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    Covenanter got a reaction from Thaddeus in Calvinism on the March   
    That's encouraging, that the Biblical truth nicknamed "Calvinism" is being more widely accepted. The most faithful churches are the "reformed baptist."
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    Covenanter got a reaction from BabeinChrist in America In The Bible   
    I do not consider nations named in OT prophecy are specific nations relating to future end times, though you might like to consider references to "the isles" as referring to the British Isles - a nation with great significance in the fight against the RCC & the spread of the Gospel.
     
    However, I submit that the most important nation - the only significant one - is the holy nation of believers. Peter shows that the promise to Israel is fulfilled in the holy nation of believers, aka the church.
    Ex. 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will OBey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine: 6 and ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
     
    1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 10 which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not OBtained mercy, but now have OBtained mercy.
     
    We are a "called out" people - the people of God - called out of every nation. Kindred refers to the tribes of Israel.
    Rev. 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation; 10 and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
     
    The Christian war is not against specific nations or human enemies but against our spiritual enemies:
    Eph. 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
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    Covenanter got a reaction from Saved41199 in Baptists that came out of the Reformation   
    ​There were many independent baptist (small 'b') churches before & after the Reformation. These were persecuted as "Anabaptists" as to re-baptise those baptised in infancy was seen as sedition against the state church & the state that authorised whichever church the rulers supported. 
    A popular treatment is in the book "Trail of Blood" & a more scholarly treatment in "The Reformers & Their Stepchildren." A review of the Stepchildren book can be read on line.
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    Covenanter got a reaction from Genevanpreacher in Comment On Current Debate   
    Thanks, @BroMatt for agreeing to the debate & providing the format, & thanks to all for their contributions in this thread. 
    I trust you have been blessed, whether you agree or not. I've found it helpful in my understanding of God's Word. 
     
     
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    Covenanter reacted to heartstrings in 103-year-old Georgia woman banned from her church   
    The good "reverend" called the law on a church member for a civil offense?(1 Corinthians 6:1-8) A 103yo woman was a danger only to his pride and his power.
    Woe be unto the pastors that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD. Jeremiah 23:1
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    Covenanter reacted to John81 in Russia blocks world’s biggest porn site for endangering children   
    Russia blocks world’s biggest porn site for endangering children
    MOSCOW, September 15, 2015 (LifeSiteNews) – Russia blocked access to Pornhub – the world’s biggest porn site – as well as 10 other pornography sites this week after a court ruled the sites were breaking the law.
    The Russian government’s communication watchdog Roskomnadzor announced Monday that a court in the city of Krasnodar ruled that the websites had violated federal laws protecting children from “harmful information.”
    The court also ruled the adult sites illegally produced and distributed pornography, although it’s uncertain what precise content brought about the ban, according to The Verge.
    Pornhub has acknowledged the ban. “We can confirm that Roskomnadzor has blacklisted Pornhub in Russia and we are currently investigating and considering available means to reinstate our website in Russia,” a spokesperson stated in an email.
    Roskomnadzor’s statement warned that distributing illegal pornography online carries a prison sentence of two to six years on conviction.
    https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/russia-blocks-worlds-biggest-porn-site-for-endangering-children?utm_source=LifeSiteNews.com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=f4e73a1b28-LifeSiteNews_com_US_Headlines_06_19_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0caba610ac-f4e73a1b28-326216462
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    Covenanter reacted to John81 in Russia blocks world’s biggest porn site for endangering children   
    It's ironic, and perhaps something God is using to try and shame us, that Russia, a nation we (America) have long viewed as godless and immoral, in many areas are taking a higher moral stand (at times even appealing to God for their reasons) than are we.
    America not only legalizes homosexual "marriage", but flaunts it in the faces of the world while boasting about how tolerant we are and how intolerant and backwards those who don't are. Meanwhile, Russia has outlawed public displays of and promotion of homosexuality. America boasts at her progressiveness in allowing, even encouraging, homosexual adoption of children while Russia has outlawed such as immoral and called homosexuality an affront to God.
    America is the leading producer and world supplier of porn. America declares even the sickest aspects of porn to be a matter of "free speech" and a sign of freedom. The American porn industry has grown so large it takes in far more money each year than does Hollywood. Russia has been fighting this filth, with earlier restrictions in April and now this blocking of the worlds largest internet porn site. Russia rightly labels porn to be the filth and evil destroyer that it is.
    Russia taking the moral high ground while America dances in the sewer with cheers and invites the world to join them.
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    Covenanter reacted to Genevanpreacher in The 7th Shemita is here   
    Yes Eric. I am.
    I am done slamming you. And I no longer am holding this against you brother.
    I think you might be regretting making a strong stand as you have done.
    I just want to say that the Lord has been working on me about my attitude today, and I know that you are not at fault here.
    Yes, nothing happened on the last day of the Shmita. So what. You made a stand on something that you really had a heart for. That is a good trait to have brother.
    I have made similar stands before, with failure.
    Stand firm friend in the things that remain, and the Lord bless you with strength to fight the good fight of faith.
    Hope you read this in the spirit that I mean this.
    Russ.
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    Covenanter got a reaction from Genevanpreacher in Debate - Prophecy in Daniel 9   
    Thank you, Brother Scott for the manner in which you have conducted the debate & the thought provoking challenges in your postings. I hope & pray that our contributions to this & other threads will be helpful to others as we discuss the Holy Scriptures.
     
