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  1. 12 hours ago, swathdiver said:

    Eat the meat and spit out the bones as some say.  I watched it last night and enjoyed it as did the wife, friends and children.  Lots of laughs.

    I do not think it crossed the line on contemplative prayer or mysticism.

    I had one big bone to pick (maybe) but will not divulge such so as not to ruin the movie for y'all.

    Thanks Swath.  I understand what you are saying.  I have always had much discernment, obviously, I would not have left the RCC in my mind in the 2nd grade.  Then, I begged my parents to leave in the 8th grade for good, saying I did my duty.  Lol

    Considering the majority of people in my area are RC's, I wouldn't suggest the movie for them to watch but I would give them a synopsis and let them know the un-Biblical things in the movie.  I do that with so many of these Hollywood movies anyway.  Sure I get flack from people, but I back that up with scripture.  Even though their carnal minds are unable to grasp the word of God, the word doesn't return void.  It is amazing when I throw scripture out there how people become silent.

    Great article Linda and so very true!  Dr. James Beller, pastor and Baptist Biblical historian, wrote in his last book "The Coming Destruction of the Baptist People" (I believe that is the name) that there would be a huge divide between fundamentalists and evangelicals.  We can't stop what God is going to do.  However, pointing out Biblical flaws to people should be a priority to all Christians.  I know many baby Christians who will argue with me on movies such as these.  I just give them the scriptures, as you did above and leave it at that.  There is no sense arguing.  A baby believer, as you know, is still drinking the milk and the meat might turn them away.  After scripture is given to back up what I am saying, they usually back down anyway.  As for the unsaved?  I always suggest other movies that hold to Biblical truth.    

  2. Thanks Linda.  Obviously, we haven't watched the movie yet.  With what was said above, it sounds very charismatic.  Something I am certainly not into.  The only thing I can use from the movie is to point out the flaws to those who have blinders on.  Where I live, that is a lot of people.  Maybe by pointing out the deficiencies in the movie, people's eye might open and hearts may grow soft to the word of God.  Anyway, it is worth a shot.

  3. Hi Lily!  Welcome to OB.  I hope we can be a help to you as you are a blessing to us from God.  I have church planter friends who are in Scotland now, starting a new church. They are in Glasgow.  I plan on visiting soon.  I was planning on moving near their home in southeastern, OH, where they planted a church in WV.  We (husband and I) were going to move in a year, but due to my medical problems (grand mall seizures) we have to wait to save more money to buy property and a house as we are paying off medical bills from my hospital visits.  My grand mall seizures are quite traumatic, so if you ever want to talk about health related issues feel free to send me a private message.  I don't hear voices; however, I could help you just by chatting.  Brother Mike has a good point.  Sometimes our illnesses are related to food.  In another post, I mentioned that I was seeing a group of drugless doctors.  They are teaching me how to start a new lifestyle by eating healthy and exercising more frequently.  Just a suggestion.  How sweet of your unsaved husband to take you to church.  Keep close to the Lord Jesus and He will see you through.  Again, welcome and God bless you!

  4. 7 hours ago, HappyChristian said:

    That is absolutely wonderful news, candle!

    Thanks so much LuAnne.  It is also wonderful that the "Drugless Doctors" are born again Christians.  My in-laws discovered their show on cable.  

    After two trips to the hospital in 6 months of each other, my husband, son, in-laws, pastor and his wife, were so concerned.  Joe wanted answers!  He was so tired of the doctors saying they couldn't find what was wrong with me.  They thought I had some rare psychological illness and planned to use me as an experiment in their studies.  By the 3rd time I had to have an ambulance called.  I can barely remember a thing, except I put natural herbs, that should be swallowed, in an glass of mineral water.  Joe noticed it and knew there was something wrong.  He also says that I have a glare in my eyes like a trance when I have a seizure and I can't speak.  Everything is so confusing.  My neurologist hooked me to monitors and did more extensive testing.  He told me two years ago, when I told him where I had been hospitalized before that he would gather all the information and solve the problem.  I had an appointment with him that week.  He also carried through with his promises.  He couldn't believe how simple the problem was and how it was sitting under the doctors noses the whole time.  He asked me how I had been surviving since 1997.  This was my chance to witness a little to him about Jesus.  I thanked him and told him that God sent him into my life, and that Jesus is my "Great Physician."  I don't think it penetrated as he repeated that they should have done the proper testing and put me on the correct medication.  Praise the Lord this doctor is one of the best in his field.  He is the top neurologist at the CC anyway.  Also, I was so happy to wake up each time to time to the KJV in the hospital room.  The nurses also prayed with me.  What a blessing!

