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  1. Thanks, Happy. Yes, I was speaking politically. I was also just pointing out that this phrase has been used for awhile so perhaps the alarm isn't entirely being fair to our current president. However, I do believe we should always be vigilant to protect our rights, as they are fundamental to our country and our identity as Americans.

    John, you seem to have quite a lot to say about my church and potentially some questions. I have told you before that I am willing to discuss should you start a thread for that purpose. However the attacks and admonishments are getting a bit tiresome and I should be able to discuss things that have nothing to do with that and still be able to disagree civilly. Also for the record (and since your post seemed to indicate this) I am not a new Christian. I have been a Christian for 20 years. I know that as long as I am on this earth I will have much more to learn, but I allow myself to be taught as well and I don't need to be addressed in a condescending manner.




  2. Let me guess; you prOBably believe that the newspaper source (link in the OP) is completely biased towards conservatism and anti-OBama, too?


    No, on the contrary I think it's a reliable source.




    You can count on CPR to take a liberal position and deny what's going on in order to support such.


    Thanks, but I'm more than capable of explaining my position myself. Not to mention what you said is inaccurate. I'm not "liberal" and I'm not sure what I've denied. On the contrary I'm willing to look at everything that is going on and keep an open mind. Not that it matters, but I didn't vote for OBama. However, I don't automatically try to find fault with everything he says.

    What I said is true, but I doubt anyone will actually want to address it. Instead you will attack me as a liberal which is fine, I'm used to it. If you do want to actually discuss my comment or try to verify it for yourself I'm open for discussion.

  3. I did not know that we live in a country where people can be forced to even work, let alone forced to work on Sunday.


    You may have to work sometimes on sunday if you want to keep your jOB and continue to provide for your family. Like I've said several times but no one seems to want to address, many churches offer alternative worship times for a traditional Sunday morning style service such as on Sunday evening or even Saturday evening. So maybe not being able to attend on Sunday morning all the time isn't such a big deal if you can attend at one of these other times.

  4. My Dad had a jOB with WinnDixie for over 30 years. Dad was in his late 50's and getting closer to retirement and even though he had been a faithful employee for years, they began to put him on irregular work schedules which included sometimes working on Sundays. Dad was a meat cutter, which was the only trade he had ever known, so changing jOBs was not much of an option.

    We had this know-it-all Sundayschool teacher who loved to amen real loud at everything the preacher said except when he got on divorce; then he got mad. Anyway he loved to ramble on about what was wrong with the world and talk about fantastic things like the Masons,the NWO conspiracy, the Catholic Church, the wickedness of Southern Gospel singers, angels cohabiting with humans, etc. So one Sunday Morning during on of his ramblings, he just spoke out and said my Dad wasn't right with God because he worked on Sunday...and Dad was sitting right there! Well, typically, Dad said nothing and I don't recall him ever mentioning it to me either. I was young and, going on the "rebuke not an elder" verse, I was shy about saying anything to the Sunday School teacher as well.

    Dad was a quiet man. He was a Christian outside the churchhouse but didn't make any show about it at church, unlike the Sunday School teacher who loved to amen real loud at every opportunity. Dad witnessed to people, genuinely loved them and brought many to church. But to make a long story short, when my Dad died of cancer at age 59, our church was packed out. People were having to stand out in the foyer. When the Sunday School teacher, who had given EVERY pastor trouble for years, got "churched" by our last pastor, I don't recall anyone mourning his abscence. And to top it off; my Dad's children are both in church today. To my knowledge, his are not. So, I think it's important to be faithful to church. But how you treat your brothers and sisters in Christ and how you live outside the church is more important.


    Very true. These are the types of situations that I'm talking about. Sometimes their isn't an easy option and everyone doesn't get to pick between two jOBs, one that will let them be at church every time the doors open and one that may not. If you can't attend a particular Sunday morning service all the time, many churches have alternative service times such as Sunday evenings or weekday evenings. That could be an option.

  5. For most, its all about choices made, and how much one's faith in God impacts the choices made. Some make choices never considering God, only self, and the amount of money one can make.

    I know of many that consider God, Jesus, in every choice they made, and never would take a jOB that would take them away from church attendance, they felt OBeying God, not forsaking the assembling of them self together as some do, of grave importance, they be the ones who made sacrifices for their Lord, not the ones who chose jOBs that prevented them from attending church services.

    Really now, the topic is 'Steadfastness,' the one who chooses Sunday work and skipping church, are not steadfast at all, they place importance on things that will separate them from Jesus and Jesus' Churches. The ones who are steadfast are the one who let nothing come between them and their church attendance.

    No, those who are in church on Sunday, because they made the right choices for the right reason, they be the steadfast ones, the others, they prove God is of less importance to them than other things. Putting worldly thing in the position of more importance than church attendance is teaching your children that they be things of more importance to you than God, that is wrong.

    Now, I will add, those who are working in the health care, taking care of people who really needs taking care of, hospital, nursing homes, and such, I think they will be excused, that is if they did so for the right reason, and yes, motive does mean a lot.

