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  1. This has become a disappointing thread. :mellow:

    Well, John, why don't you ever add anything to this subject except your complaining about the meanies all the time? You never seem to come to defend the truth but only attack those whom you find mean. You don't seem to mind someone whose teachings led to the slaughter of millions of Jews and who himself wants the Jews kicked out of their rightful land yet you have a big problem with calling someone "blind" or saying they are mangling the scripture (Peter called it "wresting" which is just as bad) when they are. To me this is "straining at a gnat yet swallowing a camel". It wouldn't matter how I would respond, John, you would still find fault with it like you did in the thread about the identity of the Antichrist (yeah, man, I remember that one). Invicta and Covenator say without a doubt it's the Pope yet you attacked premillennialists (which would include me) in the thread for trying to figure out who the Antichrist is when were the ones who said we don't know who he is while Invicta and Covenator say without a doubt it the Pope! Kind of a contradiction wouldn't you say.

    Go ahead and locked this thread because I'm personally sick and tired of hearing this conceited teaching against Israel (Romans 9) and the spineless Christians afraid to say anything against it. If I was a Jew browsing some of these threads by Invicta and Covenantor I would think "typical Jew bashing Christians".
  2. I'm sure that 99% of Christians would send there kids to a Christian school, or even homeschool them, if they could.

    (I hope you like sleeping on the couch, because it's illegal for an adult to share a bedroom with a child over a certain age and different gender children must also have different rooms).

    I had to share a bedroom with my mom up until I was 13. She would have a big temporary divider built down the middle of the bedroom. My brother's bedroom would be in the basement or utility room.
  3. The feminists love this stuff. This could be the break they are hoping for to help them completely take over the churches as they are taking over the government, schools, businesses, etc. If they can "prove" that Jesus was married then they can claim that Jesus passed the headship of the church over to Mary Magdalene.

    If this papyrus is real it is nothing but Gnostic rubbish that was meant to remain buried. The apostle John dealt with these blasphemous heretics in I John. It seems that this heresy will rear it's ugly head again during the last days of the church as it did in the beginning days.

    Oh, and Jesus is married. He is married to the church. (II Cor 11:2)

  4. That again is a silly post. "The prince" was not the subject of the sentence, so the "He" refers back to the last subject male mentioned, Messiah. Even if you do not agree with that grammar, in the OT, pronouns often refer back several places. As the whole prophecy is of the coming and work of Jesus, the Saviour, I consider it a gross error to introduce the Antichrist intoi it, as Scofield does.

    What? The prince isn't the subject?

    Again, according to your thinking the "people of the prince" (i.e. the Messiah) are the ones who destroyed the city. This would make it born again believers according to your thinking. You cannot get around this nor explain it with your heresy. You have born again Christians destroying the temple and sanctuary.

    I don't know, maybe this is how Christians in Europe justified persecuting Jews for the last 1500 years. Maybe they thought it was commanded by Jesus himself.

    If you want to know who the prince is who destroys the temple you need to read the next chapter but I realize neither you nor Covenantor will grasp it's truth because you are both blinded by your hatred for the nation of Israel.

  5. That is the problem with futurism, it doesn't teach that Rome is Mystery Babylon and the Pope is Antichrist, as the church does. David Cloud by teaching futurism encourages all this.

    "Futurism"? That's right, preterists love keeping the bible relegated to the dead past.

    I know boat loads of "futurists" who teach that the Pope is the Antichrist. Again, you don't know what you are talking about. Your mind seems to be locked on a belief about premillennialists that just isn't true.

  6. Only the tribes of Israel pierced him? The future people did not pierce him? I pretty sure that the whole world pierced Christ. If I remember Paul made this clear in Romans and Corinthians.

    Romans 3:19- Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

    I Cor. 2:8- Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

    Brother, you are completely mangling the bible as I said before. I'm pretty sure that nobody in your congregation believes what you are saying. At least nobody who is reading the passages before them.

  7. From another thread:

    Surely Messiah confirms the covenant.

    The covenant was broken when the prince cause the sacrifices to cease.

    You do know that there is a difference between "Messiah the Prince" and "people of the prince"? Don't cha? Or do you actually think that the "people of the prince" are born again believers who razed the temple, sacked the city and caused the sacrifice and oblation to cease?

    You still can't explain what the confirmation for a week is with the interpretation you come up with. So Jesus confirmed a covenant for seven years than in the midst of those seven years caused the sacrifices to cease?

    It clear from the cross reference I gave you that the "covenant" is the Mosaic Law.

  8. Maybe for your family, but not necessarily for every family. There are many people who don't have TV, cell phones, extra car, etc. and are still having a hard time with money. There are many, many people in today's economy that are struggling just to provide food and warmth. I live just north of Detroit and we have a lot of poor kids who come to our church. Kids who smell because they haven't showered and own 1 change of clothes. There are kids who fill up their plates with food heaping so big that the plate can hardly hold it... why? Because at home they are starving. Are their parents sinning because Detroit's auto industry has left them without a job? No. They are trying to do their best, which is what all of us are trying to do.