  5. 6 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

    Okay, but can we please set this back on track? Nice presentation, though no sound.

    You do bring out a point I had not made-if the rapture takes place just prior to the tribulation period, why is it that we don't see the bride and bridegroom brought together for the marriage supper of the Lamb until Ch 19? 

    In scripture, in Revelation, we see, in Ch 14, as I have stated, the reaping of the earth's harvest by Jesus, then the gathering of the grapes of the earth, which are cast into the winepress of God's wrath.

    Ch. 15, the seven angels bearing the seven last plagues, "for in them is filled up the wrath of God", and their preparation for pouring out this wrath.

    Ch 16, the outpouring of the vials of wrath upon the earth and its inhabitants, (different from what had fallen before this, as, at that time, those judgments were not cast upon those who had been sealed by the Lord);

    Ch 17: a view of the great whore and the kingdoms of the Antichrist, (parenthetical, not activites in the timeline);

    Ch 18: the declaration of the judgment which had taken place with the outpouring of God's wrath in Ch 16;

    THEN, in 19, the declaration of God's victory over the wicked in judgment, and the announcement of the marriage supper of the lamb, then immediately, Jesus' triumphant return to earth as King and Lord upon a white horse, followed by the armies of Heaven, to take the earth to reign therein.

    So, if the rapture took place way back seven years earlier, why did it take seven years before the marriage supper? Why take so long to declare that the Bride hath made herself ready? When the groom comes to receive his bride, they go immediately to the supper, don't they?

    Oh well, it was worth a shot.  Pictures and all in the slideshow.  Lol

  6. Thank you Alan, John81 and Rosie:)  I give all glory and praise to our Lord Jesus Christ for the good doctors he has put in my midst.  In 1998 I was diagnosed by University Hospitals, but the medication they put me on was not strong enough and later they found out that it doesn't work well for seizures.  It was a brand new drug at that time and hadn't really been tested on seizure patients.  This drug is much older, and has had much success in the area for those suffering from any kind of seizure, not just "Generalized Seizures."  Anyway, later I went to a private hospital then Kaiser, currently Health Span in OH and KY, as my insurance changed.  I did gain some weight though.  Lol  For anyone who is curious, the website for the drugless doctors I am seeing is below.  Maybe there is one in your area?  They do wonders!

    "The Drugless Doctors"

    Chiropractic, Family Health and Wellness - They are a "different" kind of chiropractic doctor.  The do not do any cracking, but do stretching techniques and use high tech equipment on all areas of one's back, including spine, hips, and head.  They also work on stomach ailments.  They follow a computer screen with one's X-rays on it to see where the problem areas are.


    Twitter:  @ druglessdrs

    FB: The Drugless Doctors

  7. Hmmm..." I resent you calling me a feminist b/c I was reared primarily in a public school system, of which was and still is the best public school system in the State of OH." Are there more than one public school system here?

    Hudson schools on the east side of town and Rocky River schools on the west side of town have been rated as the best school districts in the State of OH, many years running.

  8. My point is that you don't need to be combative about it.  Your statement that I bolded is completely wrong.  His opinions are as welcome as yours, which you have shared in abundance in the past - as have we all.


    I'm glad you're calm. AVBB doesn't need statistical proof - all anyone need do is look around at the current product of public schools. Not ALL of them, but many.  And there are many Christian women who are feminist without intention because of what they were taught.  *shrugs* I've been in a lot of churches, met a lot of Christian women who attended public school, and it is a truth. It is a given that what people are taught in school will follow them throughout life. Oftentimes even after they are saved.