    I having been called by God to preach the Gospel, I have to look at it from the Bibles perspective, and refuse to ease the conscience of those who CHOSE not to put God 1st as many do. Its not me not being compassionate, its their lack of compassion for the Lord their God when making choices.


    Are people really steadfast if they've never had to turn down a jOB that required work that would take them away from church? You mention people in healthcare. I agree with your exception there, we certainly need them at all times. But what about others? What motives are okay? Is taking care of your family in the only jOB you could find in this terrible economy not an okay motive?


    I'm not sure I'm reading this correctly. "Minister" means "servant," which means "a person who voluntarily serves another or acts as his minister." A church "minister" who doesn't consider his congregation's needs doesn't have a servant's heart.

    Now, needs can be confused with desires. If you meant desires rather than needs, I would agree with that. But if your church had 100 members and 99 couldn't meet on Wednesday nights, but could on Thursday nights, wouldn't you move your service to Thursday nights? Maybe half could meet on Wednesday nights and the other half on Thursday nights, then how about services on both nights? I think a servant-minded minister would consider various options to meet the needs of his congregation.

    The chaplains aboard my ship held services at different times of the week to ensure every Sailor had the opportunity to worship. Those chaplains were ministering to the needs of the Sailors who couldn't attend the regular Sunday service. If they didn't, a lot of Sailors wouldn't get to attend worship services.



    I agree with this and it was what I was trying to convey with my post. All Christians and church members, but especially ministers, should be sensitive to the needs of the community that they serve.
  6. I was thinking about this topic, and to be sure sometimes there are reasons that people do not go to church that aren't good excuses. They just want to watch the ball game or go shopping or something like that. However, perhaps we should be more compassionate to people who don't have exactly the same life and schedule that we do. Some people legitimately can't get to church on Sunday mornings and I think it's more people than we think sometimes. Instead of condemning and saying that they should change whatever is keeping them out of church, maybe we should, as the Body of Christ, look at their situation and how we can help those who really desire to be involved in worship and the church. Maybe we can expand service times. Many churches offer services on Sunday evenings and even Saturday evenings. Sometimes evening services during the week in urban areas allow people to come to worship after work. These options would not work for every church and would not appropriately serve every congregation, but sometimes, before we assume that people are making excuses, we might should look at their struggles and their situations and see how church can be a blessing in their lives instead of another stressor.


  7. I'm in agreement with CPR. If you all want to discuss the Episcopal church, you can start another thread. However, just a word of warning: let's keep it civil - both the new thread, if begun, and this one, which has veered off of civility...

    Else I might have to lock. :coolsmiley:


    Thanks, Happy. Yes, we are all Christians here and we shouldn't try to hurt each other. Words can hurt and even though it's an internet forum we are speaking to real people with feelings.
  8. I agree, regular church attendance should be a priority. I'll also add that some churches are expanding worship times to meet the needs of the community where they are located. For example, in the neighborhood where I live, there are several large universities as well as many young professionals. Many churches, including my own, have a Sunday evening service just like the one or two morning services. The evening services are usually well attended by a mix of people in the community, members and visitors, and are great for younger people. I think this is a wonderful way to reach more people.

  9. I agree. I understand wanting to visit the area, but I don't think that people who have been baptized should be baptized again. I've already been baptized and I don't need to do it over because it was sufficient the first time. I think this does cheapen it some if people start to feel like it is somehow "better" if they are able to go and be baptized in the Jordan.

    Edited because even though it's late I still know how to spell! :)


  10. While Cooper is wrong in some things and has poor communications skills, you leave yourself open by being a part of an unbiblical church which practices that which God says not to do and is aligned with those who promote that which God calls an abomination.

    True Christians can be in an Episcopalian church but if they truly love Christ they will follow Him by leaving the degenerate Episcopal church which is yoked to an abundance of wickedness as condemned in Scripture.

    There are no "opinions" as to the validity of women or homosexual priests/pastors. The Word of God is perfectly clear that only men are to be priests/pastors and homosexuality is a sin so vile God calls it an abomination and anyone involved is sexual sin is unqualified to be a priest/pastor.

    Those aligned with the Episcopal church are supporting this wickedness. they are giving the appearance of evil and they are leading others astray.

    If you follow the history of the church you will see numerous churches going astray and you will see those who truly follow Christ separating themselves from such and forming biblical churches.


    I am willing and happy to discuss the Episcopal Church and what Episcopalians believe, but it would prOBably be best to start a new thread than to discuss it on TC's thread. Also, the original topic of this thread relates to Catholics so we are getting pretty off topic here (I'm guilty of helping us get off topic).

    I'm not trying to be rude. John, I do enjoy discussing things with you, even when we disagree. I would be happy to answer any questions or address anything if a thread for that topic is started for that purpose.

  11. So you are calling Biblical proof and sermons of Godly men of the Word "filth"! What a surprise, NOT!

    And you admit that all the issues I brought forth are indeed true: women priests, homo priests (nothing controversial about this--homos are abominable), corrupted "scripture".

