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  1. . There's an episode in Paul's first letter to the church at Corinth regarding a pew warmer who was sleeping with his father's wife. Shame of shame, the church defended the man and said nothing to him about his conduct. But when Paul got wind of it, he blew his stack and demanded that they unite and ostracize the man. As time went by, the man's attitude changed and then Paul ordered the church to welcome him back into their membership. You know, I see some of that very same thing going on here. People are indignant that I have questioned asysin2leads' divorce. But until his attitude changes, it is my sacred duty to hold his feet to the fire; and all of you should be doing the very same thing. If it's any consolation to some of my critics hereabouts; I have been married to a divorced woman going on 31 years. She's my first and only wife; and the only girl I ever slept with. We have one son who graduated from University Of Oregon in 2005 with a degree in Journalism. Does Mtt 5:31-32 make us adulterers? Yes; no doubt about it. Does Mtt 5:31-32 imply that our son was born in sin? Yes; it most certainly does. You see; I trust the Bible's Christ and sincerely believe he knows what he's talking about. That's all I have to say about that; and this is my final on this particular thread. C.L.I.F.F. /
  2. . It's still denied because it is better to OBey God than men. †. 1Tim 5:20-21 . .Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou OBserve these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. C.L.I.F.F. /
  3. . Was David condemned to eternal suffering for the unpardonable sins of premeditated murder and adultery? Was he condemned to Hell for the unpardonable sin of deliberate sin? No; but I'll tell you something about David. His attitude about it was a world of a difference than the one you've thus far exemplified. C.L.I.F.F. /
  4. . Request Denied. †. 1Tim 5:20-21 . .Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear. I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou OBserve these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. C.L.I.F.F. /
  5. . The sole excuse that the Bible's Christ will accept for divorce is unfaithfulness. †. Mtt 5:31-32 . . It hath been said: Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement. But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery. According to the Bible's Christ; you've caused your ex to live in sin and your current spouse to live in sin; not to mention that you too are living in sin and also fathered three children in sin. In my estimation, your prOBlems with the various English translations are insignificant in comparison to that. May I share a story with you? †. Mtt 14:3-11 . . Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife. For John said unto him: It is not lawful for thee to have her. And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because they counted him as a prophet. . . . But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod. Whereupon he promised with an oath to give her whatsoever she would ask. And she, being before instructed of her mother, said, Give me here John Baptist's head in a charger. . . . And the king was sorry: nevertheless for the oath's sake, and them which sat with him at meat, he commanded it to be given her. And he sent, and beheaded John in the prison. And his head was brought in a charger, and given to the damsel: and she brought it to her mother. Herod's unholy relationship with Herodias cost the life of an innocent man. And just look at the quandary your own kids are in now because of YOUR unholy relationships. They're just kids; but YOU are a Christian adult, educated in a Christian Bible college. Shame on you! C.L.I.F.F. /
  6. . Christianity's Commandments (20) 120) 1Cor 15:34 . . Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. NOTE: Paul's directive is in connection with the Corinthians' ignorance of the fundamentals of resurrection (1Cor 15:12-33) which are labeled elsewhere as baby food. (Heb 5:11-6:3) People who subsist on Gerber's products are "dull of hearing" That doesn't mean they have wax in their ears. It just means that they are too immature to handle certain concepts because they cannot be understood without first understanding something simpler first; for example things like arithmetic. There's no use in trying to teach an infant the principles of long division. That would be about like strapping a parachute on the little guy and expecting him to pull the rip cord on his own at two thousand feet. You just have to be realistic about some things. †. 1Cor 3:1-2 . . And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. The "brethren" in the Corinthian church included its managers; viz: pastors, deacons, elders, and Sunday school teachers. It's not that Corinth's rank and file pew warmers were un-teachable, it's just that their instructors were inept. That's still a prOBlem in churches even to this day. So instead of getting led, those congregations end up being misled. I once attended a Conservative Baptist church here in Oregon where the Sunday school teacher assigned to one of the adult classes was a seminary student. Part of his degree program was to teach a certain number of hours in a real church. Anyway, one morning his text was this: "This I say then: walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh." (Gal 5:16) Mr. Seminary Student commented that he didn't get up that morning with the goal of walking in the Spirit throughout the day primarily because he had no clue how it was done. Thunderstruck at the realization that my wife and I were being led in Sunday school by a man speaking for God who would announce such a thing, I stood up and asked for a show of hands of anyone, or anybody, in the room who was walking in the Spirit that morning. The only response I got in return was a roomful of silent, wide-eyed faces who looked like I'd just announced the end of the world. NOBody was walking in the Spirit, and Mr. Seminary Student was standing off to the side looking as embarrassed as a kid who just soiled his knickers. C.L.I.F.F. /
  7. . Well, I had no idea it was a refutation of Calvanism because you didn't include a statement to that effect. In point of fact, because of your strong emphasis on verse 4; I assumed you were a universalist. It was not my intention to refute any of the so-called five points of Calvanism but rather to refute universalism's philosophy that (1) everybody is God's kin, and (2) nOBody goes to a Hell. 1Tim 2:4-6 is one of their favorite "proof" texts. Ironically, though the universalists with whom I've dialogued believe their proof texts to be Spirit-fathered, they insist that the remainder of the Bible is not, and therefore cannot be trusted. One of their ilk even insisted that the only portion of the entire Bible that's Spirit-fathered are the four Gospels! (chuckle) He really painted himself into a corner with that position since the gospel of John states quite clearly, and without ambiguity, that it's necessary to undergo a second birth as per John 1:12-13 and John 3:3-8 in order to OBtain the right to a place around the table in God's home as His lawful kin. C.L.I.F.F. /
