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Seth Doty

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    Seth Doty reacted to Soj in A Crazy, Dangerous, Frightening, Good Idea.   
    You're acting for a good cause brother, but going about it the wrong way. Rebellion will only get you into trouble, and what's the benefit of putting it on You Tube, to entertain people??

    By all means stand up for what you think is wrong, but do it lawfully and please God while you're at it.
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    Seth Doty reacted to HappyChristian in Happy Birthday Suzi!   
    :singing: Happy birthday to you.
    Happy birthday to you.
    Happy birthday dear Suzi.
    Happy birthday to you. :singing:
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    Seth Doty reacted to Trish in Happy Birthday Suzi!   
    I tried to do a birthday emotion for each year I thought she was, but the board gave me this message:
    "You have posted a message with more emoticons that this board allows. Please reduce the number of emoticons you've added to the message"

    I guess that makes her old.



    Edited: This is Bromatt. I did not realize that Trish was logged in to my computer. :tapping:
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from JerryNumbers in Reply to a Schaap Supporter   
    Biblically salvation is a work of God, but yet one only performed if a man desires it and comes to God on Gods terms asking for it. So while on the one hand the will of man can do nothing to accomplish salvation on its own, and so in a sense is completely dependent on God, yet on the other hand God chooses not to accomplish salvation without the will of the man and so in a sense it also is dependent on the will of man since God made a choice to make it that way and refuses no one that will come to him with the right heart and in obedience to what Gods word says about how to be saved. If salvation were all of God regardless of the will of man you could not have verses like 1 Timothy 2:4, Revelation 22:17 and Ezekiel 33:11, yet if it were all of man you could not have verses like John 6:44 or John 1:13. It is the combination of the will of God and the will of man, the place where repentance and faith meet grace, that salvation occurs.

    It most certainly does matter if the lost person is "willing" to turn to God and away from their sin, if it did not there would have been no point in God sending the prophets to sinners and calling for people to turn to God and there would not be verses like this either:

    "Luke 13:34 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, which killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee; how often would I have gathered thy children together, as a hen doth gather her brood under her wings, and ye would not!"

    Gods desires for men can be thwarted by their refusal to listen to him. If the God did not allow the will of man block his desire for them to be saved the only two options would be that God either does not wish to save certain people from hell or that everyone will be saved eventually. Neither of those options fits the teaching of the scripture.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from KAT in Reply to a Schaap Supporter   
    I watched that video too and it certainly contained a lot of garbage. Some of it can indeed be dismissed as just personal opinion but some of it is stated as if it is fact too. Beside the fact that his projection of Mary as an "older" lady is pretty far fetched given that biblically we know Mary had at least seven children counting Jesus, Schaap also goes pretty far in trash talking Joseph when there is zero scriptural basis for doing so. He condemns Joseph for being minded to "put mary away privily" when he found out she was pregnant prior to their marriage. He talks as if this was somehow evidence that Joseph wasn't really a very good guy and didn't love mary very much. Nevermind the fact that Matthew 1:19 says that he was "a just man" and "not willing to make her a public example". Also nevermind that when the angel appeared to Joseph to tell him it was ok to take her as his wife the angel said "fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife", showing that he wasn't exactly getting "rid" of her as schaap seems to be implying but was doing it because he feared God and believed it was the right thing to do. Schaap then goes on to say(around 6:25) that Jesus grew up in a "disfunctional family", a home of strife and contention, and that Mary was the only one in the family who believed he was God. While his brothers truly did not believe in him according to the scriptures we have no record of what his sisters believed one way or another and from the fact that Joseph believed the angel it is quite safe to assume that Joseph did indeed believe Christ was God.Schaap is qualifying some of this completely unsupported and oddball stuff as opinion but is also presenting a lot of it as if it is fact. Whew, it has been a while since I have listened to hyles anderson style preaching, I had almost forgotten how shallow on substance, careless with truth, and big on opinion and entertainment much of it is.


    Even if you don't think anything in that crosses a line into "real heresy", at the very least building such an elaborate and lengthy story without any basis in the scriptures is taking great liberties with the truth and God's church.

    I mean if you look at the biblical model:

    "1 Timothy 3:2-5 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) "

    You will see a signification portion of the qualifications have to do with being a careful person not likely to lead anyone wrong either with word or example. Frankly from behind the pulpit is a poor place to launch an extensive and dubious story line without scriptural basis. If such an extensive story line cannot be supported by scripture then what is the point of presenting it from the pulpit at all? Does a lengthy personal opinion on biblical matters without any scripture to back it up matter much? Way to many preachers seem to forget that they are standing behind th pulpit to teach people Gods word not to speculate and make stuff up. About the only reason I can think of to present such a story is to entertain and tell people something they probably haven't heard before. I don't think that is very worthwhile at the best, and at the worst it is pretty shameful. See, this kind of thing where a lot of hyles anderson style preachers loose credibility. On the one hand many are very big on talking about how they are "Gods man" and so forth, but when you hear them preach rather than honoring the word of God and acting like a man of God they do it a disservice by a great amount of unfounded speculation. A man of God's job is to bring the word of GOD to the people. When preachers are in the habit of generously mixing in their completely unfounded opinions with the word of God it is a serious red flag. After watching that video, ask yourself seriously, doesn't it come across more as a man preaching his opinions and mentioning the word of God occasionally rather than a man preaching the word of God and occasionally giving an opinion?

