Miss Linda

With all due respect, you view/interpret Scripture through a different filter than we do, based on the postings you've made in numerous threads. We're more than happy to explain why we believe what we do and to allow you to explain why you believe the way you do - but that doesn't mean you have the right to come onto our board and tell us we're wrong and expect to be welcome here.

I would disagree. The "fairy godmother" is supposed to be a powerful supernatural being other than God even in the story line. She performs what are supposed to be supernatural "miracles" on the behalf of Cinderella and functions as a replacement for God. I do not think supernatural "gods" functioning as replacements for the true God are ever acceptable even in stories. There are only two supernatural powers, God and satan. If it is supernatural and isn't of the one it is of the other. The problem with books and what not that obscure that truth is that they can confuse many and lead to problems in the real world. According to the bible satan himself can be transformed into an angel of light. Stories where there are "good" supernatural figures other than God or his angels just makes it a little easier for satan to trick people in the real world. I have had people tell me with a serious face that they believed there are "good" witches and wizards and "good" spells as well as bad ones etc. All that is slowly absorbed from the wrong kind of stories where there are "benign" supernatural powers other than God. The supernatural world is real and it isn't something to be played around with lightly even in fiction.



A "unreal" story to me means simply that the story did not really happen and perhaps depending on the story could not have happened due to certain "facts" in the story that are not "facts" in reality.

Good post.

In the light of Scripture, I don't see how we can justify any type of magic. There is no such thing as "good magic". The Bible condemns all things associated with "magic". How then can "certain magic" or a "little magic" be acceptable. If a little leaven is bad how could a little magic be good?

Are Christians to deal with reality, with our eyes set on God and being about His business or should we be "escaping" into false worlds that contradict Scripture, take us away from that which is real and turns our focus away from God?

They wonder why we scoff at science in some circumstances.

How in the world can you say discernment, when the verse is very plain, and right to the point?

Le 19:28 Ye shall not...... .......print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Nothing could be any plainer.

I'm not trying to zero in on anyone and by no means am I perfect. I have many of my own problems to still work through though this might help someone. (I'll try to keep it brief.)

I just would like to warn on the use of fiction (magic in particular). Surely it can seem like "Cinderella" can seem innocent harmless fun; but, what it truly is (in my view) is entry level into more occult like things.

1Co 15:33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

Before I was saved, I watched many things with magic in them. Progressively more dark, less innocent. The justification in my eyes was this.
Don't tell me Harry Potter (as an example) is bad if your watching things with magic in them too. (Cinderella (etc.)
It has a bad word, so what! I've heard them before!
Slowly (so you barely notice if you do at all) standards start to fall. Your mind (can (at the very least) become more perverse.

The argument i get often on my stance it. It helps Imagination... well... I don't think watching those things is what imagination needs..

Ge 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake; for the imagination of man's heart [is] evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.


I live my Christian life doing trying (only succeeding with the help of the Lord; (though I'm sure sometimes I fail..) not to have a double standard. Yes I'll leave myself open for this "The bible has magic!" well there are differences.

The bible is true; it is not fantasy. (I for one try to stay away from all fantasy and acting; which I believe it is not of truth. Acting can be linked also to hypocrisy. (I won't go to far into that.)

Scripture clearly condemns magic I find no such thing as "good magic"

Ga 5:16 [This] I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Ga 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Ga 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Ga 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Ga 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Ga 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Ga 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Ga 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Ga 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Ga 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
Ga 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

De 18:9 ¶ When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
De 18:10 There shall not be found among you [any one] that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, [or] that useth divination, [or] an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch,
De 18:11 Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
De 18:12 For all that do these things [are] an abomination unto the LORD: and because of these abominations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.
De 18:13 Thou shalt be perfect with the LORD thy God.


I'm sure there are other things that can be brought of up as well.. However I am blurry on this area; maybe someone can help me out on that... I believe there is a huge difference however i have a hard time putting it into words..

Either way I'm pretty sure some will disagree and justify it however.

Lu 16:15 And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.


(I don't understandhow it can be justified to watch or read it? To me it is like unto music I think for the most part those here agree that it isn't right to listen to Rock or Pop; If you use similar thinking to what you use with music. I believe you would find also magic isn't right.. By all means; I would like to (at least my fleshly part) watch the anime and read the manga I used too. But I don't believe that it brings glory to God. Much the less I believe it hurts ones testimony. My sister (praise the Lord for answered prayer) quit reading and watching them too.. I got her into them. I'm so glad she is free from it. For her and myeself.. When i would see her reading manga. My flesh would truly lust after it.. It was hard on me as well..

Ro 14:13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in [his] brother's way.
Ro 14:14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that [there is] nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him [it is] unclean.
Ro 14:15 But if thy brother be grieved with [thy] meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died.
Ro 14:16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
Ro 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
Ro 14:18 For he that in these things serveth Christ [is] acceptable to God, and approved of men.
Ro 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Ro 14:20 For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed [are] pure; but [it is] evil for that man who eateth with offence.
Ro 14:21 [it is] good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor [any thing] whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.
Ro 14:22 Hast thou faith? have [it] to thyself before God. Happy [is] he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.
Ro 14:23 And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for whatsoever [is] not of faith is sin.


I try my very best not to have ANYTHING in my life that could be a stumbling block.. I know of some things I'm working towards removing now.. I ask for your all's prayers regarding that.