  8. . Christianity's Commandments (19) 115) 1Cor 14:34 . . Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under OBedience, as also saith the law. NOTE: the "law" to which Paul refers is Gen 3:16— "To the woman He said: he shall rule over you" 1Cor 14:33-34 seems to contradict 1Cor 11:3-10 where the author permitted women to pray and/or prophecy in church just so long as they wear something on their hair to indicate a Christian woman's subordination to Christian men. However; there are limits to that privilege. †. 1Tim 2:11-13 . . Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. In other words, men have the primogeniture and therefore it is a disgrace for Christian women to assume equality with Christian men in a Christian church. It never fails that there's always at least one assertive, confrontational female in the crowd impassioned to countermand Paul's instructions with other of Paul's instructions. For example: †. Gal 3:27-28 . . For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. However, Paul is speaking of unity in Gal 3:27-28 while in places like 1Cor 14:34 and 1Tim 2:11-13 he's speaking of authority; and in matters of authority, there is eo ipso limited equality because somebody has to be the superior and somebody has to be the subordinate. In Christian churches; gender-wise, females are the designated subordinates. So then, they have no right to sit on a church board, nor to pastor a church, nor to lead an adult Sunday school class. In point of fact, the women in adult Sunday school classes aren't even so much as permitted to open their mouths and participate in discussions. 116) 1 Cor 14:35 . . And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. NOTE: Christian women are forbidden to participate in spiritual discussions when Christian men are present. So then, what's a Christian wife to do if her Christian husband is spiritually inept? Well, have Mr. Inept pass her question on to somebody who knows a thing or two and then get back to her. If she's married to a non-Christian husband, then she should route her question via one of the Christian women married to a Christian husband; but it's especially important to guard against permitting another man to come between women and their husbands. 117) 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. NOTE: if your Sunday school, or your catechism class, is being captained by somebody who disagrees with Paul; believe me, you have a serious prOBlem because it indicates that your leader is only human rather than inspired. 118) 1Cor 14:38 . . But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant. NOTE: in other words; don't argue with a Bible teacher who's only human; it will just be throwing good money after bad. Instead, leave his/her class to themselves and you get yourself out of there pronto. 119) 1 Cor 14:39-40 . . Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues. Let all things be done decently and in order. NOTE: things like incoherent blabbering, talking out of turn, digression, and impudent women; are neither sensible nor orderly; no, they're chaos, anarchy, bedlam, annoying, rude, disruptive, and on a par with heathenism. †. 1Sam 15:22-23 . . Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in OBeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to OBey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. C.L.I.F.F. /
  9. . I'm going to deliberately misquote the 4th verse. Watch for the error. "Who will save all men." No, God is not going to save all men, though it be His will that all be saved. The Bible's plan of salvation contains the element of decision. In other words, the Bible's God is not like Neanderthals who went about kidnapping women to marry them while caring nothing about how the girls might feel about it. God is unwilling that any should perish, yes; however, it is not His decision to make. It is the sinner's decision. †. Ezk 18:23 . . Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? In the book of Revelation is depicted a scene from the future which John actually saw for himself. In the scene, people are thrown into a reservoir of liquefied flame from which there is no return. The reason there is no return is because the reservoir is clearly labeled a second death (Rev 2:11, Rev 20:6, Rev 20:11-15). That is very important to note because there is only one resurrection allotted per person. †. Dan 12:2 . . And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. †. John 5:28-29 . . Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. I once heard of a preacher who was asked by an inquiring mind what one would have to do to go to Hell. He responded: You don’t have to do anything; just bide your time: Hell is the default. †. John 3:14-15 . . And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. In Num 21:5-9, the people of Israel became weary of eating manna all the time at every meal. But instead of courteously, and diplomatically, petitioning their Lord and Master for a different diet, they became hostile and confrontational, angrily demanding better food. In reply; The Lord sent a swarm of poisonous vipers among them; which began biting and killing people; and every bite was 100% fatal, no exceptions. Then the people realized their mistake and asked Moses to intercede. In reply; The Lord instructed Moses to construct an effigy of the vipers and hoist it up on a pole in plain view so that everyone dying from venom could look upon the effigy for relief. †. 2Cor 5:14 . . we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead The Bible's Jesus did indeed die for all; because all are literally dead men walking. †. Isa 53:6 . . All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned everyone to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. †. 1John 2:2 . . He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. However, the Lord's cross is much like that serpentary effigy in that dead men walking must look to it for relief. Within the context of John 3:14-18, those who fail to look to Jesus' crucifixion to protect themselves from the wrath of God are already condemned to death, no waiting period. So that death in the reservoir isn't the option, no, it's the default— life is the option, and according to Jesus, the majority have not been OBtaining it. †. Luke 13:23-24 . . Then said one unto him: Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. †. Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. †. Mtt 22:14 . .For many are invited, but few are chosen. The million dollar question is: Who gets chosen? Answer: Those who look to the cross for safety from the wrath of God. The rest are in line for the reservoir of liquefied flame even before they cross over to the other side. †. John 3:16-18 . . For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not His son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten son of God. C.L.I.F.F. /
