The Savoy Declaration 1658 "There is no other head of the Church but the Lord Jesus Christ; nor can the Pope of Rome in any sense be head thereof; but it (he) is that Antichrist, that man of sin and son of perdition that exalteth himself in the Church against Christ, and all that is called God, whom the Lord shall destroy with the brightness of His coming." ________________________________________ Methodists John Wesleys Commentaries John Wesley’s commentaries on the bible, 2 Thessalonians 2 John Wesley is the founder of the Methodists ”2:3 .. Unless the falling away - From the pure faith of the gospel, come first. This began even in the apostolic age. But the man of sin, the son of perdition - Eminently so called, is not come yet. However, in many respects, the Pope has an indisputable claim to those titles. He is, in an emphatical sense, the man of sin, as he increases all manner of sin above measure. And he is, too, properly styled, the son of perdition, as he has caused the death of numberless multitudes, both of his opposers and followers, destroyed innumerable souls, and will himself perish everlastingly. He it is that opposeth himself to the emperor, once his rightful sovereign; and that exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped - Commanding angels, and putting kings under his feet, both of whom are called gods in scripture; claiming the highest power, the highest honour; suffering himself, not once only, to be styled God or vice - god. Indeed no less is implied in his ordinary title, "Most Holy Lord," or, "Most Holy Father." So that he sitteth - Enthroned. In the temple of God - Mentioned Revelation 11:1.Declaring himself that he is God - Claiming the prerogatives which belong to God alone. 2:6 And now ye know - By what I told you when I was with you. That which restraineth - The power of the Roman emperors. When this is taken away, the wicked one will be revealed. In his time - His appointed season, and not before. “ (I quoted it to 2:6 to show that Wesley believed in a historical church history approach, and that it also contradicts other claims by the apostate church.) ________________________________________ Lutherans Smalcald Articles, confession of faith written in 1537 by Martin Luther http://www.bookofconcord.org/smalcald.html http://web.archive.org/web/20071013031852/http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/wittenberg/wittenberg-boc.html#sa Article IV: Of the Papacy 10] This teaching shows forcefully that the Pope is the very Antichrist, who has exalted himself above, and opposed himself against Christ because he will not permit Christians to be saved without his power, which, nevertheless, is nothing, and is neither ordained nor commanded by God. 11] This is, properly speaking to exalt himself above all that is called God as Paul says, 2 Thess. 2, 4. Even the Turks or the Tartars, great enemies of Christians as they are, do not do this, but they allow whoever wishes to believe in Christ, and take bodily tribute and OBedience from Christians. Article IV: Of the Papacy 14] [...] Lastly, it is nothing else than the devil himself, because above and against God he urges [and disseminates] his [papal] falsehoods concerning masses, purgatory, the monastic life, one's own works and [fictitious] divine worship (for this is the very Papacy [upon each of which the Papacy is altogether founded and is standing]), and condemns, murders and tortures all Christians who do not exalt and honor these abominations [of the Pope] above all things. Therefore, just as little as we can worship the devil himself as Lord and God, we can endure his apostle, the Pope, or Antichrist, in his rule as head or lord. For to lie and to kill, and to destroy body and soul eternally, that is wherein his papal government really consists, as I have very clearly shown in many books. ________________________________________ Calvanists John Calvin's Institutues of the Christian Religion http://web.archive.org/web/20071013031852/http://www.ccel.org/ccel/calvin/institutes.iv.iv.viii.html?bcb=0 7. Of the Beginning and Rise of the Romish Papacy, till it attained a height by which the Liberty of the Church was destroyed, and all true Rule overthrown. To the dishonest arts of Boniface succeeded fouler frauds devised in more modern times, and expressly condemned by Gregory and Bernard. sec. 19-21. V. The Papacy at length appeared complete in all its parts, the seat of Antichrist. Its impiety, execrable tyranny, and wickedness, portrayed, sec. 23-30. [...] 25. To some we seem slanderous and petulant, when we call the Roman Pontiff Antichrist. But those who think so perceive not that they are bringing a charge of intemperance against Paul, after whom we speak, nay, in whose very words we speak. But lest any one OBject that Paul’s words have a different meaning, and are wrested by us against the Roman Pontiff, I wil1 briefly show that they can only be understood of the Papacy. Paul says that Antichrist would sit in the temple of God (2 Thess. 2:4). In another passage, the Spirit, portraying him in the person of Antiochus, says that his reign would be with great swelling words of vanity (Dan. 7:25). Hence we infer that his tyranny is more over souls than bodies, a tyranny set up in opposition to the spiritual kingdom of Christ. Then his nature is such, that he abolishes not the name either of Christ or the Church, but rather uses the name of Christ as a pretext, and lurks under the name of Church as under a mask. But though all the heresies and schisms which have existed from the beginning belong to the kingdom of Antichrist, yet when Paul foretells that defection will come, he by the description intimates that that seat of abomination will be erected, when a kind of universal defection comes upon the Church, though many members of the Church scattered up and down should continue in the true unity of the faith. But when he adds, that in his own time, the mystery of iniquity, which was afterwards to be openly manifested, had begun to work in secret, we thereby understand that this calamity was neither to be introduced by one man, nor to terminate in one man (see Calv. in 2 Thess. 