    Nothing was broad-brushed. Broadbrushing would be be to say that every single Christian woman who went to public school is a feminist. That wasn't what was said.  So let's move on...


    I am not being combative.  I am sorry that my post to AVBB came across that way.  I am just being blunt.

    Funny thing is that many born again Christians who attend public school and are grounded in there local IFB church are not feminist, nor do they lack understanding of God's word.  Their parents teach them at home.  Remember, not all Christians can afford Christian school and not all can home school their children.  These children I am speaking of, become adults and go on for higher learning in the local Independent Baptist Church.  Their days in public school has not affected them at all.

    As with my family, we did not know any Baptists and weren't privy to anything but public or parochial school.  My parents chose public school as they were forced to attend parochial school by their parents.  I only attended parochial school b/c of the rash of kidnappings in my neighborhood, and the public school extended the lunch hour.  My mom was working outside of the home, and both of my parents thought it was much safer to attend parochial school, as they had a school lunch program.  Praise God those years taught me nothing, except the Trinity (godhead).  Some of the strongest Christians I know attended public schools.  I meet them all the time.  Many IFB pastors have attested to this as well.  

    It would be nice if IFB's wouldn't slight Christians who have attended public school.  That is all..

  9. Did you want to start an argument?  It sure seems like it with this post.  Calm down.  And re-read what he said: he didn't say it was every woman, he said it was plenty of women. And he's absolutely right.  You not being a feminist does not make his statement wrong.


    I also went to public school for a few of my school years. And they were teaching feminism then - even before you were in high school.  Does that mean everyone who attended became feminist? Of course not. But it certainly affected the majority. Being indoctrinated in something does that, as you know from being a teacher.


    Families go a long way toward battling that kind of stuff, thankfully. OBviously your mom was able to combat it in you.  But let's not turn this thread acrimonious.  Thanks.


    Not at all, HC.  I am very calm.  I am merely stating that my mom who was raised in the RCC and got saved later in life, taught both her daughters how to be submissive.  It seems that the IFB has a grasp on submission, while other religions do not.  That is my point.  My parents taught me morals and values at home.  What I learned in the public school has made me very aware on reaching souls that are lost.  If AVBB has statistical proof that those women reared in public school are feminists, then I would love to see it.  My pastor's wife, my MIL and another older woman who conducted the submission classes we very surprised that I knew how to be a submissive wife.  It was the "home grown" Baptist women that needed the course.  My mom, a woman from the era of the Great Depression, along with various aunts showed me and my sister how to be a submissive wife.  For example, they always voted for the same candidate that their husbands voted for.  I learned it from them.  I didn't need the Bible to show me that what they taught me was correct.  When I began reading and studying the word of God, it reiterated what I had already known.  Comments such as AVBB shared on this forum have no business on a Bible believing site.  It is just his opinion.  This is my experience and I believe it is an over generalization to paint public school children with a broad brush.  Learning begins at home.

  10. The Feminist attitude is in plenty of Women in the church today, especially those who went to Public Schools.

    Your post sounds like you made it up yourself, AVBB.  I was raised primarily in public school, aside from two years in parochial school while in junior high.

    When the church women had a class on submission, I was completely taken back, as my mother was the most submissive woman that I knew.  I grew up in an RCC home, where the man was certainly the head of the household.  My mom trained her daughters to be like her.  She worked outside the home to send us to college, b/c she wanted us to fall back on something if our husband's should pass on.  Little did she know that my first marriage was to an abusive man who would have murdered me, if I stayed with him.  I am not a feminist and will never be one.  My second husband is the head of my household.  I don't know where you get off with your post about women going to public school being feminist.  Do you have proof to back this up?  Statistics?  Anything?  I resent you calling me a feminist b/c I was reared primarily in a public school system, of which was and still is the best public school system in the State of OH.

  11. Thanks for your replies people. I guess I'm going to like Online Baptists.

    If there are any members from Ireland or have Irish family it would

    also be cool to connect even though any person living for God is 

    an equal in fellowship..