    I certainly don't expect preachers to be perfect, but I don't think it is unreasonable to expect them to preach Gods word rather than their baseless opinions.

    "Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from JerryNumbers in Reply to a Schaap Supporter   
    I fail to see why the underlined portion is a problem. You tell me how someone could possibly be saved if their heart was still so wrong that they had no desire to change from their own ways to Gods ways. As long as he is not teaching that someone must FIRST change in ORDER to be saved(and I have never seen evidence that he has done so) then it sounds perfectly biblical to me.




    As far as I have been able to tell the reason these different "groups" exist is primarily due to differences in doctrinal views. Therefore while "putting the word of the Lord above them" might sound good and all of the groups you mention would doubtless agree on that in principle in practice it means nothing since all the disagreements between those groups are based on what exactly the word and will of the Lord is on a given topic anyway.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from HappyChristian in Reply to a Schaap Supporter   
    Perhaps the brush was a bit broad but even so it is not uncommon and I know what he meant by it.




    I never knew or meet Hyles, all I have to judge him by is the pastors and teachers I have known that trained under him. A few were excellent men, but an unfortunately high percentage seemed to be extremely pompous and pushy. To me that sort of fruit doesn't speak particularly well of his training at least even if you should tell me that he personally was very humble. I also know of several "Hyles" school preachers that frequently quote Hyles as if that is somehow a definitive proof of their point. Declaring someone to be "king of the hill" in "fundamentalism" and speaking of those that disagree on doctrinal issues as "lesser men" does not strike me as the biblical model. Truth is, many that are first shall be last; and some of last shall be first. As far as who is who it is wise to stay humble both personally and be modest about lifting other men up even if you personally think they are spot on most all the time. If the apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost went to pains to not be personally lifted up and warned about it then I dare say we do well to keep that in mind. As far as the whole not speaking against "Gods man" which hyles graduates often seem so big on, I agree with it to a point, however it looses something when the preacher himself is constantly hitting on that point. It is one of those things that is true if the preacher is following God, but yet it is also one of those things the preacher is unlikely to hit on very much if he is a humble man and truly following God. It sort of reminds me of Numbers 12. If someone truly is Gods man the point need not be constantly reinforced by the man himself. God is entirely capable of defending his own men in his own way.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from rancher824 in Reply to a Schaap Supporter   
    Perhaps the brush was a bit broad but even so it is not uncommon and I know what he meant by it.




    I never knew or meet Hyles, all I have to judge him by is the pastors and teachers I have known that trained under him. A few were excellent men, but an unfortunately high percentage seemed to be extremely pompous and pushy. To me that sort of fruit doesn't speak particularly well of his training at least even if you should tell me that he personally was very humble. I also know of several "Hyles" school preachers that frequently quote Hyles as if that is somehow a definitive proof of their point. Declaring someone to be "king of the hill" in "fundamentalism" and speaking of those that disagree on doctrinal issues as "lesser men" does not strike me as the biblical model. Truth is, many that are first shall be last; and some of last shall be first. As far as who is who it is wise to stay humble both personally and be modest about lifting other men up even if you personally think they are spot on most all the time. If the apostle Paul under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost went to pains to not be personally lifted up and warned about it then I dare say we do well to keep that in mind. As far as the whole not speaking against "Gods man" which hyles graduates often seem so big on, I agree with it to a point, however it looses something when the preacher himself is constantly hitting on that point. It is one of those things that is true if the preacher is following God, but yet it is also one of those things the preacher is unlikely to hit on very much if he is a humble man and truly following God. It sort of reminds me of Numbers 12. If someone truly is Gods man the point need not be constantly reinforced by the man himself. God is entirely capable of defending his own men in his own way.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from HappyChristian in Reply to a Schaap Supporter   
    I fail to see why the underlined portion is a problem. You tell me how someone could possibly be saved if their heart was still so wrong that they had no desire to change from their own ways to Gods ways. As long as he is not teaching that someone must FIRST change in ORDER to be saved(and I have never seen evidence that he has done so) then it sounds perfectly biblical to me.




    As far as I have been able to tell the reason these different "groups" exist is primarily due to differences in doctrinal views. Therefore while "putting the word of the Lord above them" might sound good and all of the groups you mention would doubtless agree on that in principle in practice it means nothing since all the disagreements between those groups are based on what exactly the word and will of the Lord is on a given topic anyway.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from PastorMatt in New Name for IFBs   
    Hellfire and brimstone "bigots"? Seriously, I haven't found a lot of people that rejected fundamental baptists because they didn't know what that really meant and were turned off by the name, I have found a whole lot more that rejected it because they did more or less know what it meant and didn't like what IFB's(most of them anyway) generally stand for.
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    Seth Doty reacted to MatthewDiscipleOfGod in New Name for IFBs   
    I have no problems calling myself an Independent Fundamental Separatist Baptist. Just calling yourself a Christian will get some people to hate you. We need to stop worrying so much what others think and more about what God thinks. Otherwise you'll end up like one of those many Baptist churches that take Baptist out of their name so they don't "offend".
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