  10. . Christianity's Commandments (18) 113) Cor 14:29 . . Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge. 114) 1Cor 14:30-31 . . If anything be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted. NOTE: that isn't permission to derail a Sunday school class with wild-eyed epiphanies. The directive is restricted to those who actually have the gift of prophecy rather than the gift of gab; in other words: truly inspired individuals. What he's saying is: Sunday school shouldn't be a filibuster. If a truly inspired person seated in the room knows something helpful, they should be allowed to share it with the rest so that everybody (including the teacher) benefits from their Spirit-endowed insight. And it should go without saying; the inspired person's comments should not digress; viz: they should be on-topic; that is: solidly pertinent to the subject at hand. It's all too common for Sunday school classes to go off on tangents and in effect hijack the morning and render it completely disconnected from the leader's agenda. I'm a firm believer in the freedom of speech (and the freedom of the ear) but not to the point of making a nuisance of one's self and infringing on the rights of others. Freedoms are precious blessings that should be utilized wisely by wise people; viz: by grown-ups. †. 1Cor 14:32 . . The spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. Though God endows certain Spirit-selected people in church with the gift of prophecy (1Cor 12:4-11) it is not He who endows them with the impulse to talk out of turn. Self control is their responsibility; not His. †. 1Cor 14:33 . . For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. C.L.I.F.F. /
  11. . PopClock Update (06) 15 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Aug 15, 2010 Using the original factor of 2,260 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests 33,900 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of the current Hell just since beginning the topic. The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 49,942 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 749,130 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking. __________ __________ __________ ___________ NOBel Prize winner, author of several best-selling books, and recipient of at least a dozen honorary degrees, Physicist Steven Weinberg (who views religion as an enemy of science), in his book, The First Three Minutes, wrote: "The more the universe seems comprehensible, the more it seems pointless. But if there is no solace in the fruits of our research, there is at least some consolation in the research itself . . .the effort to understand the universe is one of the very few things that lifts human life a little above the level of a farce and gives it some of the grace of tragedy." If learning is the only justification for existence that Mr. Weinberg can find in this life, then he is certain to feel smothered in the shroud of absolute futility in the Bible's hell since there is nothing to contemplate down there but one's predicament— no more labs, no more test tubes, no more microscopes, no more telescopes, no more earth sciences like geology, soil, oceans, atmosphere, glaciers, and geodesy; no more theories like Big Bang, evolution and special relativity, no more space exploration, no more undersea exploration; nor more engineering: in fact, no more science whatsoever. C.L.I.F.F. /
  12. . Christianity's Commandments (17) 107) 1Cor 14:1a . . Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts NOTE: the koiné Greek word for "charity" is agape (ag-ah'-pay) which means: love. One of the salient characteristics of love is its willingness to stifle its own interests for the benefit of others. Love isn't a show-off either. Love should be the impetus in any exercise of spiritual gifts; viz: gifts are for the benefit of others rather than one's self. 108) 1Cor 14:1b . . but rather that ye may prophesy. NOTE: prophecy isn't strictly limited to foretelling the future, but more importantly, a prophet is an inspired individual who is very skilled and effective at teaching, explaining, and applying the Bible; viz: a character-builder rather than a mood enhancer. A soloist, a choir, a pianist or an organist may entertain the congregation, and put it in a temporary spiritual mood, but typically do nothing to improve the congregation's character. It's the character-building gifts that are the most valuable inside the church. 109) 1Cor 14:13 . . Let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he may interpret. NOTE: a charismatic once told me that he prayed in a tongue because he couldn't express his feelings any other way. Mind you this was an American adult of almost fifty years old; educated in America and spoke English his entire life. So I asked him how it is that his command of the English language was so poor that he could only express himself in a language that no one could understand; not even himself. That wasn't Paul's way. †. 1Cor 14:14-15 . . For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also. 110) 1Cor 14:22a . .Tongues are for a sign However, the sign isn't intended for the benefit of believers, but rather, for non-believers. †. 1Cor 14:22b . . not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe. The purpose of any tongue is communication; so if a tonguer is speaking a language nOBody understands, he's actually created a barrier to communication, and the purpose of the tongue is defeated. †. 1Cor 14:6-9 . . Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine? And even things without life giving sound, whether pipe or harp, except they give a distinction in the sounds, how shall it be known what is piped or harped? For if the trumpet give an uncertain sound, who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise ye, except ye utter by the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken? for ye shall speak into the air. Since tongues are for the benefit of unbelievers, then it's de facto they're supposed to be used as an evangelistic tool rather than an edifying tool. Somebody who exercises a tongue for any other reason has missed the point; and they're behaving like a little kid with a toy. 111) 1Cor 14:20 . . Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. †. 1Cor 14:23-25 . . If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad? But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: and thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so falling down on his face he will worship God, and report that God is in you of a truth. 112) 1Cor 14:27-28 . . If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God. NOTE: tonguers are not permitted to speak all at one time like a mOB of drunken sailors. They are to take turns; speaking one at a time, rather than an entire congregation together. And if there's no one to interpret, tonguers are not permitted to speak at all. If Christians the world over followed those rules, it would put the charismatics out of business in less than two week-ends. These directives regulating the exercise of tongues in a church meeting were written by the apostle Paul— a duly authorized agent speaking on behalf of the Bible's Christ. †. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of The Lord. †. 1Ths 2:13 . . When ye received the word of God, which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe. †. 1Ths 4:1-2 . . We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. So then, when Christians proceed to disOBey the rules regulating the exercise of tongues, they are in shameful rebellion against the very lord and master of New Testament Christianity; and yet, ironically, still have the chutzpah to pass themselves off as his followers. A follower can be defined as someone who gets in step and/or falls in line. †. 1John 1:6 . . If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth C.L.I.F.F. /