    Oh yeah, this is the church I was baptised in. Some of their sermons are pretty



    I am 3/4 Irish Diarmiad.  My ancestors immigrated to the USA in the 1800's.  According to a cousin who follows genealogy records, I have relatives in Ireland.  Primarily in Dublin and County Mayo.  Welcome aboard!  In about a year, my husband and I will be traveling to Scotland, to help church planter friends of ours with their ministry there.

  12. I know and I addressed that point in my first response to you. I don't think publicly slating the mods and the whole site again and again and again while never expressing gratitude and moreover supporting those who say they want the mods and site owner booted will help the site at all.


    You have no clue as to the gratitude I have expressed to LuAnne in our private messages.  End of story!

  13. Well I don't know who you're talking about when you say they are gracious to those who are sarcastic to the point of belittling people daily, because you beat around the bush by not naming names. If you're referring to me, my response is that I don't think I was sarcastic toward you at all in that post I just wrote, and as for belittling people daily I do tend to criticise TGL for his behaviour towards me and others, though not frequently, so fair comment I guess.


    You telling me you are a Jew--sorry don't see the relevance to what is effectively a discussion about good manners. Good for you if you know your roots; I don't know mine.


    And whining and having a bad temper (your word--I've not noticed it) is not the same as doing something. HC and Salyan and the other mods are the ones who are doing something.

    Two members on this site, including you, belittle people with sarcastic comments. Yes, I am talking about your personally sarcastic posts to TGL.  

    You don't see the relevance of being being a Jew by blood?  Did you read what the OP said?  It cuts me to the core of my soul to see people, on this site, talk about what the OP stated.  You seriously can't get that?  Not being a Jew, I suppose you wouldn't though.

    I will repeat Spurgeon's quote, as you conveniently looked it over.

     "A vigorous temper is not altogether an evil. Men who are easy as an old shoe are generally of little worth." ~ Charles Spurgeon 

  14. Spurgeon's quote has to do with anger.  The Bible specifically says, "be angry and sin not."  My anger is in hopes to get this site back to where it once was, years ago, when I used to learn a lot.  Other's use sarcasm, like yourself, which belittles people.  I ask, what's the difference?

    "A vigorous temper is not altogether an evil. Men who are easy as an old shoe are generally of little worth." ~ Charles Spurgeon 

  15. Actually, I would say the only reason you're on OB right now is that Matt and the mods seem to have an abundance of grace in letting you routinely whine and whinge about how they are not providing you a good enough service for free and are not putting in enough of their own unpaid hours to respond to all of your pms quickly enough or moderate the site as diligently as you would like. That moan you posted further up I've seen already about 20 times; you've been posting it almost word-for-word ever since you came back to this site.

    You say it is your hope to build up OB. Well to me 'building up' means doing things like publicly thanking Matt and mods for what they do, asking them if they want prayer for anything, offering one's own time as a volunteer or if that's not possible then redoubling one's thanks to others for offering theirs. And criticising as kindly as possible by showing one's gratitude at the same time. That's the kind of thing that occurs to me when I think of 'building up' others.

    Yet inbetween all the public criticisms of Matt and mods, I've never once seen you do any of the above. On the contrary, when Dr Ach was hollering for Salyan, HC and even Matt to be kicked out of their leadership roles (did he forget that this is a private site that Matt pays for?) you actually *supported* him.

    And you say that you don't mean to sow discord, yet when Dr Ach was running around doing hatchet jOBs on folk--John81 by accusing him of not being KJVO and Salyan by doing down her upbringing and church--once again you were supporting him. When HC bans Dr Ach for bad behaviour and you criticise that decision, you in effect endorse all the bad behaviour that culminated in him getting banned.

    And then for an encore you respond to Salyan telling you not to criticise their efforts so publicly by...er...having a public moan about how they are not replying to all your pms. You even reinforce your point by highlighting a bit of Salyan's text ('By all means, report it or PM us') despite the fact that the very next sentence of Salyan's is a reminder that they can't always reply because of time constraints. Couldn't make it up!