    While we disagree on many points, it is wonderful that we have a fundamental agreement on our shared salvation by faith in our Lord & Saviour Jesus Christ, & our eternal hope of glory in the NH&NE.
     
    I'll begin with John's request from the discussion thread, & my reply:
     
    Begin with the passage:
    24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
    As I understand this Scripture:
    The prophecy is about the Messiah, the Lord Jesus Christ, his saving work & its results for for God's redeemed people;
    Generally OT prophecy is best understood by its fulfilment, particularly in the life & ministry of Jesus, his saving work, & the Gospel resulting from the saving work, therefore read the NT to understand the OT;
    The timescale - completed in 70 weeks or 490 years - around 35 AD;
    69 weeks takes us to the baptism of Jesus, so the 70th week includes Jesus earthly ministry & the early Apostolic ministry - the first half of Acts;
     Old Testament (Old Covenant) vision & prophecy will be sealed up by Messiah's life & saving ministry so that prophecy focuses on Jesus, his saving work & his kingdom, not on Israel's future, apart from the glorious restored covenant relationship detailed in v. 24; 
    All the blessings for God's people of v. 24 are accomplished by Messiah's saving work, and are received by repentance & faith and must be appropriated in the present Gospel age of grace;
    Messiah's saving work - his death for sinners - ends the examples, shadows & patterns of the Law, so that the temple, and Jerusalem centred worship will cease with the destruction of the temple & city;
    OT prophecy includes judgement for those who reject the covenant & particularly for those who reject the Messiah (Deut. 18, quoted by Peter in Acts 3);
    The timescale for the perfect realisation of the prophesied covenant blessings of v. 24 is not revealed - the focus is on Jesus & his saving ministry - but Jesus himself in his Olivet prophecy could not reveal the timescale for his coming, only the timescale for the destruction;
    The perfect fulfilment of all prophecy & covenant promises for Israelite believers, together with believers from all nations on earth will be accomplished in the NH&NE, after Jesus returns for resurrection & judgement, which is the next & final event of prophecy. 
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    A gap between 69 & 70, future end times tribulation, millennium, restored kingdom for national Israel, earthly reign of Messiah, etc, are not written in the passage.
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    As I understand Bro Scott,
    He sees OT promises & prophecies specifically relating to the earthly nation of Israel, & as they were not fulfilled before Messiah came, & the nation rejected Messiah & the Apostolic Gospel, & are not being fulfilled now in the present nation of Israel, there must be a future dispensation when all the OT prophecies happen literally. 
    That requires a gap in the 70 weeks, re-establishment of Israel as a Jewish nation, rebuilding the temple, & then destroying it all again in the 70th week, after which the surviving Israelites will believe in Jesus Christ who will reign over them as a mortal people, on earth, in person, for 1,000 years. 
    The present Gospel age is thus in effect a gap in prophetic revelation between weeks 69 & 70 during which God is not dealing with Israel as a nation, but mainly the Gentiles, & any Jews who do repent & believe in Jesus Christ.
    [We don't hear much from the dispensationalists about the dreadful end of their millennium when all hell breaks loose & the wonderful restored earthly kingdom of Israel is burnt up along with the old earth, so that a NH&NE can be established. ] 
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    I hope that is a fair brief summary of Bro Scott's position.
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    Brother Scott replied:
     
    Brother Day,
    Although I myself would add more details, and although I would not claim that all of these things are taught specifically in and by Daniel 9:24-27, and although a few of the specifics are not exactly correct to my position, the above was indeed a fair "brief summary" of my position -- all except the parenthetical note at the end of the summary.   
    Concerning the truth, instruction, and promise of 2 Peter 3:11 -- Amen, and AMEN!