  13. . Would you rate yourself a domineering woman, or an insecure woman; or maybe even both? People were becoming a bit too ugly, and a bit too personal with their remarks. The purpose of this topic is not so much marital advice as it is pre-marital counseling. If young unmarried Christian girls will take the time to study those three books I recommended, they will have a much better chance at success in their marriages than the silly air heads who enter marriage without a clue. They may seem unbiblical to you; but not to me. FYI: It's my policy to caution opponents about using words like "unbiblical" and "you are wrong" lest the day comes when they're forced to eat them. Not happening. In point of fact, this is my final on this topic too. C.L.I.F.F. /
  14. . Christianity's Commandments (16) 105) 1Cor 11:33-34 . .Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. NOTE: The gist of the matter is: The Lord's supper isn't supposed to be a meal, nor is it supposed to be an individual act like blessing yourself with holy water on your way inside. It's a congregational act rather than an individual act; and it's a symbol rather than nourishment so people shouldn’t be heaping piles of tasty bread on their plates and filling gOBlets with wine as if they were out to dinner at a nice restaurant where they bring you a basket of French/Italian bread and a beverage of your choice prior to the main course being served. †. 1 Cor 11:17-22 . . Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. . . .When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. How on earth the Christians at Corinth had turned the Lord's supper into a time of banqueting is beyond me; and they even broke into caste groups rather than maintaining congregational unity. In college, study groups are important, but they are also elitist. Sometimes the study group you're in is even more important to your status on campus than the subject your group is studying. That should never happen in a Christian church. Everybody is equal at the foot of the cross whether you're Nike's kingpin sequestered in the throne room of its lavish headquarters in Beaverton Oregon, or a worker in an Asian sweatshop that makes Philip Knight's shoes. In church no one sinner is better than another; all are sinners— Christ gave his life for Beaverton as well as for Asia. The Christians at Corinth had actually marginalized Christ, totally losing sight of the terrible price the Lord paid to ransom their souls from the wrath of God. You can just imagine how insulting that must be for Jesus and his Father; not to mention its effect upon their feelings. 106) 1Cor 12:24-27 . . For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: that there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. NOTE: It's sad that congregations have been reduced to the level of an audience in some churches rather than valued and respected as legitimate pieces of Christ's body. Churches might just as well start selling tickets to their sermons and Sunday schools; and set up red carpets outside where rank and file pew warmers might ooh and ahh over the Cadillac Escalades and Lexus LX10's driven by their church's celebrities; admire the fashions, cheer, lick shoes, snap photos, and ask for autographs from church staff. C.L.I.F.F. /
  15. . So you're saying: 1) the 14th chapter of Romans doesn't matter. 2) Christ's pastors don't matter. Well, you're certainly mistaken on both counts. For one, the 14th of Romans was written by Paul the apostle as a duly authorized agent of the Bible's Christ. †. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. And second, Christ's pastors are a divine gratuity with a divine purpose. †. Eph 4:11-14 . . And he gave some apostles. . . and some pastors; for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive It appears to me that you feel competent enough on your own to get by without Christ's pastors, and apparently without Paul too. C.L.I.F.F. /
  16. . PopClock Update (05) 12 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Aug 15, 2010 Using the original factor of 2,260 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests 27,120 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of the current Hell just since beginning the topic. The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 49,942 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 599,304 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking. __________ __________ __________ ___________ Isn't it just amazing how fast souls accumulate down inside the earth? And I've so far only reckoned from 08/15/2010. People have been on the road to perdition not only since the time of Christ, but since even before the Flood. I won't speculate how many years that might be, but Egypt's first pyramid, the Step Pyramid of Djoser, was constructed about 4,600 years ago. That's 4.6 millennia! Geologically, those 4.6 millennia are merely a hiccup in Earth's 4.5 billion years of existence. If those 4.5 billion years were a 24-hour civil day, then 4,600 years would amount to just .09 second on a clock that ticks off 86,400 seconds per civil day. (to visualize how little time that is: divide one of those 86,400 seconds into 100 segments, and .09 would amount to nine of them, leaving 8,639,991 hundredths of seconds remaining in the day.) But to human beings, that .09 second on a geological scale is difficult to appreciate. I've been on the Earth for 66 years now and I've noticed that my childhood is so far in the past to me now as to seem more like a fantasy rather than a memory. Time stands still in the Bible's hell: it's for the now; it's an existence. People who arrived there yesterday didn't begin doing time in stir like convicts serving sentences in prisons expecting to get out some day; nor is the Bible's hell a temporary tour of duty like shipping out to Afghanistan. No, people in Hell are its perpetual residents; they're in a rut. C.L.I.F.F. /
  17. . Personal issues can be defined as matters about which the Lord has not revealed his preferences; thus each Christian is at liberty to follow the dictates of their own conscience. In those situations, the Lord's wishes, as stipulated in the 14th chapter of Romans, are to be followed; five of which are: †. Rom 14:3 . . Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. †. Rom 14:4 . .Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. †. Rom 14:5 . . Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. †. Rom 14:14 . . to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean. †. Rom 14:22 . . Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth. Do you trust Baptist pastors? Look in the yellow pages for a Baptist church in your area and make an appointment with a pastor to have him explain the principles regulating personal issues in the 14th chapter of Romans. It doesn't have to be the senior pastor; an associate pastor will do. C.L.I.F.F. /