    Bless you for all your wonderful day-to-day contributions to this forum--many more than me. You are one of the regular posters that keeps the forum alive. But boy do you mistake building up for sticking the boot in.

    Well, if they are gracious to keep me on OB, then they are keeping others on OB who whine as well.  And, those who are sarcastic to the point of belittling people, daily.

    Dr. Ach is a Jew like myself.  My ancestral roots have been proven.  I am also Black Irish (which is Hispanic Irish).  I may not use sarcasm like you do, Al.  I just get to the point.  I have never been know to beat around the bush.   Having a temper, from now and then is not a bad thing at all.  It is better than people who sit like bumps on a log, and do nothing.  I believe Charles Spurgeon said something to this effect.  Let me see if I can find his quote.

  16. Okay, that's it. There will be no further hijacking of threads with complaints about 'how bad Online Baptist has gotten.' From anyone. No more complaining about the site, no more putting down the mods. This habit will no longer be tolerated. We do recognize a need for a concerted moderation effort against certain doctrines - Calvinism, in particular - and we are working towards that goal. If you have complaints about issues/persons, please use the Report feature - that's what it's for. This statement should not be misconstrued as insinuating that we do not desire input from OB members - we do. By all means, report it or PM us. We may not get back to you as quickly as we may like, but rest assured that we carefully consider each issue brought to us. However, the kind of public castigation demonstrated by many, including the late James Ach, is neither constructive nor helpful, and certainly does not promote a good spirit on OB. Despite whatever unfounded accusations are being tossed around, we are working hard to try to keep this site a welcoming spot for conservative, independent, fundamental, non-Calvinist, baptist believers. Your assistance and encouragement is appreciated. Your condemnation is not.

    Over the past few months, I have repeatedly heard certain folks say how much they dislike OB. Well, if you (speaking generally, not meaning anyone in particular) hate it that badly, why are you still here? I love OB, but I despise these persistent destructive postings that do so much to sow discord and bring up past prOBlems.

    Now, Back to the Topic!


    Several months ago, BroMatt private messaged me about my complaints on OB.  I explained what they were, but he never responded back to me.  I private messaged HC, this week about how disgruntled I am with what was said in the OP, and my input was disliked immediately.  We ended up taking about other things in that private message, once she made herself perfectly clear that my complaint wasn't valid in her eyes.  

    The only reason I am still on OB, is that I hope this prOBlem stated by the OP will change how OB is run.  The good thing I can say is that OB holds to the KJV, except for a certain member who uses another Bible; however, he doesn't post from it.  Recently, there is a thread about the validity of the KJV, however, I believe the moderator in charge is handling that appropriately.  Those are the reasons, I am staying.  Also, my point is not to so discord.  It is my hope to build up OB, to the site, that it was years ago.

    "Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints."  ~ Jude 3

  17. Pilgrim did give the correct definition of "bedfellow."  I am 50, and I have always associated it with that definition.

    Once again, because of political correctness, we have to watch a word like that too.  Soon, we will be silenced into saying nothing, for fear that we will offend someone in this world.  How pathetic our world is.

  18. Good post, Dave.  I have to deal with Roman Catholics and Protestants on a daily basis in the real world.  Why is it that "Online Baptist - An Independent Baptist Community since 2002!  (Note the explanation mark at the end of the name of the site, shows excitement) allows Protestants with their false views, run rampant on this forum. However, IFB's are silenced as we contend for the faith?  I just don't understand.  What pains me is the number of IFB's who have left the site, for this very reason, and don't intend to come back.  This site has slowly gone downhill, since I was on it years ago, and keeps riding that slippery slope.  The "falling away" is one of the explanations that I have for this.  It just baffles me to see this happening on the site that taught me many things, years ago.  SMH     

  19. I am amazed at some IFB's who don't know this, Linda (or at least claim they don't know it).  If someone who was raised in the RCC for most of my life, knows what it is, then an IFB should know it.  Maybe a Protestant doesn't know, but I hope they would come to realize what it is.  You gave a very good explanation.  Thank you for re-posting it from the other thread that Happy Christian locked.  Shalom, sister:)

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