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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Brother Rick in Video: What's the Big Deal about the King James Version of the Bible? By Sam Gipp   
    In actual point of fact a person could be saved without the scriptures at all as long as the gospel was presented to them accurately and they repented and believed on Christ. As far as your criticism of the MV's, those criticisms are valid, but since one does not require a complete and accurate understanding of bible doctrine in order to be biblically saved, those flaws are not generally of consequence when it comes to salvation. Salvation is not meant to be extremely complicated or difficult to understand. It is basic, it is simple, and the MV's do not corrupt the truth to such an extent that gospel is completely lost and changed into a lie. What they do is mess up enough truth so that a contradictory mess is created where scripture no longer interprets scripture much of the time. The deeper into bible doctrine you go the worse it gets. What ends up happening is that the Holy Spirit only has a cumbrous, dull, chipped sword of questionable metallurgy to use instead of a sharp, quick and powerful two edged sword to use in the life of the believer or the lost person. Now that said, the Holy Spirit, being a talented swordsman, can do a lot even with a lousy sword given the chance, but why handicap him?
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from heartstrings in Who were the Nicolaitans?   
    Even if you pin down the exact literal meaning of the word that still doesn't really prove much. It could also easily just mean a follower of a doctrine which some guy named Nicolas was a early and prominent supporter. Names don't necessarily mean that much, after all "Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch" was one of the first deacons and there is no indication that he was a bad guy. However his name would mean almost exactly the same thing as "Nicolaitanes" .



    Logically the two most likely causes for making such a claim are a strong desire for power, respect, or both. Self or satanic deception is another possibility but that would probably require one or both of the former things as a catalyst before it would be likely to go anywhere.



    "Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

    "Deuteronomy 18:21-22 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

    "Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    "2 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds."

    From those scriptures we can conclude that if someone claimed to be an apostle their teaching could not contradict the scriptures, and they must have a patient and Godly lifestyle. Also the Lord himself had to show special and undeniably miraculous works through them from time to time to confirm that their special authority & commands came from God & were not just their own claims.



    Not if it was done in the biblical fashion. However if it was recklessly and and unbiblically done as Diotrephes was apparently doing in 3rd John verses 9 & 10 then I I imagine there would indeed be some danger in that. There may be some foreshadowing of that danger in third John verse ten when the apostle states that "if" he comes he is going to remember what that guy had been doing and the implication seems to be that it wasn't going to work out so well for Diotrephes. Another indication of the danger in pushing things way past the proper limits with genuine apostles of Christ may be found in 2nd Corinthians 10:10-11.



    Of course, with the the same standard, the scriptures.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from John81 in Who were the Nicolaitans?   
    Even if you pin down the exact literal meaning of the word that still doesn't really prove much. It could also easily just mean a follower of a doctrine which some guy named Nicolas was a early and prominent supporter. Names don't necessarily mean that much, after all "Nicolas a proselyte of Antioch" was one of the first deacons and there is no indication that he was a bad guy. However his name would mean almost exactly the same thing as "Nicolaitanes" .



    Logically the two most likely causes for making such a claim are a strong desire for power, respect, or both. Self or satanic deception is another possibility but that would probably require one or both of the former things as a catalyst before it would be likely to go anywhere.



    "Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them."

    "Deuteronomy 18:21-22 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

    "Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so."

    "2 Corinthians 12:12 Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds."

    From those scriptures we can conclude that if someone claimed to be an apostle their teaching could not contradict the scriptures, and they must have a patient and Godly lifestyle. Also the Lord himself had to show special and undeniably miraculous works through them from time to time to confirm that their special authority & commands came from God & were not just their own claims.



    Not if it was done in the biblical fashion. However if it was recklessly and and unbiblically done as Diotrephes was apparently doing in 3rd John verses 9 & 10 then I I imagine there would indeed be some danger in that. There may be some foreshadowing of that danger in third John verse ten when the apostle states that "if" he comes he is going to remember what that guy had been doing and the implication seems to be that it wasn't going to work out so well for Diotrephes. Another indication of the danger in pushing things way past the proper limits with genuine apostles of Christ may be found in 2nd Corinthians 10:10-11.



    Of course, with the the same standard, the scriptures.
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    Seth Doty reacted to SarahStrawberry in Happy Birthday, Suzy!   
    AKA Kitagrl!!!

