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Seth Doty

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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Martyr_4_FutureJoy in David Cloud Sword Of The Lord Article   
    Unless I am mistaken you have to sign up to get those e-mails. Since that is the case the only people that get the "warnings" are those who have at least some interest in what cloud has to say at least some of the time. It is just a person giving his opinion and you may or may not agree with him on any particular issue. How many people do or do not value his opinion or listen to him has nothing to do with anything strictly speaking. I get the impression your biggest problem with it is that cloud has a fairly wide audience and therefore you seem to think he should be more careful about expressing his opinions. To me though these kind of things are just his opinions which people can take or leave as they see fit.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from 2bLikeJesus in Church Covenants: Yes or No?   
    Church Covenants are neither biblical nor unbiblical. They are just one of a number of ways to assist in making sure everyone is at least roughly on the same page. Given that church membership is voluntary not compulsory, given that covenants are commonplace in scripture, and given that it is not uncommon for people to enter a church with ulterior motives a church covenant can be one tool to make subversion of a congregation a bit more difficult. 
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from HappyChristian in Church Covenants: Yes or No?   
    Church Covenants are neither biblical nor unbiblical. They are just one of a number of ways to assist in making sure everyone is at least roughly on the same page. Given that church membership is voluntary not compulsory, given that covenants are commonplace in scripture, and given that it is not uncommon for people to enter a church with ulterior motives a church covenant can be one tool to make subversion of a congregation a bit more difficult. 
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    Seth Doty reacted to swathdiver in Dr. Peter S. Ruckman past away today.   
    Well, I hope the fella was saved the bible's way.  He's done much damage to the cause of Christ with his dozens of heresies and false gospels and poor attitude and unscriptural conduct.  It is my hope that his movement fades quickly with his passing.  
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from swathdiver in Church Covenants: Yes or No?   
    Church Covenants are neither biblical nor unbiblical. They are just one of a number of ways to assist in making sure everyone is at least roughly on the same page. Given that church membership is voluntary not compulsory, given that covenants are commonplace in scripture, and given that it is not uncommon for people to enter a church with ulterior motives a church covenant can be one tool to make subversion of a congregation a bit more difficult. 
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from John81 in Faith to be healed   
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Old-Pilgrim in Faith to be healed   
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Alan in Faith to be healed   
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Ukulelemike in Church Covenants: Yes or No?   
    Church Covenants are neither biblical nor unbiblical. They are just one of a number of ways to assist in making sure everyone is at least roughly on the same page. Given that church membership is voluntary not compulsory, given that covenants are commonplace in scripture, and given that it is not uncommon for people to enter a church with ulterior motives a church covenant can be one tool to make subversion of a congregation a bit more difficult. 
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    Seth Doty reacted to Musician4God1611 in Church Covenants: Yes or No?   
    Here's my opinion, you can take it or leave it. A church covenant, like many things, can be good or bad depending on how it's used. It can be a good thing to have expectations in writing, that way no one has an excuse for not knowing. If they are required to read the church covenant before becoming a member than they know what is expected of them as a member and they can't say, "I wasn't there when you taught on that". What should you put in a church covenant? I guess that all depends on what you expect from your members. I would say, if you are going to have a church covenant, write it yourself. Don't rely on someone else to decide what is Biblically right to expect of the members.
    Just my two cents.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Ronda in Where do we draw the line for IFB?   
    I suppose the moderators/administrator could develop a statement of faith that spelled out some of the non-negotiable doctrinal positions of the board leadership much like a church would have. It could be as detailed or as limited as one wished to make it. In order to post members would have to agree not to come here and promote doctrine contrary to that in the board statement of faith. That wouldn't get rid of all the problems, nor would it necessarily exclude non-IFB's from posting, but it might make things a little more orderly and there might be fewer threads with more people are arguing for bad doctrine than against it. :twocents:
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    Seth Doty reacted to MatthewDiscipleOfGod in Another Ifb College Succumbs...   
    I never attended the school but know many who have. For years now they have abandoned their roots. They started accepting CCM, then CCM rock and even female preachers. This is just the latest.
     
    http://indefenseofthegospel.blogspot.com/search/label/Northland%20Int%27l%20University
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Lynnie86 in New From Canada   
    Welcome to the board lynn, I see you made it. 
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from candlelight in Duck Dynasty Patriarch Suspended   
    This is probably going to backfire on the network. The media has been pushing hard for homosexuality to be completely accepted as "normal" and to frame all those who disagree as "bad" people and bigots some time. While they have made significant strides toward shifting public opinion to match their point of view they are not all together there yet. They are overreaching on this one as the biblical point of view on homosexuality that he expressed is not yet as widely rejected and despised as they wish it would be. There are still a lot of even completely secular people who find it disgusting and morally objectionable even though they may not have the nerve to say so publicly.     
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from John81 in Duck Dynasty Patriarch Suspended   
    This is probably going to backfire on the network. The media has been pushing hard for homosexuality to be completely accepted as "normal" and to frame all those who disagree as "bad" people and bigots some time. While they have made significant strides toward shifting public opinion to match their point of view they are not all together there yet. They are overreaching on this one as the biblical point of view on homosexuality that he expressed is not yet as widely rejected and despised as they wish it would be. There are still a lot of even completely secular people who find it disgusting and morally objectionable even though they may not have the nerve to say so publicly.     
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from candlelight in Where do we draw the line for IFB?   
    Something roughly like this?