     
    Brother Scott then replied with a detailed summary:
    http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23411-comment-on-current-debate/?do=findComment&comment=412168
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    Putting the summary even simpler, I believe Dan. 9:24-27 refers to the Messiah, Jesus Christ & his finished saving work at Calvary, followed by the Apostolic Gospel, so that the purpose of the 70 weeks is the securing of the promised blessings to repentant sinners, & the confirmation of the covenant – as the new covenant - relationship of God with his people, both Israel & Gentiles who come to the same saving faith in Jesus. The fulfilment of the prophecy is thus recorded in Scripture, in the Gospels & the first half of Acts.
    Brother Scott considers that the whole prophecy concerns the nation of Israel, & is yet to be fulfilled - in a future millennium, & has no relevance to the present Gospel age of grace. The blessings of 9:24 teach the perfect millennial condition of the people of Israel.

     
    In his final posting, Brother Scott raised points of interpretation – jot & tittle:
    [underlining mine for emphasis]
    How can you come to a right understanding of what God the Holy Spirit precisely intended to communicate in the Scriptures, if you first rearrange the precise grammatical arrangement for the words by which He communicated?  Precise grammatical analysis (as that in which I engage) handles each statement of God’s Holy Word word-for-word according to the precise grammatical arrangement in which God the Holy Spirit inspired and communicated that statement of God’s Holy Word.  (For example – If God the Holy Spirit inspired the coordinating conjunction “and” to be precisely arranged at the beginning of each and every independent statement (sentence, clause) in a series of statements, then God the Holy Spirit had a precise reason for so arranging that conjunction; and it is my responsibility as a Bible student to discern and understand God the Holy Spirit’s precise reason for so doing.)  Such a practice is not “extreme” grammatical analysis.  Rather, such a practice is a precise, word-for-word (“jot and tittle”) grammatical analysis that regards and respects every single word that God the Holy Spirit inspired, in the precise grammatical arrangement in which God the Holy Spirit inspired it.  Indeed, such a practice is “rightly dividing” God’s Holy Word of truth.  Indeed, such a practice is the only way to understand precisely what God the Holy Spirit has inspired and communicated, before we engage in the matters of “interpretation” and “application.”
    Throughout this discussion-debate it has become apparent to me that the primary disagreement between Brother Day and myself is not over Daniel 9:24-27, but is over the method of Bible study itself.  Therefore, with my conclusion to this concluding post of the discussion-debate, I wish to provide a warning unto the members of the audience.  The Lord our God desires that we should study His Holy Word according to the principle of precise detail, “rightly dividing” precisely in accord with the precise pattern that God the Holy Spirit has inspired.  Indeed, in Deuteronomy 8:3 the Lord our God teaches the truth that we do not live by physical food alone, but “by every word” that has proceeded out of His mouth as recorded in His Holy Word.  In Matthew 5:18 our Lord Jesus Christ indicated the importance of every “jot and tittle” in God’s Holy Word, indicating that not even one of them would pass “till all be fulfilled.”  Even so, any Bible study or Bible teaching that follows a method of loose generalities, wherein things that are not precisely presented in God’s Word as the same are claimed to be the same, should be rejected as faulty.  Indeed, when a Biblical position teaches us that there is “no need to study every detail” of the truths and promises of God’s Word concerning a matter, or that there is no need to ask concerning specific details of truth on a matter because it would be superfluous to do so, then that position of belief should be viewed with spiritual suspicion. 
    I agree 100% when Brother Scott says “the primary disagreement between Brother Day and myself is not over Daniel 9:24-27, but is over the method of Bible study itself. ”
    I replied in detail to his final paragraph (above) in my post of Sept 1st in the comments thread:
    http://www.onlinebaptist.com/home/topic/23411-comment-on-current-debate/?do=findComment&comment=411823
    But, does his attention to every jot & tittle find support in the words of our Lord? I think not, if we analyse them in context.
    Mat. 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