    I hope that your day was wonderful and spent surrounded by loved ones!!!! :bd1:
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Brother Rick in Can You Disprove This?   
    That tends to happen to spammers....

    I don't know why you have been allowed to ramble on this long. :shootme:
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from John81 in Can You Disprove This?   
    That tends to happen to spammers....

    I don't know why you have been allowed to ramble on this long. :shootme:
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from LindaR in Rapture   
    Scripturally there is nothing that must happen prior to the rapture. It could happen at any time, which is why we are told to watch and be ready always for his return. Now we can see things like the restoration of the nation of Israel in scripture, but nothing says that it must happen prior to the rapture. One of the major problems those who do not believe in the rapture have to deal with is why there are so many scriptural exhortations to watch and be ready for the return of Christ. If Christians were to go through the great tribulation and Christ was to appear at the end of it it would be a no brainer. If the anti-christ, the false prophet, the mark of the beast in the hand or head etc. hasn't happened yet then there would be no point watching for Christs return if one believed he was returning at the end of the seven year tribulation.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from HappyChristian in Carnality Test   
    I would think a little better "carnality test" would be to have a couple people who have a tendency to be blunt and that you know well rate you on a scale of 1-10 on each of the characteristics in 2nd Peter 1:5-7. Hopefully most of us don't require a test and a checklist in order to figure out when we are being carnal though. I dare say Micah 7:4 could apply far to often even in IFB circles.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from PastorMatt in Carnality Test   
    I would think a little better "carnality test" would be to have a couple people who have a tendency to be blunt and that you know well rate you on a scale of 1-10 on each of the characteristics in 2nd Peter 1:5-7. Hopefully most of us don't require a test and a checklist in order to figure out when we are being carnal though. I dare say Micah 7:4 could apply far to often even in IFB circles.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from DennisD in Panetta: Troops in Graphic Video Will be Punished   
    A little perspective here... Is doing such a thing beneath the dignity and character of the american military? yes, but the soldiers have been at war and war frequently increases hatred of the other side. They have seen their buddies killed & maimed by those people, and they have been exposed to the culture in that part of the world which is physically filthy, extremely corrupt and dishonest, and pointlessly brutal by american standards(not that america is perfect but the difference is great enough there is quite the culture shock). As a result of such things a number of soldiers end up hating/despising the people over there which leads to things like this on occasion. What does the ememy do to our guys bodies in such situations? Not that justifies anything per se but it certainly leaves the Afghans little room to complain. Things like this should be dealt with at a fairly low level. Those involved should have received a reprimand & or discipline from their commanding officer to enforce more dignified and proper behavior and that should have been that. No need for a media circus. It is a perfectly natural behavior for fallen man to disrespect and defile the bodies of their enemies out of hatred and a desire for vengeance. It is a behavior that should be repressed, but it is not exactly hard to understand or sympathize with.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Eric Stahl in Jacob's trouble   
    Why? I think that passage itself shows pretty well that "Jacobs trouble" is not speaking of the "events of Esther". First the passage mentions that God is going to raise up "David their king" to them, whether this is speaking of the literal king David or a King like unto David(Christ for example) is irrelevant since after the Babylonian captivity they had no king at all. Secondly, even when they did return from that captivity, the city of Jerusalem was a mess, and they remained a weak nation under the control of the persian empire. Hardly a fulfillment of the prophecy in the passage.

    The parallel passage that speaks of the restoration of "King David" makes it equally clear that it isn't talking about the babylonian captivity since it describes a time when Israel is without kings, idols, or sacrifice and specifically places it in the "latter days".

    "Hosea 3:4-5 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days."
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from LindaR in Jacob's trouble   
    Look at "Jacobs trouble" in scripture and see if it fits the return from the Babylonian captivity or not.