    Doctrine of God:

    We believe in only one holy, righteous, just, perfect, merciful, gracious, long suffering, omnipotent, omniscient, God who is abundant in mercy and truth and composed of a Godhead of three distinct eternal persons. The Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit. We believe each of these persons is fully equal and fully God and yet fulfill different roles. We believe the Father is the supreme ruler of all things. We believe all things of the Father are Jesus Christ the Sons and that the Father has committed all judgement into his hands. We believe that the work of the Son is to glorify the Father and the Father glorifies the Son. We believe the work of the Holy Spirit is to guide believers into all truth and reveal the truth contained in the scriptures to their hearts. His work also includes convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and judgement. We believe that while God can always do as he wishes certain "sign gifts" of the Holy Spirit(tongues, miracles, the gift of healing etc.) are not active at this point in time and those who teach otherwise have repeatedly been tried and found liars.

    Concerning the Scriptures:

    We believe that every word of the scriptures was given by inspiration of God and that every word of of the scriptures has been preserved by his divine power from the tainting of man thus retaining their inspired character in its entirety.
    We therefore hold the scriptures to be the foremost authority for faith and practice and reject every doctrine or teaching contrary to the teachings of the 66 books of scripture as not of God and false. We believe that the revelation of scripture was completed with the book of Revelation. Online baptist holds that the King James Bible is Gods inspired, preserved word for the English speaking peoples and does not permit using other versions on the forum. We reject the teaching of the double inspiration of the KJV and hold that the KJV retains the original divine inspiration of the scriptures through faithful translation and Gods divine preservation rather than being re-inspired in the English language in 1611.

    Doctrine of Salvation:

    We believe all men are born sinners and deserving of hell. We believe God sent his only begotten Son Jesus Christ into the world to make a substitutionary sacrifice by his death that was sufficient to atone for the sin of the whole world. We believe man was dead in sin and unable to come to God yet the true light, Jesus Christ , "lighteth every man that cometh into the world" and through that universal grace of light every man is freely afforded the opportunity to repent and come to the light. We reject the doctrine that God has chosen some to go to heaven and has not chosen others. Rather we believe that God, who is rich in mercy, has chosen all mankind for salvation but unfortunately some will go to hell because they, by hardness of heart and self will, chose to frustrate the grace of God by rejecting his free gift and trampling under foot the precious blood of Christ. We believe in order to truly pass from death to life a person must repent of their sins and call upon God to receive salvation and remission of sins by grace through faith in Gods promise and Christ's blood. We believe good works do not and can never have any part in salvation, truly all our righteousness is as filthy rags, however if a person is truly saved good works will follow because their heart has been changed by the operation of God.

    Christian living:

    We believe God has called believers to be holy because he is holy. We believe God progressively conforms believers into the image of Christ as they submit to his revealed will. Stubborn resistance and failure to submit to Gods revealed will prevents spiritual growth indefinitely and may bring Gods chastening. Christians have a responsibility to warn, comfort, rebuke, and edify one another in a spirit of meekness and kindness with the good of each other at heart. God is not pleased when Christians forget this and debate in foolish anger or for strife, pride, or vainglory. Christians also have a duty not to take offense easily. "1st Peter 2:19-23 "For this is thank worthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, suffering wrongfully. For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently,this is acceptable with God. For even hereunto were ye called: because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example,that ye should follow his steps: Who did no sin, neither was guile found in his mouth: Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:"

