Miss Linda

Yes, and such was widely recognized and accepted as true until the radical feminists gained the power to cause this to not be considered.

Thanks to the radical feminists, the teaching went forth that women can dress and act as provocatively as they want and have no responsibility for what happens to them. That's not saying a woman who dresses and acts like that deserves to be attacked, it simply acknowledges the fact she has placed herself in a position to be a more likely target.

Is a man standing on a subway in New York with hundred dollar bills protruding from his shirt pocket asking to be robbed? No, probably not, but he is certainly putting himself in a much more likely position to be robbed than he would if he kept the money unseen.

In both cases, the attacker and robber are fully to blame for their actions and should be held accountable, but the actions that were done by the victims to make themselves a much more likely target should not be ignored.

How many women have suffered being raped, in part, due to radical feminist teachings which have led them to dress in what most men would consider a "look here, come and get it" outfit and then conduct themselves in the same manner.

There are many reasons why God commands modesty and they are for the benefit of all.

Yes, the world says that the immodest dressed woman shares no blame in having gotten raped. Truth is immodest dressed women do temp men, and some may not bear up to the temptation.

If the woman would obey God on this matter, and dress modest, it would cut down on the number of rape and murders.

I respectfully disagree. Modesty is not a "19th century issue" rather modesty in both dress and deportment is an important virtue that should be practiced by every faithful follower of Christ (regardless of gender).

"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works." (I Timothy 2:9-10)

In the case of women, modesty helps preserve the greater part of our beauty for our husbands' eyes alone. It communicates to the world the great value we place on the dignity of our persons--the bodies of the daughters of the King should not be placed on display like goods in a market place. Modest dress and modest conduct communicate Christian ideals to the world without our ever having to witness verbally. This was true in the time of Abraham, in the time of Christ, and in our time.

Yet it really doesn't matter what "Christians" viewpoints might be, what matters is what God's word says.

There are some "Christians" who hold the viewpoint that it's okay for them to divorce so they can marry "a more spiritual" spouse...or that they can dress however they want...or that murdering certain people is good...that a husband should treat his wife like a child, even spanking her for not obeying him...etc.

The Bible has to be our standard. "Christians" may not be biblical Christians, "Christians" may be babes in Christ, "Christians" may be backslidden, "Chrisitans" may have yet to be discipled or matured in their faith, "Christians" may not even know the basics of Scripture, let alone anything else.

We must base our decisions and actions upon the Bible, not what other "Christians" viewpoints may be.

It doesn't matter how "Christians" view this, it matters what the overall Word of God says. Tattoos are of the world. Religious tattoos are especially popular among many street gangs. Crosses, images of Jesus, Bible verses and other scenes are a favorite among many street gangs. Many worldly folks love to tag themselves with a "Christian" tattoo for the sake of show.

Our Christianity is to show in how our lives are changed, in how we don't follow the ways of the world, not by turning our bodies into some cheap billboard. We are to be the temple of the Holy Ghost, not a wall for grafitti.

No doubt she's probably not a "star", but in this nation which loves to follow "celebrities" (whether rock stars, movie stars, sports stars), the masses end up trying to imitate. This is why so many today have these things and why we so often see hair styles, clothing styles and such also become mass popular due to one or more "stars" having such.

Christians are supposed to stand out from the world, even to the point of being peculiar to the world. Our dress, speech, actions, lifestyle, all things should make us stand out as different from the world.

I mean exactly what I said. There are many things Christians do and accept today which past generations of Christians didn't. Are we going to say all these are acceptable today because many Christians now do these? Are we going to say since past generations of Christians rejected them then we must cleanse ourselves and do the same? Are we going to pick and choose, and if so, what will be the basis for what is acceptable now and what we must return to the old standards for?

You are reading into Scripture what isn't there. A plain reading of this would be in regards to the fact Jews were not to marry non-Jews.

In a round about way, yes. The non-whites pouring into America, and many already here, tend to be Catholic (not traditional, more liberal) or of the liberal "Christian" variety.

Another factor is that many of those flooding Amreica today come from countries where corruption is a way of life and seen as acceptable. They bring this here with them, along with their false relgions.

Of course the once rather stable "white protestant" base that used to help hold America up has mostly turned away from sound Christianity, which in part explains why America is being flooded by outsiders and false religionists.

The answer, as always, is salvation in Christ and obeying the Word of God. Thus far, America seems unwilling to repent and turn to Christ so we can expect the decline to continue with the eventual results being similar to those ancient Israel faced for the same sin.

Perhaps you do not know, & in case you do not know, I'm letting you know, this is KJ forum, & KJ only. And any Holy Scriptures posted will be from KJ Bible.

