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Bro K

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  1. The point is that God gave certain guidance to certain people/nations at certain times in history. Those commandments that God gave Israel (ie; Dietary laws, temple worship. giving of offerings, punishment for certain crimes/sins, etc) were for them and them only. Sure, we can discover certain attributes of God from his dealing with Israel; but we are not under law to OBey those commandments as they were. Bible states that when one was guilty of one of the laws; he was guilty of all the Law. God dealt with the Israelite primarily as a nation; He deals with us as individuals. We need to be careful about mingling Law and Grace. The VAST majority of false religions and cults builds their doctrines on OT scripture which is overwhelming the Law (of Moses).
  2. Just for the record: My wife also wears pants.
  3. REF POST #149 Well, perhaps you only meant to reference the one person who said it. But, since those 7 pages weren't written by just the one, it's a natural assumption that all of those misguided folk who believe that pants on women are wrong believe they are ungodly. If that wasn't your intention with what reads to me like sarcasm, I apologize. "Since those women who wear pants are ungodly.....there may be seven more pages!!!!!" I try to keep my postings short, to the point and biblically based. However at times I do express my personal opinions. The above statement was meant to convey the old saying "opening a can of worms". As I was growing up: women did not wear pants; neither did they use lipstick and/or makeup; neither did they wear earrings or jewelry(except wedding rings and watches); they only taught the young children and they kept silence in church. How would women of those days judge christian women of today?? We never played sports on Sunday or did any type of work unless it was necessary. Oh yes; we didn't have TV Post #81: The question was asked should the temple of God look like the temple of the devil. You extrapolated from that to say: "A temple signifies an abode. If a woman wears pants, is she therefore abiding in the temple of the devil? IF so, then she must be unsaved." Absolute misapplication of what was referenced. It was clear in the post that the poster said that we are the temple - we are the abode - of the living God. Basically you were trying to imply that the poster meant a woman who wears pants is unsaved. And that's not accurate. If that isn't what you meant, then I apologize. But it was a misapplication of what was said. No misapplication. The question asked, implied that those who wore pants were presenting themselves like the temple of the devil. Therefore I stand behind my response. Is there such a thing as the "temple of the devil"? If so; can a saved person abide in the temple of the devil??
  4. "Some good points here. God's Word applies to everyone today just as it applied to everyone back then and in between. God was well aware of different clothing styles around the world past, present and future." Yes the Word does apply to everyone. However, II Tim 2:15 tells us to rightly divide the word of truth.
  5. Where in my statement am I referring to a number of persons??? Ref your post (#123): If I made any misapplications, list them !!!!!!!!!!!
  6. Since those women who wear pants are ungodly.....there may be seven more pages!!!!!
  7. IF the subject of the verse is man's armor; how does this verse relate to women wearing pants?
  8. Dodging What?? Simply stating that when God says 'Thou shall not'; He means 'Thou shall not'. Becoming an Evangelist?? I thought we all have the responsibility of proclaiming God's word. "I know and how they don't have an opinion of anything" ???? I've never met anyone who doesn't have opinions!!!!! I've just learned to keep most of mine to myself. Hope to see you in Sept.
  9. Down thru the years I've noticed that knowledge has increased, while understanding has decreased.
  10. It's been said "Preaching IS NOT a gift God gives to some; but Preaching IS a commandment God gives to all his children". Therefore if one is a "Preacher" does that automatically make him qualified to be a "Pastor"?? What Think Ye ???
  11. Are we to group 'Preachers and Pastors' in the same Position?? Not to get off the subject of this OP, I'm going over to the IFB Ministry section to start a new OP titled "Preachers vs Pastors".
  12. When taking promises/commandments from the OT; there are questions one must ask: To whom is He speaking to? Why is He giving the promises/commandments? Under what circumstances is He speaking? I've heard it said that there are over 3,000 commandments in the OT; we know that the Bible states that if one is guilty of one, he he guilty of all. Then we know that Christ said that He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill it. We need to be VERY careful when we attempt to apply the OT law to NT teaching. In regards to OP subject; I can name over three local pastors whose daughters have messed up their lives by becoming pregnant. Reminds me of hearing about Billy Sunday and how his sons had prOBlem with alcohol. Just as important: The family 'structure' that we have here in America is very different from that of Israel in the OT. When our children marries, they leave the nest and start their own families. This is not the case in most other countries; in which they normally live in the same community all their lives, and the family elder (Grandfathers, great grandfathers) still carry a lot of authority over the entire family. I found this to be true while stationed in S. Korea many years ago.
  13. I'm Back......Only when the "Boss" is not around!!!!!!!! Talked to Bro Paul the other day. Hope to see you next month.
  14. My favorite preacher?? My wife.......Just in case she looking !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  15. Teaching and helps. To me; preaching is more of a commandment than a gift.