  18. . Christianity's Commandments (15) 104) 1 Cor 11:27-30 . .Whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body. For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. NOTE: It utterly baffles me how the minds of some people see an act of homicide 1Cor 11:27-30. According to a footnote in the current official Bible of the Roman Catholic Church, partaking of the Lord's supper unworthily isn't an act of homicide, but rather, a personal insult. Look at this example: †. 1Cor 6:18 . . he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body. Is fornication an act of homicide? No, of course not. Good lord, the way some people construe the meanings of the Bible's words is just shameful! The koiné Greek word for "unworthily" is anaxios (an-ax-ee'-oce) which means: irreverently; which Webster's defines as: lacking proper respect or seriousness. The koiné word for "examine" in that passage is dokimazo (dok-im-ad'-zo) which is an ambiguous word that can mean test, approve, evaluate, and/or examine; and is used in a wide variety of applications; for example: †. Luke 12:56 . . Ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky and of the earth; but how is it that ye do not discern this time? †. 1Cor 3:12-13 . . Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. In order to properly apply anaxios and dokimazo in 1Cor 11:27-30 it's essential to do so in their context; which begins at 11:17 and extends down to 11:34. What had happened in the Corinthian church was that its members had lost sight of the purpose of their meeting together in the first place. The cross was supposed to be their focal point; but the Corinthians had marginalized the cross and instead were meeting together for social purposes replete with food and beverage. The examining Paul commands is to be very sure one's heart is in the right place. A Christian's motive for attending church should be for commemorating the cross rather than for a carnal purpose like a church buffet. In other words, church is not the place for dinner parties. You can eat and drink all you want at home; but when Christians assemble together on the first day of the week, their focus should be upon God's son, and upon what he went through to ransom their souls from the wrath of God. Failure to do so can actually result in God striking a Christian with bad health and/or an untimely death. NOBody should be permitted to partake of the elements of the Lords supper unless they first understand what it's all about; therefore it's an excellent idea for a pastor to take time beforehand to re-instruct his congregation as to the significance of the ritual especially as it pertains to the satisfaction of justice for the sins of man. †. 1Cor 11:26 . . For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come. The koiné Greek word for "shew" is kataggello (kat-ang-gel'-lo) which means: to proclaim, to promulgate. Webster's defines promulgate as: to make known by open declaration. In other words, the Lord's supper should never be done in private behind closed doors; but rather, right out in the open where the whole congregation, both believers and unbelievers, can see it like an advertisement plastered up on a billboard along a state highway. The Lord's supper advertises that the Bible's God cannot sweep sins under the rug; it was therefore absolutely necessary for Christ to be executed. †. 1John 2:2 . . He is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. †. 1John 4:10 . . Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and sent His son to be the propitiation for our sins Webster's defines propitiate as: to gain, or regain, the favor or goodwill of; viz: appease and/or conciliate (cf. Rom 5:6-11). In other words, Christ's crucifixion satisfies justice; thus making it possible for the Bible's hell-fire God to let sinners off— sans His son's crucifixion, nOBody would escape the reservoir of liquefied flame depicted at Rev 20:11-15. It only stands to reason that if the Bible's God were to sweep sins under the rug instead of dragging them to justice, He himself would be guilty of the crime of OBstructing justice. The Bible's God is a jurist of the highest possible integrity who can't— as so many US presidents seem able to do —let people off without somebody first paying for their crimes. The scales of justice have to balance; and the Bible's God will settle for nothing less. †. Mrk 10:45 . . For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many. Webster's defines a ransom as: a consideration paid or demanded for the release of someone or something from captivity That's the message of the Lord's supper. BTW: the Lord's supper was instituted in private behind closed doors; but where is it now? It's right out in full public view on the pages of the New Testament for all the world to see. C.L.I.F.F. /
  19. . The information Paul dispensed in his epistles is Christ's law. †. 1Cor 14:37 . . If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. †. 1Ths 4:1-2 . . We beseech you, brethren, and exhort you by the Lord Jesus, that as ye have received of us how ye ought to walk and to please God, so ye would abound more and more. For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. I'm thoroughly disgusted with the people on this topic disobeying the Lord's wishes as per the 14th chapter of Romans. †. Rom 14:1 . . Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. The koiné Greek word for "doubtful" is dialogismos (dee-al-og-is-mos') which means: discussion; viz: debate. The word for "disputations" is diakrisis (dee-ak'-ree-sis) which means: judicial estimation; viz: one's opinions. I can only conclude, from the ongoing debating and quarreling about tithing between people of the Christian faith that they are neither friends nor lovers of the Lord; but rather friends and lovers of their own selves. †. John 14:15 . . If ye love me, keep my commandments. †. John 14:21 . . He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. †. John 14:23 . . If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. †. John 15:14 . .Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. When you identify yourself as someone's follower, it means you are professing yourself to be in step with them. †. 1John 1:6 . . If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth To be fair, it needs to be pointed out that the Lord's wishes stipulated in the 14th chapter of Romans apply only to his followers. So if some of you out there are not his followers, then by all means feel free to ignore what I'm saying. But followers debating with followers about a personal issue like tithing is unacceptable; and that goes for any other personal issue too; e.g. video games, music, fashions, cosmetics, diet, movies, self defense, swim suits, alcohol, tobacco, firearms, fasting, religious paintings, Bible versions, crucifixes, and holy days of obligation. Those are all matters of personal opinion rather than black and white regulations; and therefore it's a sin for the Lord's followers to debate those issues among themselves. †. 1Cor 15:34 . . Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame. C.L.I.F.F. /