This topic right here, will explains it very well, I suggest you read it.

Actually, I never said anything at all about what I believe, I only stated a historical fact and a couple personal experiences.

I'm not saying this to anyone here, just a general statement, but this is why so much historical and factual discussion is unheard in American universities today. Facts can't be mentioned or discussed without evil motives and/or attacks being launched at those who mention them. Even years ago when I was in university I recall a discussion dealing with American Indians with the clear intent to paint AI's as peaceful and perfect. One student asked about some tribes practices of killing thousands as sacrifice offerings. This led to charges the student was a racist, attacks upon the "evils of Christianity", how more people have been murdered by Christians than any other relgion and on and on.

If you don't like what this pastor says why do you continue in this church?

By the way, Mexicans are not "native Americans" and there is nothing in the KJB that says Moses married anyone black.

For over 300 years many who preached from the KJB preached against the mixing of the races. It's only since the latter half of the 20th century that such stopped being common.

I was in a black church once with two university friends and the black pastor said, "This is for my black brothers only." Then, looking to where we were sitting, the pastor said, "This ain't for those white folks."

These days I know of several black churches that preach against race mixing but I don't know of any white churches that do.

No doubt many professing Christians spend much of their time looking for loopholes and ways around truly following Christ. It's so much easier just to follow the ways of the world.

Amazing how some folks will go wild in their declarations that anything that might be called CCM is totally evil and no one, especially children, should ever listen to it, yet they think it's okay to send children into an anti-Christ institution which has specific aims to downplay and even discredit Christianity while teaching lies, humanism and the ways of the world; all in an ungodly, wicked, sinful environment.

We see the same problem in ancient Israel. Constantly they wanted to be like the world so they would adopt the ways and practices of the world around them even while saying with their lips they were God's.

We see the same today with many wanting to feel they have the security of being able to call themselves a Christian while holding onto the world tightly and walking in the world getting tattoos, multiple piercings, wearing the garb of the world, using the language of the world, spending much of their time and money in worldly entertainment.

One of the things that really bothers me is when pastors try to preach a lost dead person into heaven. I've heard pastors declare that the lost dead had a "hidden faith" or a "secret religion" or that to anyone who looked they appeared like everyone else but deep in their heart they knew God. One pastor even tried to preach a man into heaven because he had attended a church sometimes and would often hug people.

This is what so many professing Christians today want. They want to be a part of the world and to take part in the world but they want to think they have just enough Christianity to get them into heaven when they die.

Scripture has a great deal to say about this and if many professing Christians would actually read a Bible and read these and take it seriously they should be very afraid.

One cannot improve on what God has made, and God did not make any humans with tattoos, and tattoos will not improve the human body. Spend that money on spreading the Word of God instead of making marks on your skin them you will truly have supported God command to, Go, Teach, & Baptize, instead of wasting it on marking up the body God gave you.

By the way if God wanted us to have tattoos he would have put them on us Himself.

It doesn't matter what the tattoo is of no Christian should get a tattoo. More than enough Scripture has been put forth that for anyone wanting to put Christ first it should be pefectly clear. God calls Christians to a very high standard.

I'm sure there are many forums out there with this type of information....this forum not being one of them.

The idea that the God of the Bible and of Islam are the same has been around for a long time. It's sad to see it growing in acceptance. Even when I was in university the concept that no matter the religion, everyone worships the same "God" was popular.

Our last two presidents, Bush and Obama, had declared numerous times that all religions worship the same "God" and the God of the Bible is the same as that of Islam.

No doubt, for one to accept this with any actual thinking they would have to conclude that "God" is confused, very double-minded and unstable since the religions of the world don't agree with who God is, what God says, what God wants, or how we are to serve God and be right with God. Either that, or one must lower "God" down to the lowest common denominator of every religion which would leave us with a very generic "God" that is little more that some "deity" we can each deal with in our own way.

Totally unbiblical and leads one directly to hell.

It's also a great shame that even with so much evidence today standing firmly against the debunked theory of evolution, so many Christians are yet willing to cast off the creation account as some myth and accept some humanist idea of the beginnings of man.

It was bad enough when Christians around a hundred years ago were creating the gap theory to try and "help God" explain all the wonderful science of evolution so it could fit into the Bible. Now they are simply discounting the creation account and making up their own version.

I have a personal anecdote that relates to the issue discussed here.

