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  1. I'm going to regret getting involved, but I guess this was going to play out sooner or later... What I find interesting is that Baptists and most other non-Catholics did not like the old Catholic church's insistence that their church was the only true one and the only one for true Christians or that could truly save you. However, don't tell a fundamentalist Baptist that you aren't a Baptist because then apparently you are likely not even saved. If you are saved, you are either backslidden, ignorant of God's Word, or not wanting to really follow Jesus. Yet in the same breath they'll tell you that the church doesn't save you. I agree, the church doesn't save you. However, it seems that they really think that the Baptist church is the only "right" one. Now John, I know you're going to say that your church is technically non-denominational, but I'm pretty sure you would call yourself a Baptist and that your church operates just like a Baptist church save the name on the door. All I'm saying is what my mom told me once when I was younger. God's box is a lot bigger than the box a lot of people try to make him fit in.
  2. CPR

    Communion

    That verse as well as the one about the wine is read every time we take Communion. As I said, each church should do as they feel God would have them do regarding the issue of who they allow to partake. I agree that it does not save you. Please don't misunderstand the phrase "the cup of salvation." It is not to imply that the cup and the wine saves you. Rather, the cup and the wine are a symbol of the blood of Christ, which does save us. As far as sacraments, I believe that it is a sacrament that we do in remembrance of the sacrifice of Jesus.
  3. CPR

    Communion

    I get what you're saying. In the "Communion service" part of our service we have a built in time for prayer and examination that is always the same that leads people through that process. Now of course you have to do it sincerely but I feel like it's very guided if someone wasn't familiar with Communion at our church or at all (like a new Christian). It's a solemn time of repentance, examination and thanksgiving. Of course, there are reasons to do it each way, so every church has to decide how they think God would have them do it. I agree, I think it's interesting to discuss how different churches OBserve Communion since we prOBably experience it just with our own church.
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    Communion

    Many liturgical churches take Communion in a way that I can see looks similar to the way it is practiced in the Catholic church. There are differences in the way the Sacrament is administered and, as you mentioned, who can receive it. All baptized Christians can receive Communion at my church, regardless of denomination, etc because we believe that it is the Lord's table for his people. That's why we say "the gifts of the Lord for the people of the Lord." Also, the thirty-nine articles are clear that we do not believe in transubstantiation, which is a very distinctive doctrine of the Catholic church.
  5. The smell of the ocean and the salt air on the coast What's your favorite vacation spot? (guess I gave mine away )
  6. CPR