  20. . While husbands are commanded to love their wives; the wives are commanded not to love their husbands, but rather, to respect them. †. Eph 5:3 . . And the wife, see that she reverence her husband. †. Eph 5:22 . .Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord. Shaunti Feldhahn relates a survey taken among segregated groups of men and women with this question: Given a choice; would you rather be disrespected, or would you rather live alone and unloved in the world? Just about every one of the ladies chose disrespect rather than living alone and unloved in the world; while the men chose to live alone and unloved rather than be disrespected. This only goes to show why most women cannot understand why their men get upset with them so often. It's simply because they're under the impression they're supposed to love him the way they expect him to love her and the meanwhile treat him like dirt. No, it doesn't work that way. A man feels loved when he's respected; and he doesn't get the message any other way. I once overheard a conversation between a caller and Dr. Laura on radio that went something like this: Caller: I can't respect my husband; he hasn't earned it. Dr. Laura: Have you earned your husband's love? Caller: I shouldn't have to earn his love. It's a husband's place to love his wife unconditionally. Dr. Laura: Aren't you being a bit unfair? You expect your husband to love you unconditionally, while refusing to respect him unconditionally? Isn't that a double standard? No wonder you two drifted apart! The problem was, the caller was unaware that men and women perceive love differently. If you are a young American Christian woman reading this, I can just about guarantee you don't have a clue how to love a man. Why? Because you've grown up in a modern world shaped by years of feminist activism and now somebody is going to have to de-program all that subtle brain washing and start with you from scratch and teach you a thing or two about the male mystique. †. Titus 2:3-5 . . The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed. When Paul says "teach" he isn't talking about lecturing; he's talking about training. Ironically, Paul doesn't lay the responsibility for training young women how to love a man on the young women's mothers; no, every aged woman in church, as a unified community of sisters, shares this obligation. Loving a man rarely comes natural to any young woman. No, the average young woman is in a defensive posture: she's self absorbed, self centered, and very good at chafing men rather than respecting them. Some women are actually proud of their ability to make a man angry! †. Rom 12:2 . . And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God. Here's a really sad example of a Baptist woman's utter failure to respect her man. My wife and I used to baby-sit for a couple at church whenever they were away. When they came over one night to pick up their kids, my son and theirs were playing a really good Nintendo game. The daddy informed the kids it was time to go, and in customary kid-fashion they ignored him. So he became gruff and ordered them out to the car. His wife then proceeded to come down on him like the wrath of God and said: You're yelling at them in front of the Webers! Well, guess what? Mrs. Self Righteous was yelling at her husband in front of the Webers too and if you could have seen the look on his face you'd know that the husband was not going to get over the effects of his wife's public scolding for a long while to come; if ever. You know, kids get used to their dads yelling at them in front of others. To kids, it's just a fact of life. However, I seriously doubt there's a man on earth who can get used to his wife demeaning him in front of others. †. Prv 14:1 . . A wise woman builds her home; a foolish woman tears her home down with her own hands. If you are a young Christian woman reading this, I urge you to get the three books below and begin preparing yourself for the day when you will be living with a man. Prepare now, don’t wait till the horse is out of the corral before shutting the gate. What Our Mothers Didn't Tell Us Danielle Crittenden The Proper Care And Feeding Of Husbands Dr. Laura Schlessinger For Women Only Shaunti Feldhahn BTW: Dr. Laura is a Jew; but highly educated and professionally experienced in family counseling. Don’t let her imperious demeanor and/or her religious preference cause you to shy away from her books. There's an old saying that goes like this: Nobody is wrong all the time. †. Mtt 11:19 . .Wisdom is justified of her children. In other words; the proof is in the pudding. And like they say: Any port in a storm. C.L.I.F.F. /
  21. . Christianity's Commandments (14) 103) 1Cor 11:3-10 . . But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered. . . . For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man. For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels. NOTE: a surprising piece of information comes out in that passage. Though the wording of Gen 1:26-28 suggests that women were created in the image of God; they actually weren't; no, according to Paul, they were created in Adam's image. Where Adam was created directly from dust in the image and glory of God; Eve wasn't, no she was manufactured not from dust, but from the organic tissues of a man (Gen 2:21-13). So then, since Eve was, organically, Adam's first child, then all women, including Jesus' mom, are subordinate to men. †. Gen 3:16 . .He shall rule over thee. †. Ex 20:12 . . Honor thy father and thy mother Eve had no mother, but she did have a father— Mr. Adam. So then, contrary to feminist humanism's rabid protests, women will never be equal to men in the natural order of things. No, they will always be daddy's little girl. Ergo: women aren't from Venus after all; no, they are actually from Mars. Why are there so many female personnel serving in the military these days; and why do so many female role models on television and in the movies carry guns and abuse men? Easy. Because though they might wear a veil in church, they would rather be dead than wear one over their hearts. I recently saw a military recruiting ad on television showing a young woman manning a large caliber machine gun. There's something terribly out of harmony with God in a young woman who's comfortable killing men with a machine gun. Where's the veil in that scenario? (Kelly Ripa once made the remark that guys should always pay the restaurant tab for their dates because women are the ones who have the babies. Well, my question is, who gave birth to Eve? Since women owe their existence to Adam, then maybe they should be the ones paying the tab.) Anyway, point being, Jesus' mom was manufactured with the glory of a man, while Christ was manufactured with the glory of God. †. John 1:14 . . John 1:14 . . (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. †. Heb 1:1-3 . . God . . hath in these last days spoken unto us by His son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person The koiné Greek word for "express image" is character (khar-ak-tare') which means: an engraving. The various mints in the US produce coins by engraving. But they don't do it with carving tools, but rather with upper and lower metal dies in a mechanical press; viz: they're stamped. In this way, they can produce millions of coins that are precise imprints of the dies. Auto manufacturers make car