I had a friend whom I met in church and initially I liked her very much. She remains one of the nicest people I have ever met. She had a sweet, gentle spirit and I enjoyed talking to her and being around her. Much to my dismay, she chose to disobey God's Word, allowed some man to talk her into a promiscuous lifestyle and decided to live with him rather than marry him. I was appalled when she told me. We had a couple of serious discussions about the issue and I was (and remain) in great fear for her soul. She persisted in her course of action--she said she was "in love". (Apparently being in love with a man trumps loving God). The lifestyle she chose is clearly in disobedience and I had no choice but to end our association. I told her that as much as it pained me to do so, I had to ask her to no longer contact me as long as she continued to adopt this sinful lifestyle. The last I heard, she has left the church altogether and has moved further into a sinful lifestyle. This fellow she took up with was not a church-going man, so I have no idea what she ever saw in him.

It saddened me greatly to end that friendship, but I had no choice. I still miss her, but I will have nothing to do with her until she repents her sinful lifestyle and returns to an obedient life. I can do no less. God's Word is clear on this issue. It doesn't matter in the least what I "feel" about it. Where God's Word is clear, I must obey. I am His first and foremost.

I am far more worried about offending God by disobeying His precepts with respect to associating with people leading sinful lves in open disobedience to the Scripture than I am about offending a friend. The truth is, if a person is openly disobeying God's Word, then how can we be friends? We have no more common ground. Christ has no concord with Belial.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." (II Corinthians 6:14-18)

I love what Matthew Henry says about this subject:

Though ladies dressed much more modestly in those days, one could imagine what Christ would do. I believe, as He walked through the multitudes, that He saw ans heard things that were repulsive to him. All we can really hope to do is set a good example, and rely on God's grace. Jesus did not "friendship" with unbelievers. We need to choose their friends in the area that we have control; they are not mature enough to make the right decisions yet.(This may even include Christian friends. My wife and I would not allow our kids to go to services with "split sessions" unless at least one of us was with them. Some speakers, though well meaning perhaps, cause curiosity where ther is already a lot of curiosity).

I don't think you can protect them. We can only train them up in the way they should go. I think the best way to avoid lust is to see women as fellow sisters, to treat them as we would want to be treated, to treat them as we would want someone to treat our daughters, to respect them, and to know them as people. Once we know someone as a person, it is much more difficult to entertain lustful thoughts.

So, we should train young men to be gentlemen. We should train them to think of other women in a manner of respect. That is the best weapon to combat lust.

I have a personal anecdote that relates to the issue discussed here.

I had a friend whom I met in church and initially I liked her very much. She remains one of the nicest people I have ever met. She had a sweet, gentle spirit and I enjoyed talking to her and being around her. Much to my dismay, she chose to disobey God's Word, allowed some man to talk her into a promiscuous lifestyle and decided to live with him rather than marry him. I was appalled when she told me. We had a couple of serious discussions about the issue and I was (and remain) in great fear for her soul. She persisted in her course of action--she said she was "in love". (Apparently being in love with a man trumps loving God). The lifestyle she chose is clearly in disobedience and I had no choice but to end our association. I told her that as much as it pained me to do so, I had to ask her to no longer contact me as long as she continued to adopt this sinful lifestyle. The last I heard, she has left the church altogether and has moved further into a sinful lifestyle. This fellow she took up with was not a church-going man, so I have no idea what she ever saw in him.

It saddened me greatly to end that friendship, but I had no choice. I still miss her, but I will have nothing to do with her until she repents her sinful lifestyle and returns to an obedient life. I can do no less. God's Word is clear on this issue. It doesn't matter in the least what I "feel" about it. Where God's Word is clear, I must obey. I am His first and foremost.

I am far more worried about offending God by disobeying His precepts with respect to associating with people leading sinful lves in open disobedience to the Scripture than I am about offending a friend. The truth is, if a person is openly disobeying God's Word, then how can we be friends? We have no more common ground. Christ has no concord with Belial.

"Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? Or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty." (II Corinthians 6:14-18)

I love what Matthew Henry says about this subject:

There is plenty of Scripture which addresses this matter, not just one. I said nothing about "permanent make-up". Again, it doesn't matter what some lady might prefer, it matters what the Word of God says. Some of the sins of our past will effect us the rest of our lives. For some that might include living with tattoos.

It really doesn't matter what either of us or another thinks about the matter, it matters what Scripture says. Getting further tattooed in order to cover up or change an existing tattoo is sin. There are other ways to cover an offensive tattoo (bandage, clothing, make-up, etc.) as well as the option of having it removed. The Holy Ghost will NEVER lead one to sin.

Actually, I did address that, I said, "if they have a word or design they specifically don't want to carry anymore they should have it removed rather seeking to add further grafitti over it."

To commit further sin in order to try and cover up a past sin would be adding sin to sin and is totally unbiblical.

Some sins have lasting consequences, getting tattoos is one of them. Sometimes, by the grace of God, we have to learn to live with those consequences.