     
    We need to read the inspired words – the inspired Word – in its immediate context, & in its wider context. Jesus is there declaring that “I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.” The minutiae of the Law would indeed be fulfilled, perfectly, by the One who gave the Law. The Law & covenants were hopelessly broken by the priests, lawyers & Pharisees who paid extreme attention to the detail. See Mat. 23. Jesus as the true Israel, as the covenant surety for his people, fulfilled the Law, so that in him we have perfect righteousness – the righteousness of faith. As Gabriel puts it: “to bring in everlasting righteousness.”
    Jesus quoted from Hosea 6:6 on two occasions when the Pharisees accused him or his disciples of breaking the Law – eating with publicans & sinners, & eating with unwashed hands. Mat. 9 & 12. Those who paid extreme attention to the precise details of the Law were rebuked as not understanding the Word of God:
    But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.
    Paul the ex-Pharisee puts it like this:
    Phil3: 3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. 4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more: 5 circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6 concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9 and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

     
    Incidentally Paul is writing to the Philippians, where it is presumed Philippi did not have enough Jews to establish a synagogue, so he went to a riverside women's prayer meeting. And he writes to them: we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh. He teaches that the Gentile believers are the circumcision which brings us to another major point of interpretation:
    There is no suggestion in the teaching of Jesus or his Apostles that the Gospel age beginning at Pentecost is in any sense a gap in the purposes of God; that God is concentrating on saving Gentiles until such time as the Jews come to repentance after the church has been “raptured.” The inclusion of uncircumcised Gentiles into the church was accepted by the Jewish Christians at the Jerusalem conference (Acts 15) and as that went against the laws for incorporating foreigners into Israel, Exo. 12:48 it does show a surprising change. That is not a “replacement” but an inclusion. Paul refers to that inclusion as a mystery. Rom. 11:25 , Eph. 3:1-11 Note particularly:
    8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; 9 and to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: 10 to the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God, 11 according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: 

     
    The present Gospel age Jew-Gentile body of Christ is according to the eternal purpose which he purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord: It certainly isn't a gap.

     
    Your conclusions from your attention to the precise grammatical detail of OT prophecy show a blindness to the reality of the fulfilment in & by the Messiah, our Lord Jesus Christ.
    You maintain that “not one New Testament passage precisely indicates that it is a fulfillment of Daniel’s 70th“week” of years.”
    I maintain that a reading of the Dan. 9 prophecy, in context, and keeping it in mind as we read the Gospels & Epistles will show that countless New Testament passages – indeed the whole message of the NT - show that Jesus Christ & his saving work is the fulfilment of the prophecy.
    Dare anyone wait for another dispensation to come to repentance? NOW is the day of salvation. The Jews who rejected the Messiah & the Apostolic Gospel suffered the prophesied consequences.
     

     
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    Covenanter got a reaction from John81 in Schools Now Pushing Soft Porn for Tweens, Islam for All Kids   
    We must recognise antichrist is his many manifestations.
     