parts the same way on assembly lines with powerful tools call drop hammers. Now, note the progression. The Hebrew word in Gen 1:26-17 for Adam's likeness of God is tselem (tseh'-lem) which means: a phantom; viz: a shadow. So then the dignity of Jesus' mom was that of the glory she derived from a shadow, while her son's glory is that of a solid stamping. In other words, God pressed the image of a God into Christ, while Adam pressed the image of a man into Mary. Who then should be given the greater respect? Christ or his mom? Duh. †. John 14:8-10 . . Philip saith unto him: Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him: Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then: Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Some take 1Cor 11:3-10 to mean that Christian women should cover their faces in church. No, the focus is upon a Christian woman's hair, not her face. A scarf or hat would suffice for that purpose; and it need not totally OBscure her hair like a burkha; after all what we're after here is merely a "token" of female submission. Even something no bigger than a little doily would suffice for that purpose. But let me be quick to point out that the venue is narrow; viz: Christian women are urged to cover their hair only when they pray or prophecy in the presence of God's men (which by definition includes their Christian husbands) rather than in the presence of the world's men, or when they're alone, or in the presence of God's women. So then, ladies' prayer groups, ladies' Bible studies, and/or ladies' missionary societies; etc, are exempt. The whole idea is that the covering— whether it be scarf, cap, beret, tam, or hat —be a sign; viz: a testimony that women owe their existence to a man, and that they were not created to be served by men, nor were they created equal to men, nor were they created in the image of God as men were; but they were created from a man, after the man, and for the express purpose of supporting a man (Gen 2:18-23 and Gen 3:16). Basically, men have the primogeniture. That can't be very good news to feminists. When a Christian woman covers her hair with something when she prays and/or prophesies, she's declaring her subordination not just to God, but more importantly, to men of God. This is prOBably a mite difficult for American women since their culture encourages them to compete with men, to stand up to men, and assert not only their equality with men; but also their independence. Subordination to men really chafes some women, even so called "Christian" women; and really puts their professed devotion to God to the acid test. American woman who know their place in the scheme of things are pretty rare. Common OBjection: You've taken those passages out of their appropriate historical context. In no way are Christian women of today required to cover their hair; nor are Christian women subordinate to Christian men in any way. That was a mandate given to a particular people in a particular place in a particular time. And what about Paul's comment: "But if any man seem to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God" (1Cor 11:16) I once heard a cute story along that line. A little girl was out playing in the backyard when she suddenly felt the urge for a snack; so she came in and asked her mommy for a peanut butter sandwich. Well, to the little girl's delight, her mommy put a chocolate chip cookie on the plate along with the sandwich. You see, the little girl's mommy didn't have to add the cookie but she did it anyway because she loved her little girl and wanted to make her happy. There are Christians doing only what they have to. Those are average Christians— just pew warmers —and they'll get a pew warmer's reward. †. Luke 17:10 . . So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say: We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do. Others are going the extra mile for the Lord because they want to not only OBey Him, but also to make Him happy. †. 1 John 3:22 . . And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. Paul's entire statement, from 1Cor 11:3 to 11:16 is an appeal to reason. †. 1Cor 11:13 . . Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered? If, in their own better judgment, hair coverings for Christian women aren't for today, then I really have to wonder how that OBjector became so conceited as to actually believe their own judgment is superior to an apostle's. NOTE: "prophecy" as it's generally understood in the Bible, is broad rather than strictly predicting the future. When people speak for God in any capacity— whether in a locker-room bull session, on a forum, in a chat room, in evangelism, or in Sunday school —they are prophesying; which is why people wearing the Christian label need to be very careful when they discuss the Bible with others. †. 1Pet 4:11 . . If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God So then, if somebody cannot speak for God, and as God, when they explain the Bible, then they need to sit down and shut up; and that goes for both men and women speakers. The identity of the angels in verse 10 is prOBably best understood as not the holy angels, but rather the angels of Rev 2:1-3:22; which aren't spirit beings, but rather, human beings; in other words: church managers; viz: the pastors. The koiné Greek word is aggelos (ang'-el-os); which just simply means: a messenger. So then, an "angel" is basically somebody who speaks for God and/or as God; whether human or divine; and women who lead prayer meetings, or teach Sunday school and/or catechism classes, certainly fall into the prophet category. For example: Abraham was a prophet (Gen 20:7). How so? He was his own camp's spiritual advisor. (Gen 18:19) C.L.I.F.F. /
  22. . Hello; †. Rom 14:1 . . Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations. A strong Bible-based faith consists of the elements of confidence, assurance, conviction, and boldness. A weak faith can be defined as one that's not all that sure whether something is wrong for a Christian; or even that something is right; in other words, a weak faith lacks confidence, assurance, conviction, and boldness. The koiné Greek word for "doubtful" is dialogismos (dee-al-og-is-mos') which means: discussion; viz: debate. The word for "disputations" is diakrisis (dee-ak'-ree-sis) which means: judicial estimation. When somebody begins a statement with the words "in my opinion" they are getting ready to give you their judicial estimation; and since opinions are subject to change, then they inevitably result in debating; which is strictly forbidden within the context of the 14th chapter of Romans. The issue of tithing is clearly debatable, therefore it falls into the classification of a doubtful disputation. That said: The rule of thumb for Christians is giving rather than tithing. †. 2Cor 9:7 . . Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him give; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver. Tithing is not giving; no, it's extraction rather than giving. I don't give the Obama administration my taxes; no, they take it from me by force of law; viz: I pay taxes against my will, both grudgingly and of necessity. That is not the Christian way of giving. We have a faith that works by love, not by law. (Gal 5:6) Paul labeled Christian giving a grace. †. Rom 12:6-8 . . Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity Anyway, back to the 14th of Romans. Somebody hereabouts suggested that 10% be a baseline. DO NOT DO THAT! It is a gross violation of the principles regulating doubtful disputations. In other words, if you want to set 10% as YOUR baseline okay; but don't you dare attempt to set it for anybody else. That's playing God and usurping the Lord's sovereign prerogative to make the rules for his own church. †. Rom 14:5 . . Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. That is the golden rule of doubtful disputations; and itself is not debatable. You either comply with it or you fall by it; the choice is yours. †. 1Cor 10:12 . .Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall. C.L.I.F.F. /