  16. We all have OUR checklist as to what fellow christians should be (how they act, talk, dress, pray, etc etc). PrOBlems arise when (1): OUR checklist is not in tune with God's checklist (Bible) and (2): we opening condemn others through a "holier than thou" attitude. What creates more friction within the Family is not what is said, but how it is said. What creates most friction without the Family is not what is said, but how it is said. I try to treat a lost person with the same respect as I would want to be treated with. Ever wonder why its so hard to get a lost person to come to church!!!!!!!!
  17. "but our appearance portrays our heart": This can very well be true; and it can very well not be true. It all depends on who is doing the looking. Only God can see the heart. I believe many attends church in the very best; but their heart is far from God. Yep. Only God sees the heart. Man looks on the outward appearance, though. And because that is what we see, it is vital. After all, we are the temple of the Living God: should the temple of the living God look like the temple of the devil? A temple signifies an abode. If a woman wears pants, is she therefore abiding in the temple of the devil? IF so, then she must be unsaved. He is also the One who stated "Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together" Yep. But He never said it was an abomination to do so. True, he never used the word 'abomination' in vs 11; but He did say 'THOU SHALT NOT'. Just as he did in vs 5. Needless to say we could keep this going for some time. So let me give my final statement: "When God says "Thou shalt not" and one does what God says "Thou shalt not": HE HAS SINNED AGAINST GOD." He instructs in II Tim 2:15 to rightly divide the word of truth. I have not stated in this thread whether I believe that wearing pants is a sin or not. I've found it very helpful to keep an open mind to both sides of the discussion and not cloud it up with only MY opinions. I know of many godly women who wear pants and are highly respected. Many of those are pastor's wives. So to keep myself out of trouble, I keep my opinions to myself. Thanks for the conservation' but its time to move on. May God richly Bless You and Yours
  18. I try not to assume anything; and I most certainly do not condemn anyone. (ie; A Christian might believe its alright to drink wine; I believe it is a sin. I would never opening condemn that person; however if I present him the Word and the Word condemn him... so be it.) The act of condemning one of God's children should be left up to God and the Pastor. "but our appearance portrays our heart": This can very well be true; and it can very well not be true. It all depends on who is doing the looking. Only God can see the heart. I believe many attends church in the very best; but their heart is far from God. When dealing with people, I keep this thought as a guide: "You can talk your talk..but your walk will reveal truth" "God's Word speaks for itself - He is the One Who stated that a woman wearing that which pertains to a man is an abomination to Him, and vice versa." He is also the One who stated "Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sorts, as of woolen and linen together" God Bless
  19. "So sorry! It was late when I posted that, although that is no excuse! Thanks for the catch." No prOBlem, we have all been there. "vs.5 is teaching the principle of gender identification, a principle that is continued in the NT in various places." For the most part I don't have trouble identifying the gender of an individual based soley upon them wearing pants. I have had to take a double-look based on their hair length. "vs. 11 is teaching the principles of separation and of purity, principles that are also continued in the NT." I don't believe we can separate this verse from the rest. Begining at verse 1 up to verse 11, God states "thou shalt not'. Dealing with these type of verses, some believe that God will convict an individual's heart on whether its right or wrong. I do not believe God will convict one that it is wrong(sin) and then not convict others who are dealing with the same subject. Some believe that we change from generation to generation; ie, how we dress, how we conduct church services, etc. This is true; however, God tells us that He is God and he changes not and his Word is forever settled in heaven. Just like everyone else, I have My little checklist which I believe everyone should adhere to. BUT I do not condemn others who do not meet what I think is right. For example: If a man wears a suit on Sunday morning, he should wear it Sunday evening, Wednesday night, revival time, etc. A man's hair should not be as long as to cover his ears or his shirt collar. My conclusion is this: If I judge myself as much as I judge others (I know the Bible says Judge Not), I will be 100% better off. God Bless
  20. In regards to your above question; I give this question: "How can a Father love his rebellish son, knowing that at times he must apply physical punishment" I've heard this saying: "God loves the sinner, but hates the sin" I personally believe it is impossible for man to fully understand the love of God. We know that whatever God does, it is good whether we understand it or not. "Why do the sinful prosper?"....."Why did God a take my baby?"....."Why did God take my wife and leave me with small children?"....these are examples of events that occur for which it is hard to answer; whether one is a christian or not.
  21. Bro K

    I'm wgp

    Welcome Aboard..... Do you prefer William or Bill
  22. Could you explain what you mean/imply by using the word "Restoration". Thanks and Welcome Aboard.
  23. I must admit I'm a little confused; should not your definitions be switched around?
  24. Deut 22:11 "Thou shalt not wear a garment of divers sort, as of woolen and linen together." Even though the word 'abomination' is not used here as in vs 5; does not HIS statement "Thou shalt not" carry the same weight. If God tells one 'thou shall not' and he does it anyway; is this not sin? Therefore one cannot accept vs 5 and then reject vs 11 or vice versa.
  25. "That's not the plan of salvation." Why give the plan of salvation; if we are not going to give one the opportunity to accept the plan of salvation?
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