    "Jeremiah 30:4-24 And these are the words that the LORD spake concerning Israel and concerning Judah.
    5 For thus saith the LORD; We have heard a voice of trembling, of fear, and not of peace.
    6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?
    7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.
    8 For it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD of hosts, that I will break his yoke from off thy neck, and will burst thy bonds, and strangers shall no more serve themselves of him:
    9 But they shall serve the LORD their God, and David their king, whom I will raise up unto them.
    10 Therefore fear thou not, O my servant Jacob, saith the LORD; neither be dismayed, O Israel: for, lo, I will save thee from afar, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and shall be in rest, and be quiet, and none shall make him afraid.
    11 For I am with thee, saith the LORD, to save thee: though I make a full end of all nations whither I have scattered thee, yet will I not make a full end of thee: but I will correct thee in measure, and will not leave thee altogether unpunished.
    12 For thus saith the LORD, Thy bruise is incurable, and thy wound is grievous.
    13 There is none to plead thy cause, that thou mayest be bound up: thou hast no healing medicines.
    14 All thy lovers have forgotten thee; they seek thee not; for I have wounded thee with the wound of an enemy, with the chastisement of a cruel one, for the multitude of thine iniquity; because thy sins were increased.
    15 Why criest thou for thine affliction? thy sorrow is incurable for the multitude of thine iniquity: because thy sins were increased, I have done these things unto thee.
    16 Therefore all they that devour thee shall be devoured; and all thine adversaries, every one of them, shall go into captivity; and they that spoil thee shall be a spoil, and all that prey upon thee will I give for a prey.
    17 For I will restore health unto thee, and I will heal thee of thy wounds, saith the LORD; because they called thee an Outcast, saying, This is Zion, whom no man seeketh after.
    18 Thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will bring again the captivity of Jacob's tents, and have mercy on his dwellingplaces; and the city shall be builded upon her own heap, and the palace shall remain after the manner thereof.
    19 And out of them shall proceed thanksgiving and the voice of them that make merry: and I will multiply them, and they shall not be few; I will also glorify them, and they shall not be small.
    20 Their children also shall be as aforetime, and their congregation shall be established before me, and I will punish all that oppress them.
    21 And their nobles shall be of themselves, and their governor shall proceed from the midst of them; and I will cause him to draw near, and he shall approach unto me: for who is this that engaged his heart to approach unto me? saith the LORD.
    22 And ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.
    23 Behold, the whirlwind of the LORD goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.
    24 The fierce anger of the LORD shall not return, until he have done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it."


    Israel didn't have any sort of King when they returned from the Babylonian captivity, let alone " David their king, whom I will raise up unto them." Compare that passage about the restoration of "king David" to this one:

    "Hosea 3:4-5 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without a king, and without a prince, and without a sacrifice, and without an image, and without an ephod, and without teraphim: Afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek the LORD their God, and David their king; and shall fear the LORD and his goodness in the latter days."

    Also at the end of this prophetic passage to Israel it says "in the latter days ye shall consider it." The "latter days" are pretty much are synonymous with the "last days" in the NT and certainly can never refer to any period prior to the time of Christ at the very earliest, or the millennial kingdom at the latest...
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Calvary in Jack Hyles   
    "Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

    The problems that arise with the hyles type approach is that it equals mental or verbal agreement with heart belief. While that can be the case, many times it is not. Some people believe in the same way the devils believe in James 2:19. They believe in their head, but their heart does not. Hyles type personal evangelism goes something roughly like this example:

    (Christian) Hi there, did you know Jesus Christ died for you and wants to save you from hell?
    (lost person)Yes, I have heard that.
    (Christian)Do you want me to show you from the bible how you can know beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are saved?
    (lost person) Sure.
    (Christian)Ok, look at this: "Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." and this: "Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved." Do you believe Jesus is God and died for your sins?
    (lost person) Yes.
    (Christian)Would you like to make a public profession of of that and be saved?
    (lost person) alright.
    (Christian) Then repeat after me, "Dear Jesus"
    (lost person) "Dear Jesus"
    (Christian) "I know I am a sinner."
    (lost person) "I know I am a sinner."
    (Christian) "Thank you for dying on the cross to cleanse me of all my sin."
    (lost person) "Thank you for dying on the cross to cleanse me of all my sin."
    (Christian) "please come into my heart and save me."
    (lost person) "please come into my heart and save me."
    (Christian) Ok, according to the word of God your now saved and a child of God, isn't that a wonderful feeling?
    (lost person) umm.. Yes.
    (Christian) Great! I am so happy for you. Tell you what, if you want to grow in the Lord come to my church next sunday at:(insert directions).
    (lost person) ok.
    (Christian) Alright, see you then, bye.
    (lost person) bye.( and may or may not go to the church)