  23. . Christianity's Commandments (13) 96) 1Cor 10:24 . . Let no man seek his own, but every man another's wealth. NOTE: that's just a reiteration of the golden rule. †. Mtt 7:12 . . All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets. I once took a city slicker friend out shooting in the Oregon woods with a cowboy style six-gun. In typical wrangler fashion he yelled yahoo and fired the six-gun up into the air before I could stop him. It then became necessary for me to remind my friend that bullets eventually come down and can quite possibly hit someone off in the distance; maybe even a child. Drive-by shooters know this, but they're typically psychopathic so it's to be expected they don't care where their bullets go. However, I should hope no Christian reading this is psychopathic; but will think about their words and actions before those words and actions impact an innocent person's life in a way that's not easily repaired. 97) 1Cor 10:25-26 . .Whatsoever is sold in the shambles, that eat, asking no question for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof. NOTE: a percentage of the meat sold by vendors in Corinth was either blessed by, or dedicated to, heathen deities. Paul instructed his friends to avoid asking which was which since it doesn't matter to the Bible's God if the foods Christians ingest are religiously tainted without their knowledge. 98) 1Cor 10:27 . . If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake. NOTE: in other words, this is one of those "don't ask, don't tell" situations. 99) 1 Cor 10:28-29 . . But if any man say unto you: "This is offered in sacrifice unto idols" eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof: conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other NOTE: if you go ahead and dine in a non-Christian friend's home where you know in advance the food is either dedicated to, or blessed by, a heathen deity, or that when they say grace around the table it will be to a god other than your own; then your host is quite possibly going to come to the conclusion that his religion is just as valid as yours. This is not saying that Catholics and Protestants can't eat together and/or pray together around the table; nor is it saying that Christians and Jews can't eat together and pray together around the table: not when Catholics, Protestants, Jews, and Christians are all praying to the same God: just from a different perspective. I will say this though: if you are a Catholic host, and your guests are either Protestants or Jews; for God's sake DO NOT pray to Jesus' mom around the table. That is extremely offensive to Protestants and Jews, and totally unnecessary anyway when you can just as easily say grace to the one God common to both you and your non-Catholic guests. 100) 1Cor 10:31 . .Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. NOTE: Moses' covenanted law says pretty much the very same thing. One's love of God is demonstrated by their compliance with His wishes. †. Deut 6:4-5 . . Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord: and thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. †. Mrk 12:30 . . Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength Ironically, it isn't even necessary to particularly like the Bible's God in order to love Him. Comply with His wishes first and you can work on liking Him later: because compliance is paramount. †. John 14:21. . He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: †. John 14:23-24 . . If a man love me, he will keep my words . . . he that loveth me not, keepeth not my sayings †. John 15:14 . .Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. †. 1John 5:3 . . For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments †. 1Sam 15:22-23 . . Hath the Lord as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices, as in OBeying the voice of the Lord? Behold, to OBey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. †. Isa 66:2 . . But to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word. 101) 1Cor 10:32-33 . . Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God: even as I please all men in all things, not seeking mine own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved. NOTE: Webster's defines self-seeking as: the act, or practice, of selfishly advancing one's own ends, and 2) seeking only to further one's own interests NOBel prize winner John Nash discredited self-seeking in his economic theory. He felt that it's possible to not only do yourself the better good, but at the same time to do it in such a way that your efforts mesh with the efforts of others so that all benefit. Webster's defines that principle as synergism; which is the interaction of discrete agencies, agents, or conditions such that the total effect is greater than the sum of the individual effects. We here in America admire rugged individualism. However, individualism may be effective, and even necessary, in some pursuits, but overall, it's a self-seeking way of life that cares little for its effects on the lives of others. This puts us right back to 1Cor 10:24 and the golden rule. 102) 1Cor 11:1 . .Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. NOTE: in the Catholic religion, a "saint" is a role model for others. Well, there's two for starters: Mr. Paul and Messiah Jesus. C.L.I.F.F. /
  24. . PopClock Update (04) 10 days have elapsed since beginning the topic on Aug 15, 2010 Using the original factor of 2,260 adult-age Americans transferring to perdition per each 24-hour civil day, suggests 22,600 adult-age Americans have passed through the gates of the current Hell just since beginning the topic. The world-wide total, based upon the original factor of 49,942 condemned souls per 24-hour civil day, suggests 499,420 total arrivals in perdition since beginning the topic . . . and the clock is still ticking. __________ __________ ____________ __________ If those 499,420 arrivals were all an average of five feet, six inches tall, and laid head to toe, their bodies would stretch 520 miles, which is roughly the crow-flies distance between Tijuana Mexico and Reno Nevada. C.L.I.F.F. /
  25. . Your comment is off-topic to say the least; and besides; it is very poor netiquette to hijack a topic for the purpose of posting negative personal remarks about, and/or to conduct quarrels with, a forum member. Shame on you. C.L.I.F.F. /
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