2:3; Dan. 7:9). Moreover, when the mark by which he distinguishes Antichrist is, that he would rOB God of his honour and take it to himself, he gives the leading feature which we ought to follow in searching out Antichrist; especially when pride of this description proceeds to the open devastation of the Church. Seeing then it is certain that the Roman Pontiff has impudently transferred to himself the most peculiar properties of God and Christ, there cannot be a doubt that he is the leader and standard-bearer of an impious and abominable kingdom. ________________________________________ King James Bible (preface) http://web.archive.org/web/20071013031852/http://mb-soft.com/believe/txh/KJavpref.htm Preface to the King James Bible, 1611 …And this their contentment doth not diminish or decay, but every day increaseth and taketh strength, when they OBserve, that the zeal of Your Majesty toward the house of God doth not slack or go backward, but is more and more kindled, manifesting itself abroad in the farthest parts of Christendom, by writing in defence of the Truth, (which hath given such a blow unto that man of sin, as will not be healed,) […] For when Your Highness had once, out of deep judgment, apprehended how convenient it was, that, out of the Original sacred Tongues, together with comparing of the labours, both in our own and other foreign languages, of many worthy men who went before us, there should be one more exact translation of the Holy Scriptures into the English Tongue; Your Majesty did never desist to urge and to excite those to whom it was commended, that the Work might be hastened, and that the business might be expedited in so decent a manner, as a matter of such importance might justly require. […] “…acceptance of our labours shall more honour and encourage us, than all the calumniations and hard interpretations of other men shall dismay us. So that if, on the one side, we shall be traduced by Popish Persons at home or abroad, who therefore will malign us, because we are poor instruments to make God's holy Truth to be yet more and more known unto the people, whom they desire still to keep in ignorance and darkness;” William Tyndale was murdered at the stake by the Roman Catholic church for his work in translating the bible. 90% of the new testament in the King James version is still William Tyndale's translation. William Tyndale prayed when he was burning at the stake; “Lord, open the eyes of the King of England”. The King James Bible was the answer to that prayer. http://www.williamtyndale.com/0biblehistory.htm
  10. The time to mock God's people has come to an end. God has fulfilled His word.
  11. You've brought in the heresy of Lordship baptism, you tried to get people to believe satanism isn't as bad as it sounds on another thread, and now you are scourning. Sir, you have no fellowship with me in my heart, and the attempt not to praise God here I have noted. I give the praise to GOD ALMIGHTY that He makes His prophecy so detailed, that when you look at it more and more, it gets more and more detailed. Holy is the Lord God Almighty, and Holy is His Word. http://home.fuse.net/gospel/pope%20mass%20with%20cup.jpg That is the whore's golden communion cup, which is always golden in the Roman Catholic church. Communion is the same word as excommunicate, which is how the saints were always killed, they were excommunicated, and the cup of the great whore and all her harlot daughters literally has blood in it. All their harlotries, all their excommunications. Drink up your fill John. Let all God's children say Amen to God's prophecy and God's word which He has made true. Revelation 1 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. Revelation 22 18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
  12. It says repent of certain sins some places. It also talks about repenting of not believing the gospel a lot of places. And it also says God repented a lot of times, but it is not talking about sin there - because God doesn't sin. If we haven't accepted Jesus Christ yet - turning from those sins does us no good, God won't clean us up for repentance. God cleans us up by by the blood of the Lamb! Actually, the letter in Revelation 3:3 says repent and Remember how you have heard and received, and hold fast; as an example of turning from unbelief. That one was just off the top of my head, but it actually is relevant to the topic of the whole thread. Some people needed to have their clothes washed in the blood of the lamb and made white as snow (as you can see later in the book), because they were trying to wash their sins off with something else (ie their works). THAT fyi is in a lot of our gospel songs, and they have good doctrine from the bible: Are you washed in the blood of the Lamb? http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/a/r/aruwashd.htm Nothing but the blood of Jesus http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/n/b/nbtblood.htm There is power in the blood http://www.cyberhymnal.org/htm/t/h/therepow.htm There is a few more I'm forgetting if anyone wants to post. God bless.
  13. That seems nicely put to me. This is what I believe - and I almost finished writing something on it tonight.
  14. This doesn't even need a reply. Go back, humble your message with what is your opinion, that you "think may be true", and facts, while not attacking anyone who is dead or in general terms ie "those people" "mason run churches" etc. It hardly takes a "mason" to be an American who is a patriot. I am hardly a mason, but I know you are wrong. At least if you follow Benjamin Franklin's advice, and be humble how you present your opinion, others will more likely listen to you and feel more like giving you what they actually know is true. Remember the sin of Ham.
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