    Now is it possible for a person to be saved when the gospel is presented in such a 1,2,3 pray after me manner even when the word repentance is never mentioned? Absolutely, no doubt about it. Many people have been genuinely saved with nothing more detailed than that. After all the thief on the cross was saved when he made no more of a profession of faith than asking the Lord by faith to remember him when the Lord came into his kingdom. The problem is that while some people are ready to be saved with such a approach because God was already working in their heart and they were truly ready to believe the hearts of many more are not ready at all. They end up praying a prayer more because of a general mental agreement and mentally not wanting to go to hell yet their heart is not really ready and thus they are not saved. In spite of that they are assured they are saved "based on the word of God". That "assurance" is not necessarily sound interpretation of the scriptures particularly when their lives show no other sign of having experienced a true conversion. If it so be that they fall for that "assurance" when they are not really saved they are indeed a "twofold child of hell" as has been mentioned. That danger is the one of the biggest concerns and realities of Hyles style evangelism and it is no doubt why that methodology ends up with so many "professions" yet in comparison so few who continue in Christ. It is exceptionally rough on children. Now does making sure repentance is taught guarantee that someone who chooses to make a profession faith is going to be truly saved? No, but it does at least tend to make the hearer aware that as a seed requires the right conditions to germinate likewise salvation requires the right kind of heart to occur and it isn't just a automatic result when you repeat the "magic" words.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from SarahStrawberry in Mixed Marriages?   
    Ditto. It had nothing to do with keep the bloodline pure. It had everything to do with the fact that the surrounding nations were pagan. If someone converted to the one true God and became part of the Jewish nation in the OT it was perfectly fine for a "natural born" Jew to marry them and several such examples exist. Same principle applies today, don't marry the heathen. Race is not the factor that makes it acceptable or unacceptable then or now.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from SarahStrawberry in Remarriage   
    I would say biblically no, from the scriptures it seems Gods perfect will is that a person should not remarry after a divorce as long as their divorced spouse is still alive. If it was "ok" for anyone to do that then it wouldn't be a problem when a pastor did it either.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from SarahStrawberry in Kentucky church bans interracial marriage   
    If your going to be consistent and if your categorically apposed to such things on the grounds "God did not intend mankind to be united as one", and if your going to use the tower of babel as evidence, then logically I would think you would be apposed to learning other languages as well. After all God confused the languages at the tower of babel precisely to create division. Also if your going to use Acts 17:26 as some type of evidence then logically you should be apposed to marrying someone from a different country regardless of the race they were of, and within the same country it also would not matter what race they were of. The verse is talking about God setting the bounds of nations not races after all. So no English/German, American/Canadian marriages either.

    Truth be told when you boil it down much of the time it seems black and some other color marriages are the only interracial marriages that are categorically disapproved of by some. A White guy with a Hispanic lady or a White guy with a Asian lady and the same people that object to Black guy with a White woman don't seem to care more often than not. That tells me it is indeed more often than not the last vestiges of racism, conscious or not, and that kind of thing is also doubtless why at one point it was semi-popular to teach that the "mark of cain" was being black regardless of zero evidence for that and the fact that all his descendants were destroyed in the flood. Now in a sense this is every individuals own business, nothing says you "must" personally approve of interracial marriages or perform marriage ceremonies in such cases if it bothers you. However you certainly can't even begin to reasonably defend such a position from scripture and if a pastor/church does penalize a couple for no other reason but something like this then I do think they are in the wrong and will have to answer for it to God. Churches are made up of sinful people and occasionally have to deal with the results of racism in the midst along with just about everything else. No different than when in the early church at Jerusalem the Greek widows were being neglected and receiving less than Jewish widows for racial reasons and the office of deacon was created precisely to take care of some of the effects of that sin of racism within the church and restore the proper balance.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Salyan in Kentucky church bans interracial marriage   
    If your going to be consistent and if your categorically apposed to such things on the grounds "God did not intend mankind to be united as one", and if your going to use the tower of babel as evidence, then logically I would think you would be apposed to learning other languages as well. After all God confused the languages at the tower of babel precisely to create division. Also if your going to use Acts 17:26 as some type of evidence then logically you should be apposed to marrying someone from a different country regardless of the race they were of, and within the same country it also would not matter what race they were of. The verse is talking about God setting the bounds of nations not races after all. So no English/German, American/Canadian marriages either.