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    Covenanter reacted to John81 in Schools Now Pushing Soft Porn for Tweens, Islam for All Kids   
    Schools Now Pushing Soft Porn for Tweens, Islam for All Kids
    This new school year under expansive Common Core curriculum and standards testing, children will have data collected by the government about behavioral and mental aptitude, not their test scores. No matter what a governor or state school board might claim, if the state receives federal money in any form, it is participating in data collection without parental consent. Parents have the constitutional right to opt out their child by filling out this form.
    And the Exodus Mandate is encouraging and providing resources for Christian parents to do more than opt out, but to exit the public school system altogether. Two excellent videos explain why.
    When it comes to "sex education," minors are taught the benefits of nontraditional sex, beginning in the fifth grade, to the normalcy of their own "sexual fluidity" in the seventh grade and higher. Additionally, the U.S. Dept. of Education no longer defines parents as mothers or fathers, but as Parent 1, Parent 2 on student aid forms.
    In New York City, teens via a tax funded smartphone app can locate free condoms within walking and free clinics where they can receive prescriptions and medication, and abortions and IUD implants—without parental consent. The Plan B pill is also distributed at public schools, again without parental knowledge.
    Parents are protesting school board policies that require their heterosexual children to share a bathroom or locker room to accommodate another child's experimentation with "gender fluidity." 
    Incredibly disturbing, is a book on the fourth-grade reading list, It's Perfectly Normal, which illustrates in words and pictures soft-porn to 10-year-olds. Parents are not told which books are on the reading list and are not given an option to reject or pull their child out prior to being taught such perversion. 
    When it comes to parental rights, educators have expressed: children don't belong to their parents. In response, parents are now legally fighting the government over school choice, data collection and curriculum.
    Most problematic about Common Core curriculum is its emphasis on teaching Islam, or rather a false version of it.
    Yet—no Bible or prayer is allowed—but learning to pray in the direction of Mecca is. Children can't say or write the name of Jesus or talk about God, but they are taught the five pillars of Islam in addition to over 120 pages on Islam in the seventh grade alone. Parents have provided numerous examples, from vocabulary tests, to textbook language and pictures, to actual testimony of children feeling uncomfortable having to attend a school trip to a mosque and to kneeling and praying to something they reject. Once parents object and try to opt out, they are told their child would receive a failing grade and they as parents would not be allowed to enter their child's public school at a particular time.
    Most important, Islam is not being taught within the context of world religions, but within the context of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) indoctrination. The Constitution isn't taught. The Bible isn't taught. But Muhammad is taught as an astute businessman—and that all Christians, Jews, and Muslims believe in the same God, they just call God by a different name.
    What's essential for every parent and citizen to understand is that teaching Islam violates the First and 14th Amendments. The Common Core curriculum tests were created by Pearson Education, which has offices the in Qatar and Saudi Arabia, and funded by the Bill Gates Foundation as part of a global effort to indoctrinate children.
    The question remains: Why does American education seem like it's being directed by largely Sunni Islamists and communist/marxist/fascists? And why are Americans putting up with it?
    http://www.charismanews.com/opinion/51928-schools-now-pushing-soft-porn-for-tweens-islam-for-all-kids
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    Covenanter reacted to Invicta in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    Yes Ronda, of course you are free to give your opinion.  However, Jesus said "Some standing here" not "Some who will; be standing here in the future."  He was speaking to those standing there at that time.
    You speak of persecution, but in the US you have not had persecution.  Here in England we have, not so much as in other parts of Europe, or as in some countries such as N Korea today.  If you ever come to England I can take you to the spot in Canterbury, about 9 miles from here, where martyrs were burnt to death.  You can stand and weep at the martyrs memorial.  I can take you to Ashford about 20 miles, where John Brown, one of the Lollards was burnt to death, having had hot coals on his feet and his soles burnt to the bone, had to walk to his the place of his execution on the banks of the river Stour.  No one knows the exact place but I can show you the river..  He had previously been held in a dungeon  known as the Lollards Hole in Wye.  Throughout our county, there are many such places, but only  few hundred souls. Whereas in other parts of Europe there were far more, and estimate is often given of 50.000,000 some twice as many or more..
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    Covenanter reacted to LindaR in The 7th Shemita is here   
    Well folks, the "Shemita" is over....and nothing happened.  Read about it here:

    Shemita is over---But nothing happened
    It would seem that Jonathan Cahn is a false prophet!
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    Covenanter reacted to John81 in Question About Preterism   
    Our pastor speaking on this topic and told us (Sunday school class) that if we wanted to think we know what's going happen in the end times just read one book on the subject and never read another! He was saying this in jest, as he pointed out that if you read several books, each from a different perspective, most people will be as, or more confused than when they started.
    Since each view put forth has at least some gaps, some questionable aspects, but most do seem to have some points of probable, or at least possible rightness, it may just be that none of the views are totally correct but more of a mix (what the mix might be would be open to more discussion, debate and probably contention!) of some of the views may be closer to correct.
    Like our pastor says, if we know we are saved, if we are living for Christ as if He could return at any moment, then we will be ready for whatever comes before, during and after the end times.
    Far too much time is spent haggling over details, even minute details, while forsaking the larger, overall picture of end times prophecy which is basically, be sure you are born again, live for Christ as if there is no tomorrow, be found living for the Lord when He does return.
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    Covenanter got a reaction from trapperhoney in My brother David   
    Thank you for all your prayers & expressions of love & concern.
    His widow, Trixie, will be lost without him after 54 years of marriage. Their sons, Richard & Andrew, are very supportive. They live nearby.
     