I'll post some links to some material that can goes more in depth if you all are interested..

http://biblicaltruth...0Transcript.htm or in audio.. http://www.sermonaud...SID=82509854244

http://www.sermonaud...?SID=8910843526



Finally;

Ps 1:1 ¶ Blessed [is] the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
Ps 1:2 But his delight [is] in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
Ps 1:3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Ps 1:4 ¶ The ungodly [are] not so: but [are] like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
Ps 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.
Ps 1:6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

1Th 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
1Th 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

Php 4:8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things [are] honest, whatsoever things [are] just, whatsoever things [are] pure, whatsoever things [are] lovely, whatsoever things [are] of good report; if [there be] any virtue, and if [there be] any praise, think on these things.


and I like to end messages with this sometimes..

Eph 6:24 Grace [be] with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen. [Written from Rome unto the Ephesians by Tychicus.]

You've stated that you know we disagree with it, so what is the point, are you trying to convince us your right, we are wrong?

It seems your point is to rebuke the teaching we hold to. Of course I disagree with the seekers, its not biblical. Yet I don't go to seekers message boards and do as your doing here on a Baptist message board. If I did so I would feel that I'm being impolite, failing to respect their right to their opinion, their right to assemble together and have unity.

My idea of a good forum is one where only Baptist hangs out, discuss their beliefs, not a forum where other denominations are constantly telling us we are wrong, trying to get us to accept their way and drop our beliefs.

If people are wanting to reach others a good place to start is our on own neighborhood, building up their church, building up the kingdom of God, and this is best done when face to face with those who live about us.

Rest assure, I'm not trying to be harsh, yet I am being honest and to the point.

I've been having a hard time with that too. I think it has something to do with the idea that the "Baptist church is the only true church", and I think these brothers feel that if we refer to all Christians as being in "the church" it somehow denies that. I also think it's a reactionary stance against Catholicism and Ecumenicalism. Regardless the reason, it's unbiblical to say there's no such thing as an invisible, universal church consisting of all the members of the body of Christ, both living and dead.

I would say IFBs are the closest things to a true New Testament church today, but that's just talking about the local church; completely different subject.

Are you for opening up all the prisons, jails, turning all the murders, thieves, rapist and other such law breakers lose on the streets of America?

Should we just ignore those that have broken the law of this land, letting them go on about what they are doing?

Of course not, there are consequences, and those that break the law must suffer consequences for their actions. God forgives us of our sins, yet we still suffer consequences of those sins in our daily life.

In the case of this man, he has turned on the country he swore to protect, so of course it will be harsher on him than just a normal citizen.

Ever think about this verse?

1Jo 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

Relative to this topic even if not directly addressing it:

From a message by PreacherE:


1. Fret not thyself because of evildoers.




Psalm 37:7 'Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for him:'



As we look at the world around us it seems as though the wicked are abounding more and more. And the Bible even teaches that as time goes on men will wax worse and worse (II Timothy 3:13). We see sin becoming more common place. Indeed, many times, those who are living wickedly are held up while those who would live righteous are pushed to the side. If we are not careful then we can become discouraged and come to the point that we wonder what good it is to serve God. Throughout Psalm 37 David is encouraging the righteous to trust in God and not to fret about the wicked. One day God is going to balance the scales of the righteous and the wicked. In this Psalm we see that the righteous shall inherit the earth (v. 9, 22, 29) while the wicked shall be cut off (v. 22, 28, 34, 38). Those who do wickedly may prosper for a while here on this earth, but those of us who are saved will one day receive our inheritance as the children of God while the wicked burn for an eternity in Hell.

Proverbs 31:23 Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. When describing the life of the virtuous woman, why does it say that her "husband is known in the gates"? It says that because the virtuous woman of Proverbs 31 is a woman who builds her husband up instead of tearing him down. No other person has such power as a man's wife. She can make him or break him, so to speak. Now read one of the things that happens to this woman because of such virtuous conduct.......
Proverbs 31:28 Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.

Proverbs 31 shows a family whose members who encourage and thereby bulid each other up. Showing appreciation makes the other person want to do even better and it shows that you really love them: It really does glorify God.....


16But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth?

17Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.

18When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers.

19Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit.

20Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother's son.

21These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes.

22Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver.

23Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.


A biting, slandering tongue is a destroyer.... But real reverence. and real, sincere, honest praise encourages people and it shows them that you really love them. It says "I appreciate you...you are valuable to me". Just start by praising your husband; brag on him; build him up and encourage him. As mentioned earlier; don't question him when he has to correct the kids; As long as he's not abusing them, that's what he's supposed to do. Your kids know if you respect him or not. Be an example. If you continue to reverence him and make every effort to honor him, and praise him for his achievements, it can make a huge difference in your home. Do that, and pretty soon, you'll hear him and the kids praising you too.

Absolutely! If Christian pastors, husbands, dads, and other men of God would truly fear God more than woman and preach, teach and expect the whole Word of God to be followed, we wouldn't have all these Christian women with short hair, wearing immodest clothes, taking leadership roles in the church, becoming pastors, disrespecting men with their attitudes and speach, etc.

Men are called by God to lead and it's so sad that fear of women's reactions prevents them from obeying the Word of God.

That's a fact!

This is also why women basically run many churches today (and in some denominations they do run the church) and why many Christian families are unbalanced.

It's a shame Christian pastors and Christian men in general are more afraid of upsetting women than they are of not obeying God.