    Truth be told when you boil it down much of the time it seems black and some other color marriages are the only interracial marriages that are categorically disapproved of by some. A White guy with a Hispanic lady or a White guy with a Asian lady and the same people that object to Black guy with a White woman don't seem to care more often than not. That tells me it is indeed more often than not the last vestiges of racism, conscious or not, and that kind of thing is also doubtless why at one point it was semi-popular to teach that the "mark of cain" was being black regardless of zero evidence for that and the fact that all his descendants were destroyed in the flood. Now in a sense this is every individuals own business, nothing says you "must" personally approve of interracial marriages or perform marriage ceremonies in such cases if it bothers you. However you certainly can't even begin to reasonably defend such a position from scripture and if a pastor/church does penalize a couple for no other reason but something like this then I do think they are in the wrong and will have to answer for it to God. Churches are made up of sinful people and occasionally have to deal with the results of racism in the midst along with just about everything else. No different than when in the early church at Jerusalem the Greek widows were being neglected and receiving less than Jewish widows for racial reasons and the office of deacon was created precisely to take care of some of the effects of that sin of racism within the church and restore the proper balance.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from HappyChristian in Kentucky church bans interracial marriage   
    If your going to be consistent and if your categorically apposed to such things on the grounds "God did not intend mankind to be united as one", and if your going to use the tower of babel as evidence, then logically I would think you would be apposed to learning other languages as well. After all God confused the languages at the tower of babel precisely to create division. Also if your going to use Acts 17:26 as some type of evidence then logically you should be apposed to marrying someone from a different country regardless of the race they were of, and within the same country it also would not matter what race they were of. The verse is talking about God setting the bounds of nations not races after all. So no English/German, American/Canadian marriages either.

    Truth be told when you boil it down much of the time it seems black and some other color marriages are the only interracial marriages that are categorically disapproved of by some. A White guy with a Hispanic lady or a White guy with a Asian lady and the same people that object to Black guy with a White woman don't seem to care more often than not. That tells me it is indeed more often than not the last vestiges of racism, conscious or not, and that kind of thing is also doubtless why at one point it was semi-popular to teach that the "mark of cain" was being black regardless of zero evidence for that and the fact that all his descendants were destroyed in the flood. Now in a sense this is every individuals own business, nothing says you "must" personally approve of interracial marriages or perform marriage ceremonies in such cases if it bothers you. However you certainly can't even begin to reasonably defend such a position from scripture and if a pastor/church does penalize a couple for no other reason but something like this then I do think they are in the wrong and will have to answer for it to God. Churches are made up of sinful people and occasionally have to deal with the results of racism in the midst along with just about everything else. No different than when in the early church at Jerusalem the Greek widows were being neglected and receiving less than Jewish widows for racial reasons and the office of deacon was created precisely to take care of some of the effects of that sin of racism within the church and restore the proper balance.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from rancher824 in Kentucky church bans interracial marriage   
    If your going to be consistent and if your categorically apposed to such things on the grounds "God did not intend mankind to be united as one", and if your going to use the tower of babel as evidence, then logically I would think you would be apposed to learning other languages as well. After all God confused the languages at the tower of babel precisely to create division. Also if your going to use Acts 17:26 as some type of evidence then logically you should be apposed to marrying someone from a different country regardless of the race they were of, and within the same country it also would not matter what race they were of. The verse is talking about God setting the bounds of nations not races after all. So no English/German, American/Canadian marriages either.