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    Covenanter reacted to Genevanpreacher in Question About Preterism   
    So you can't refute my last post?
    Sad Alan. You usually make a clearer 'argument'.
    My teaching is misleading?
    Atleast I have words in the verses saying what I believe.
    Show me words Alan.
    Show everyone reading this subject Alan, this "vital truth and doctrine".
    Show me in words from verses in the NT that SAY what you believe about Israel being restored as a latter day prophecy.
    Yes! Blindness until they get saved! 
    I believe that Alan! But their job of bringing themselves back into their own land by Christians paying or giving money so they can return to Israel and get ready for some self made tradition, and using the sympathy of Christianity to accomplish that, is not God returning them. It is Christians being USED by godless people for there own cause. 
    Once again - If returning to the land of Israel in the 'latter times' was SO important a prophecy, why is it not mentioned in the NT?
    Satisfy my poor curiosity and prove my ignorance in front of everyone reading this Alan.
    If you do, I will stop. Help me and those who dislike what I and others teach Alan.
    Show us all Alan.
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    Covenanter got a reaction from Jeny in Jeny Lyn's Dad   
    May he realise the wonder of salvation, & turn to Jesus as Lord & Saviour.
     
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    Covenanter reacted to Genevanpreacher in Question About Preterism   
    Thank you Ian. The notes are extremely interesting to me, as they do point out that we are not alone in what we percieve.
    If some would use their KJB along side with the GB notes, (like some 1700's printers printed), there might be more here that agree with us.
    There were several editions of KJV bibles printed with the notes of the Geneva in them.
    Someone esteemed them of value.
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    Covenanter reacted to Genevanpreacher in Question About Preterism   
    Hmm. Not one mention from the NT?
    Why not?
    Because the nation of Israel, even if it is a nation now, is of no importance in prophecy.
    And NO Alan, gentiles are NOT grafted into Israel in Romans 11. They are grafted into Christ!
    We are both branches! 
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    Covenanter reacted to Invicta in The 7th Shemita is here   
    I don't see your point here.  You have taken a verse on its own and used it out of context.  Read the whole section.
    14 ¶  But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
    15  For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
    16  But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
    17  And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
    18  And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:
    19  And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:
    20  The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
    21  And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    22  Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
    23  Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:
    24  Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.
    25  For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
    26  Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
    27  Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
    28  Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
    29  Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
    30  Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
    31  He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
    32  This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
    33  Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
    34  For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
    35  Until I make thy foes thy footstool.
    36  Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
    37 ¶  Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
    38  Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
    39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
    40  And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.
    41  Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
    42 ¶  And they continued stedfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
    43  And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
    Pedter was speaking to his hearers.  They would receive the Holy Spirit if they repented and were baptized. About three thousand did   and were added to the church.   Fulfilled.
    But there is a promise for us here as well.  39  For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
     
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    Covenanter reacted to Genevanpreacher in The 7th Shemita is here   
    If it seemed like I ignored, that means 1 of 2 things Alan.
    Either you were refusing give accurate interpretations or I was busy.
    Sometimes It's the latter.
    Sometimes it's the former.
    Either way the flaws in your teachings stand out to me and you just keep saying the same flawed stuff to support your previous teachings.
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    Covenanter reacted to Genevanpreacher in The 7th Shemita is here   
    Alan? Is this post from Eric that you are defending?
    I suppose you like his teaching in 11 words?
    Such a study!
    But, alas Alan, no facts to back up his very deep teaching here.
    In Revelation it is said that the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
    Quote him testifying to the Israelites returning to their land as of prophetic importance.
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    Covenanter reacted to Genevanpreacher in The 7th Shemita is here   
    I am not bothering responding to your Isaiah 'interpretation' because of your lack of 'futurist' proof on the subject regarding the lack of any mention of Israel being restored into their land as per the NT.
    Surely Alan you understand if there is no mention of the importance of Israel being restored to their kingdom as a last day fulfillment of prophecy in any NT book, then any interpretation like you portray about Isaiah's prophecy is not an accurate interpretation.
    And as so, since Erics posts have everything to do with this subject, I see it as very relevent to whether the Shmita is in fact of value at all in fulfilling any prophecy he can conjure up.
    I read every word you posted. And I don't see what you see.
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    Covenanter reacted to Genevanpreacher in The 7th Shemita is here   
    Alan, with all due respect. Can you tell me where the restoration of the Jews to their homeland in Israel is mentioned in Revelation during the 1000 year reign?
    I don't see it.
    (nothing happening yet Eric!)
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    Covenanter got a reaction from Rosie in Jeny Lyn's Dad   
    May he realise the wonder of salvation, & turn to Jesus as Lord & Saviour.
     
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