    Communion

    Thanks for all the responses! I think the small differences are interesting. I realized that in starting the topic I never answered my own questions so here goes: We take Communion every Sunday. All baptized Christians are welcome to participate. We follow the order of service in the Book of Common Prayer which includes, prayers for forgiveness of sins, reflection, and prayer and praise as we remember the sacrifice and thank God for his saving grace. We go forward by rows and kneel to receive the bread and the wine. The priest/reverend places the bread in your hand and says either "the body of Christ broken for you" or "the body of Christ; take this in remembrance that Christ died for you." You eat that, the they come around with the cup (one cup) and say either, "the blood of Christ, shed for you" or "the blood of Christ, the cup of salvation." You can also keep the bread/wafer and dip it in the cup (intinction) if you prefer. After that you go back to your seat and many people chose to kneel and pray. The choir is singing and the congregation joins in singing the hymn as they are ready. For me, it is a very meaningful part of worship.
  7. I've noticed that in various topics the subject of Communion often comes up and it seems that the practices vary slightly among different churches (even among those of the same denomination). I thought it would be interesting to discuss how everyone's church OBserves Communion. I'm always curious to know and I think others might be too since we tend to OBserve with our own churches and may take for granted that everyone does it the same way (or maybe that's just me ). So maybe people could discuss the following: - How often? - Who is invited to participate? - If participation is limited, how is that monitored (if at all)? - How do you receive the elements - (go down front and kneel, don't kneel, stay at your seat, other options?) - Is there a specific service (prayers, something specific the pastor says every time, certain order of things, etc) - One cup or individual cups? - What mode? (eat then drink, intinction, etc) Anything else? I just think it's interesting and it frequently comes up. I hope this doesn't turn into a debate of what is the "right" way, just an interesting discussion of how things are done in various churches.
  8. Hope it works out for you. Does anyone have things like this in church? These look a lot like the kneelers that flip down from the back of the pews that we use during services.
  9. I think that people should also take into account the hairstyle that is flattering to their face shape and facial features, as well as they type of hair that they have.
  10. I do read my Bible - a few versions actually. And I've read and studied the writings of the founders. The thing is they were pretty smart and had a way with words. They knew how things were across the pond and if they had wanted to say Christianity they would have. If they had wanted to make this country a haven for Christians of different denominations they would have said that. But they didn't. They chose to advocate for religious freedom because they realized how terrible it is to be persecuted for a religious belief no matter what that belief is. This isn't a theocracy. Original intent won't hold water here. My behavior isn't different in church than it is elsewhere. Also, I don't abide by a set of "rules" I abide by God's grace. The reason I say that church and state are different is because they are. The government is not a church. I am not going to use the government to force my religion or my religious beliefs and preferences on people. That is neither biblical, reasonable, or acceptable. People who want to use the government to oppose the building of a mosque are doing just that.
  11. I'm not trying to start a debate or anything, but what length would "obviously long" hair be considered? Not trying to get legalistic or anything, I'm not expecting something like "2 inches below the ears" or something ridiculous, but just in general what people's opinions are of what would constitute obviously long hair.
  12. College football starts back!!!! What's your favorite team?
  13. Well unless you want to turn this into China or the Soviet Union there is. People are free to criticize the government or the country here. Kick them back to the middle east? Well, you can deport people who are here on visas. As far as people who are citizens and people who have always been Americans (many of whom are Muslim) you really can't kick them out. If anyone does, you and I better start getting nervous. As far as the example of the British during the American Revolution? That was before we ever had a Constitution.
  14. There's a difference in matters of church and matters of state. If you can't tell the difference than there isn't much i can do to help you there. I betcha the Founding Fathers would support the building of a mosque seeing as how they wrote the Constitution and found freedom of religion important enough to make it the first amendment. P.S. The proposed mosque site isn't anymore at ground zero than my Manhattan apartment is.
  15. Um, I don't think X exists! You are worthy
  16. As far as background checks, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that. Unfortunately that's being realistic in the world we live in today. Most people in jOBs that work closely with people in one on one and/or sensitive situations have to undergo background checks. Nurses, doctors, teachers, counselors, just to name a few. Google "clergy abuse" or "church abuse" and you will find more results than you can count. It's not just the Catholic church either. Sadly it takes place in all denominations. Churches and Christians have a responsibility to protect their community, parishoners, and fellow Christians. If a simple background check prevents a tragedy, how could anyone OBject? Isn't it worth it? The answer is a resounding yes.
  17. Well, regardless, everyone has a right to their opinion, New Yorker or not! However, I do think that it's important and something opponents of the issue haven't addressed; if the proposed site is too close, where isn't too close? Many court cases have further defined eminent domain, we could prOBably argue what was originally intended forever. What it was most certainly never intended to do was "keep the peace." Public benefit is the overarching principle. Let me assure you, if eminent domain is used in an attempt to put an end to this issue people will will not be happy for all kinds of reasons. Muslims, Constitutional scholars, Americans who know their country is better than that, New Yorkers, you name it they will be outraged. And rightfully so.
  18. Umm, eminent domain can't be exercised willy-nilly like that in this country for any reason. By that logic the government could seize your house or your church any day now because they decided they didn't like you. Regardless of how a few nutcases want us to start treating Muslims, we don't do things like that in this country. Holy War? Oookay. Actually, you can live near ground zero with your family, many families do. Granted, your structure would have to follow zoning laws, but say you bought the old Burlington Coat Factory building and wanted to modify it for living space for your family, you could. And there is a church even closer to ground zero than the proposed mosque/community center. So if you say not there, where? How far is far enough? I'm seriously asking here because at some point that will have to be determined. So how far? Lower Manhattan? NYC? The United States? Because right now people don't want a mosque to be built in Tennessee and that's pretty far from ground zero.
  19. Wow, I've stayed out of this discussion, but that comment was unkind and uncalled for. Really not what I would expect from a Christian. There are lots of reasons for financial hardships, especially in this economy. God does promise to provide for our needs, but he does not promise that we won't be poor or that we will not have financial hardships. I have not read where Standing Firm has indicated that he hasn't had his needs provided for or that he hasn't prayed for and trusted in God to provide. That is what we are promised, our needs provided for, not earthly material riches. Before we start condemning others let's remember that God asks different things of each of us. We are not all called to give the same amount or serve in the same way. However, God uses each of us for a unique purpose and his grace is truly a wonderful thing!
  20. First off, I'm going to go ahead and apologize for my part in derailing this thread. Secondly, my signature is perhaps ill thought out. It is a joke more than anything that most people I know think is funny and I think that we should all be able to laugh at ourselves from time to time. I'll gladly remove it if it offends for the sake of harmony. Now I've been posting on this forum for awhile because I enjoy the discussion here with fellow Christians. OBviously I do not post in the IFB-only areas because I am not IFB. I was not aware that it offended anyone or anyone thought that I should not be on here. Not everyone on this forum is IFB, and it is a public forum so I wasn't aware that I was doing anything wrong. Now you mention "show me the right way." Again, no one has ever asked me what I believe, what my church teaches, etc. Not once. So I fail to see how anyone can assume that I am going the wrong way. Just because Baptists teach the truth doesn't mean that others don't. I fail to see why an Episcopalian, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc cannot know God's saving grace from attending their church. I know first hand that we can and we do.
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