    Truth be told when you boil it down much of the time it seems black and some other color marriages are the only interracial marriages that are categorically disapproved of by some. A White guy with a Hispanic lady or a White guy with a Asian lady and the same people that object to Black guy with a White woman don't seem to care more often than not. That tells me it is indeed more often than not the last vestiges of racism, conscious or not, and that kind of thing is also doubtless why at one point it was semi-popular to teach that the "mark of cain" was being black regardless of zero evidence for that and the fact that all his descendants were destroyed in the flood. Now in a sense this is every individuals own business, nothing says you "must" personally approve of interracial marriages or perform marriage ceremonies in such cases if it bothers you. However you certainly can't even begin to reasonably defend such a position from scripture and if a pastor/church does penalize a couple for no other reason but something like this then I do think they are in the wrong and will have to answer for it to God. Churches are made up of sinful people and occasionally have to deal with the results of racism in the midst along with just about everything else. No different than when in the early church at Jerusalem the Greek widows were being neglected and receiving less than Jewish widows for racial reasons and the office of deacon was created precisely to take care of some of the effects of that sin of racism within the church and restore the proper balance.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in He shall be called a Nazarene   
    As your probably alluding to, there is no OT scripture that says "he shall be called a Nazarene"(see John 7:52) . Some think that it might be a obscure reference to Isaiah 11:1 and the "rod" coming out of the stem of Jesse due to the hebrew word for "rod". I personally think that that view is improbable answer and I think it is more likely a similar situation to that where Enoch is quoted in the book of Jude, quotations not found elsewhere in scripture. Likely a situation where a specific statement within a book was inspired but the whole book was not and therefore the book quoted from was not preserved as scripture. Another possibility is that this was something simply "spoken" by some of the prophets and not written down. I also think that is a little unlikely since there wouldn't seem to be a reason to mention it if it was not recorded somewhere where the initial target audience of the book of Matthew would have been exposed to it.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from LindaR in Sin, Iniquity, Transgression of the Law, and Trespass   
    It seems to me that your response is stretching things beyond what is reasonable in order to try to make your point of view work, but this is a minor enough issue it probably isn't really worth going back and forth about any further unless you want to.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from KJV1611 in Sin, Iniquity, Transgression of the Law, and Trespass   
    I am skeptical that there is a clear cut and consistent difference in how these words(or the ones your specifically asking about) are used biblically. There may be some slight difference but there is also a fair amount of overlap.

    Here are a couple of examples that seem to disagree with your definition of "eternal" as only being something that has neither a beginning or ending.

    "Isaiah 60:15 Whereas thou hast been forsaken and hated, so that no man went through thee, I will make thee an eternal excellency, a joy of many generations."

    "2 Corinthians 4:17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;"

    "2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens."

    "Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."

    Note that in Isaiah 60 eternal is used in a future tense, and in second Corinthians 4 suffering for Christ is said to produce "eternal" glory. In 2nd Corinthians 5 the future glorified bodies of believers are spoken of as "eternal" in the heavens. Then lastly in Jude 1:7 Sodom and Gomorrha are said to be suffering the "vengeance of eternal fire". We know that all of those things were created works that had a beginning, indeed only God himself is without either a beginning or an ending.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from HappyChristian in Calvinism on the March   
    Just curious, how do you differentiate between someone offering correction that lines up with scripture and someone pretending to be "perfect or holy or all wise"? Much of the time it is simply a matter of perspective. We all do well to listen to what the book of proverbs says about reproof even though receiving reproof is hard and the first and fleshly reaction of most or all of us is probably to push back and argue for that very reason...
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from LindaR in Dichotomy vs Trichotomy   
    The verses that teach the immortality of the soul are almost to numerous to list. Here is one of many examples:

    "Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."





    Like man, God is body, soul, and Spirit. Jesus Christ has a physical body, the Father and the Holy Spirit do not. All three are distinct persons or "souls" which is why God sometimes speaks in plural: "let us make man in our image, after our likeness" etc.

    The body is what can be felt/touched.. the physical. The "soul" is basically the mind/will/emotions. The "spirit" is a even deeper part of who you are and it is this part that is capable of understanding/discerning "spiritual" matters, accepting/rejecting/communicating/ becoming one with Gods Spirit. It can control the soul which in turn controls the body. The "heart" as it is used in scripture is a combination of both soul and spirit. I agree that the spirit of man is what died at the fall, but all three parts of man, body, soul, and spirit exist after death in both the lost and the believer. The spirit and soul of the believer never dies, while the soul and spirit of the lost abide in death, which is not the same thing as unconsciousness. Eventually a new body for both believers and unbelievers comes at the resurrection.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from LindaR in Could they be angels?   
    Seems sort of irrelevant to me if he that "letteth" is specifically speaking of the Holy Spirit or an angel as it is six of one and a half dozen of the other. After all all the angels are is ministers of God and the the only reason their powers are superior to the powers of darkness is because of God.

    "Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee."
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