    Grace be with all them that love our Lord Jesus Christ in sincerity. Amen


    Feel free to edit or ignore that as you see fit but something like that is probably not a bad starting point should you end up deciding to include some type of statement of faith about non-negotiables. Detailed enough to stop arguments about some of the most serious irreconcilable problems that tend to come up on the board but not so detailed that it requires everyone to have cookie cutter beliefs exactly like everyone else.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from swathdiver in Pope Said Church Should Not Be Obsessed With Gays And Abortion   
    I see what your saying here to be an ever increasing refrain among professing Christians and very honestly I don't like it one bit. I think it is either a intentional or unintentional effort to bring the Christian world view a little "closer" to the modern acceptance of homosexuality in the western world. Yes, it is indeed quite true that any sin will send someone who has not trusted in Christ to hell but some sins are indeed "worse" than others and are frequently indicative of a exceptionally deep level of depravity. God overthrew Sodom & Gomorrah to make an example of them when that sort of sin was extremely widespread. The nation of Israel almost wiped out one of their own tribes, the tribe of Benjamin, at one point for the same level of depravity when it existed on a broad scale in that tribe. Homosexuality is a extremely serious, extremely depraved and wicked sort of sin. It is one of the sins, along with murder, that in biblical history hastens the filling up of Gods cup of wrath and brings national judgment when it is widely practiced and accepted. It isn't exactly a ho, hum, you went 10 miles an hour over the speed limit and that is wrong but we are all sinners and nobody is perfect sort of thing. I relatively recently heard a preacher at a large "progressive" rock and roll(IMHO) type church in the greenville sc area preach on the subject of homosexuality. To his credit, at least he did say flat out that it was wrong. What definitely was not to his credit though was the timid, apologetic way in which he said it. He then proceeded to spend twice as much time preaching against "homophobia" and did that with much more enthusiasm and strong words. All he was doing was reflecting cultural pressure. I find it funny in a way that when you break down the term "homophobia" it literally means the fear of man, and that is exactly what bowing to cultural pressure is, the fear of men and what they will say. Of course when the term is used in our culture it is applied to those who actually are not afraid of man and are not embarrassed to say that "men with men working that which is unseemly" as scripture puts it, is a immoral, vile and utterly repulsive activity. I guess I am saying don't be afraid to call a spade a spade. More and more Christians are getting to where they are afraid to call a spade a spade in this area and try to sugar coat it. Some things can't and shouldn't be sugar coated. This is one of those areas where the modern western world is going to hate bible believing Christians for what they stand for. It is not avoidable, it just goes with the territory. We just need to accept that is the way it is, deal with it, and go from there.
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from The Ohio Patriot in The Purification Approach To The Kjv   
    I think it is balony. 
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from HappyChristian in Overcoming Flawed View Of God   
    I am glad your being open about it, and I don't think that it is so much a entirely flawed view of God suzy, it is just a incomplete picture. Take this verse I came across just last night.

    "Jeremiah 22:6 For thus saith the LORD unto the king's house of Judah; Thou art Gilead unto me, and the head of Lebanon: yet surely I will make thee a wilderness, and cities which are not inhabited." God is telling Israel how much they mean to him yet in the same breath he is telling them that isn't going to stop him from punishing them when they really deserve it and are unrepentant about it. 
     
    I think the thing you may be struggling with, and it is a not a uncommon struggle, is subconsciously you may feel that you need to live up to a certain set of standards in order to "earn" Gods love and favor. If you fail to dot your i's & cross your t's spiritually you feel like you have failed(which is most likely true) and that God is standing there in wrath keeping track of every failure and sin and saying that will be another "smack" with my spiritual belt. (which is not true) Of course if somebody feels that way they are going to be stressed and miserable because no one ever managed to live up to Gods set of standards and the better a person knows the scriptures the more obvious it will be to them that they are continually sinning in one area or another and are not now nor ever have been what they should be. That can easily lead to misery and depression....  
     
    That form of the "miserable Christian life" is a easy thing to slip into, and it comes I think from subconsciously trying to establish our own righteousness rather than submitting to the righteousness of God. While we know and accept that we can't earn salvation itself by works we often tend to slip into the mistaken notion that after salvation we earn or fail to earn Gods approval, favor, & or love by our works. Reality is though that salvation is by faith alone and not of works and that proper Christian living and Gods favor comes through faith alone and is not of works either. Good works and righteous living are some of the evidences of having the proper heart toward God they are not in and of themselves the means by which Gods favor is "earned".
     
    God is most concerned with the condition of the heart through all scripture, and when a believer is punished by God as a judgement it is ONLY and I repeat ONLY because they do not have a repentant heart about that sin they committed. In that case Gods judgment is for the purpose of bringing them to a place where they can see in their heart the real problem with their sin and thus reach the place where they can actually repent of it or in some cases it is to serve as a warning to others not to do what they have done. If a Christian does have a repentant heart for their sin or failure God does not need to judge them for it. There is no point or anything to be gained from it. Christ paid the price for all their sins so it isn't like the sin needs to be paid for twice. It is forgiven and done with. Consequences of sin are different from Gods judgment though, consequences of sin are the natural result of doing what God said should not be done and many times they are some of the reasons why God doesn't want us to do something in the first place. Consequences for past sin or foolishness is not the same as God's ongoing judgement and sometimes God will reduce, take away, or help us bare the consequences for sins or stupidity of the past if we ask him to do so. 
     