    To answer your insolent accusations, I, and everybody anywhere I preach, use the Christian Bible. That's KJV 1611! Use of Johnsonian lexicography doesn't change the fact that it is indeed the Word.

    As for the issue of apocrypha, which was included only for reference purposes, and not as scripture, any real Christian and heathen interested in being informed can see this Christian link: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0031/0031_01.asp

    This Christian web site is also a great source of information: http://www.av1611.org


    I think we're done here. I enjoy discussions, but I do not enjoy talking to people who are immune to reason and facts and unable to carry on a conversation. You continue to post the same links and "sermons" and I'm pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say that we all see through it and we are tired of it.

  12. Much of what one needs to know about Episcopalianism is pretty evident from your signature. "Star Wars"? Star Wars are satanism plain and simple: http://lasttrumpetnewsletter.org/2005/05_05_l.html

    Women priests? Homo priests?

    And wouldn't you enlighten us as to whether your churches use the Christian (KJV 1611) Bibles or the satanic (per)versions?


    I don't click on your links; I don't want the filth you promote on my computer.

    Yes, my church has a female priest. I don't argue that on here because many disagree with it and I respect the views of this board. As far as homosexual priests, most dioceses and parishes do not accept homosexual clergy. It is a controversial issue for many denominations currently and most are trying to deal with it through Scripture and prayer, not screaming and name calling.

    My church does not exclusively use the KJV. However, the KJV would not exist without the Church of England, and I would also bet that you do not use a 1611 KJV seeing as how it would contain the Apocrypha and the Anglican lectionary.

    Additionally, there are ways to indicate that you take a KJV-only position without calling other Bible versions satanic, which is quite offensive and borders on heresy.

  13. You can't be serious? You can no more be a Christian and Episcopalian than you can be a Christian and a pagan!


    :nuts:

    No, it is you that cannot be serious. I would wager my last dollar that you know next to nothing about the Episcopal Church and what you do know is horribly misinformed, just like everything else you've said here.

  14. Is that coming from an Episcopalian? How are those homo priests in your "churches"?

    Regarding means and ends, the Lord never bothered being PC, and neither should we!


    Yes, I am Episcopalian, but I am a Christian first. As for the rest of your post, I am not going to dignify your ill-informed statement by commenting. You are here to anger people and so we are done here.

  15. There is a young woman of about 40 that works with my wife that has diabetes. She is not taking care of self. She has been in the hospital several times in real bad condition.

    I guess her husband does not care, last time she had to be taken to the hospital him and there 2 sons left town that day or the next day headed to central Arkansas, about 160 or more miles, to a shooting match.

    She does not check her blood sugar, she just estimates and gives her self a shot.

    No doubt, diabetes is some very bad stuff. I know I have had about 4 or 5 friend died from complications of diabetes in the last 4 or 5 years.

    I feel sure there will be pleanty of people who will eat that stuff, for some people will eat anything. I want be one of them.


    I will not be one of them either! :vomit:

  16. The only way I see that would work is for the spy to go in, gain information, relay it to others, and never revel himself.

    But them a thought just hit my mind, that would be deceiving people, I don't believe that would stand up to the Golden Rule, for we would not want anyone to do that to us, and we are to do to others as we wish them to do unto us.

    That Golden Rule will get into the way of many of our fleshly ideas.

    So I started this post defending, and I now find myself on the other side. The worse thing about being wrong is to never admit your wrong when you find your in the wrong. I was wrong for defending sending in spies. If we want to find out something about another denomination we ought to do so in and upfront manner.

    The thing is, if they found out before they accepted Jesus as Savior, that just might harden their heart so hard that they would never accept God's truths. And even if they found out afterwards it still might have an ill effect on them.


    Very good points Jerry, I completely agree!

  17. My ministry has been active in infiltrating numerous dens of iniquity, including the KKK, Wiskeypalian "churches", Homolutheran "churches", and some Dakist congregations. It's a specialized world, we all do what we can do best, and I'd rather leave Mormons, JW's, and Mooslims to specialists like Larry Keffer and James Lyman.


    No reason for derogatory puns. I trust you enjoyed worshipping with my denomination and I trust everyone was quite friendly, regardless of your motives. Nothing to see here... Not sure why you enjoy "preaching to the converted" but I'm assuming this post is gonna fall on deaf ears so I'm gonna stop now...

  18. A South Carolina mother suffocated her two precious little sons, 1 and 2 years old, placed her car in neutral and pushed it into South Carolina's Edisto River. The story is beyond comprehension. How could such a horror ever happen?

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/17/south.carolina.children.deaths/index.html?hpt=T1


    This is so sad! I'm from SC and I'm not sure if y'all remember, but back in the early 90s there was a similar story that became national news. Susan Smith pushed her little boys asleep in their carseats into a lake. She then reported a carjacking and kidnapping. Had the whole state on edge for days to see if they would find those two precious boys. Makes me tear up just thinking about it. Of course they figured out what she did and pulled the car out of the lake. It's still one of the saddest news stories I can think of.
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