     
    God's judgement is like the spanking a kid gets for hitting another kid and "apologizing" when forced in a decidedly "not sorry" voice.
    Consequences for sin are more like that same kid biting into a rotten sandwich the next week that the kid he hit put in his lunch box regardless of whether or not he had been punished for it.
     
     
    Two different things that happen for different reasons...
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    Seth Doty reacted to swathdiver in Did You Ever Preach On The Subject Tattoos   
    2 Instances of folks not honoring their spouse, their vows or the Lord because of vanity of vanities.  
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from HappyChristian in Music In The Independent Baptist Churches   
    Your loosing the youth with or without "hymnal only". The only question is what are you loosing them to? My suspicion is that many conservative churches are essentially like the Church at Sardis and loose the youth in part for that reason, however, what they loose them to tends to be either the world outright or Laodicean like churches.  If A Sardis like church is loosing its youth to the world and Laodicean like churches the answer is not become more like the world and Laodicean like Churches, the answer is get right with God, get real, and be something worth having and being rather than being just a empty talking shell. Converting from the church of sardis to the the church of laodicea does no one any good, it just trades one set of problems for another. That is why so often there is a progression in youth that start out in a conservative church, move to a more liberal church, then end up quitting on God and churches all together. They see dead liberalism isn't really any better than dead conservatism and just get to where they don't see anything worth having at all. 
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Steve Schwenke in Music In The Independent Baptist Churches   
    Your loosing the youth with or without "hymnal only". The only question is what are you loosing them to? My suspicion is that many conservative churches are essentially like the Church at Sardis and loose the youth in part for that reason, however, what they loose them to tends to be either the world outright or Laodicean like churches.  If A Sardis like church is loosing its youth to the world and Laodicean like churches the answer is not become more like the world and Laodicean like Churches, the answer is get right with God, get real, and be something worth having and being rather than being just a empty talking shell. Converting from the church of sardis to the the church of laodicea does no one any good, it just trades one set of problems for another. That is why so often there is a progression in youth that start out in a conservative church, move to a more liberal church, then end up quitting on God and churches all together. They see dead liberalism isn't really any better than dead conservatism and just get to where they don't see anything worth having at all. 
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Covenanter in Music In The Independent Baptist Churches   
    Your loosing the youth with or without "hymnal only". The only question is what are you loosing them to? My suspicion is that many conservative churches are essentially like the Church at Sardis and loose the youth in part for that reason, however, what they loose them to tends to be either the world outright or Laodicean like churches.  If A Sardis like church is loosing its youth to the world and Laodicean like churches the answer is not become more like the world and Laodicean like Churches, the answer is get right with God, get real, and be something worth having and being rather than being just a empty talking shell. Converting from the church of sardis to the the church of laodicea does no one any good, it just trades one set of problems for another. That is why so often there is a progression in youth that start out in a conservative church, move to a more liberal church, then end up quitting on God and churches all together. They see dead liberalism isn't really any better than dead conservatism and just get to where they don't see anything worth having at all. 
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from swathdiver in Music In The Independent Baptist Churches   
    Your loosing the youth with or without "hymnal only". The only question is what are you loosing them to? My suspicion is that many conservative churches are essentially like the Church at Sardis and loose the youth in part for that reason, however, what they loose them to tends to be either the world outright or Laodicean like churches.  If A Sardis like church is loosing its youth to the world and Laodicean like churches the answer is not become more like the world and Laodicean like Churches, the answer is get right with God, get real, and be something worth having and being rather than being just a empty talking shell. Converting from the church of sardis to the the church of laodicea does no one any good, it just trades one set of problems for another. That is why so often there is a progression in youth that start out in a conservative church, move to a more liberal church, then end up quitting on God and churches all together. They see dead liberalism isn't really any better than dead conservatism and just get to where they don't see anything worth having at all. 
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    Seth Doty got a reaction from Salyan in Music In The Independent Baptist Churches   
    Your loosing the youth with or without "hymnal only". The only question is what are you loosing them to? My suspicion is that many conservative churches are essentially like the Church at Sardis and loose the youth in part for that reason, however, what they loose them to tends to be either the world outright or Laodicean like churches.  If A Sardis like church is loosing its youth to the world and Laodicean like churches the answer is not become more like the world and Laodicean like Churches, the answer is get right with God, get real, and be something worth having and being rather than being just a empty talking shell. Converting from the church of sardis to the the church of laodicea does no one any good, it just trades one set of problems for another. That is why so often there is a progression in youth that start out in a conservative church, move to a more liberal church, then end up quitting on God and churches all together. They see dead liberalism isn't really any better than dead conservatism and just get to where they don't see anything worth having at all. 
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