    Before I was saved my parents split time raising me. When I lived with my mom it was a struggle. At times I would come home and there was nothing to eat. And my mom worked too. I remember one time I came home and the only thing to eat was honey. Unfortunately I fell asleep in the chair with an open jar of honey I was eating which ran down me, the chair and onto the shag rug. I tried blaming my brother for it. :lol:

    Anyway, I'm sure there are saved people in this situation. A single mom who hardly makes any money, living in an area where there are no Christian schools, who can't homeschool herself because of circumstances.

    Maybe this is a good ministry for Christians with loads of money. Sponsor poor families who want a Christian education for their children. Or maybe the church itself running a Christian school supported by congregation. I do believe some churches do this. I know I spent six years on a Christian camp for troubled kids (sort of like Lester Roloff's ministry or Freedom Village in NY) which was supported primarily by two rich Christians in Pittsburgh, Pa as well as the offerings of other churches. We had a school on the camp too. There was one kid at the camp, who was 17 when he first arrived and whom only had a 5th grade education level. He graduated in two years with a college level reading ability using A.C.E. PACEs and became a counsellor himself at the camp.

    'Nuff of the rambling.

  9. I know many homeschooled kids who grew up to hate anything to do with God. I know other homeschooled kids who can't read even as a teenager.

    Marilyn Manson, the rock singer, who was buddies with Anton LaVey (the author of the Satanic Bible) and has an album entitled Antichrist Superstar, went to a Christian school.

    Aleister Crowley (aka the Beast), whose parents were Plymouth Brethren, was homeschooled then sent to a private school run by evangelicals.

    Interestingly, my brother was saved at school. Some guy was going around to the schools and giving karate demonstrations in the auditorium then afterward he would give a gospel presentation and invitation. If I remember right my brother said about 14 kids raised their hands for salvation. Whether or not the school knew that the karate dude was going to do this I'm not sure. This was in New Jersey too. Being fair though, this was many years ago and the schools are probably much worse now. Although from my brother's stories they weren't too great then either.

  10. If memory serves, in order to convict of a crime according to scriptures there must be two witnesses. In our "modern society" women are alone all the time. In times past they were always with their parents, siblings and husband, so they were never alone, when out and about.

    I come from a worldly past and these precautions are alien to me and my family, to my shame. However, I noticed that a great many men in our church, old and young always accompany their wives. It's not that they're controlling as liberals would protest, they're protecting and serving as a deterrant to criminals.

    I have no ideas of the facts of this case but it seems likely that this was consensual and the media is being used to keep the father away.

    One relative was 14 when she had her first child and I think my grandmother was 13 when she gave birth to the first of six children. I discovered that my next door neighbor was listed as a sex-offender. So I confronted him, he'd been with his wife since they were both 15 or 16 and they now had two children. What was normal in my ancestor's day was illegal now for this fellow.

    On the other hand, I have relatives who were raped for years by biological and step parents/siblings. In two instances, they failed to press charges and the predator moved on and victimized others before finally, someone reported them to police and they were put behind bars. In these instances it's pretty cut and dry, these perverts should've been given a week to get right with God and then hanged. Instead we coddle them behind bars for decades or more on our dime.

    People don't know it but you can be a registered sex offender for urinating in public. Even if it's not near children or a school. This has happened where someone busted for indecent exposure, (i.e. peeing outside) was charged and had to register as a sex offender.

  11. I see you used the NIV in this sermon.

    Also, all the tribes of the earth watched Jesus ascend to the Father and the coming of the Son of man is really the going of the Son of man?

  12. Christian parents are to bring their children up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord, teaching them the things of God day and night. This doesn't occur in public school where humanism and the things of the world are taught and exampled as good while the things of God are ignored or mocked.

    Some children survive all sorts of evil but that doesn't mean a Christian parent should think it's okay to toss their children into the devil's lair.

    OK, John, I'm sure you can sponsor some Christian family who can't afford to send their children to private school or don't have the brains to homeschool them. Maybe you can bring over a family from China or Europe who would love to get their children into a Christian school. If it's sin for a believer here not to send their kids to a Christian school or homeschool them then it is over there also. So why don't you help them out.

    The Pharisees were good at creating man made laws and then not lifting a finger to help anyone carry them out.

  13. My wife insists that a 14 year old or anyone under 18 can not have consensual sex, unless with someone the same age. I find this odd. If a 14 year old can have consensual sex with a 14 year, why can't they have consensual sex with a 20 year old. She immediately changes the question into, "an adult should know better." This really doesn't answer my question I asked her. The world is getting more sexualized via TV and music and such. Kids younger and younger are going to start having sex because of the world they live in. Some 14 year olds look and act very mature and seductive. If this was consensual and they had a "mature relationship", why souldn't he see his child?

    Man's law is so messed up. God says don't have sex until marriage. Can it get any more perfect than that?

    Legally speaking I believe your wife may be right even though we know the maturity of some 14 year olds.

    I agree with you that if everyone followed God's method that life would be so much easier. Yet we know this is never going to happen until Christ returns.

  14. Has anyone considered the thought that this monster may have made repentance towards God and put his faith in Jesus Christ?

    What is the mother's responsibility to God in regards to this horrible event and her attacker?

    I'm the last one to be talking about spiritual things usually, but the responses so far have come from the flesh; the old man!

    How do you come up with the responses being from the "old man"?

    Maybe he didn't get right and she did? Then what?

    People are responding to the information given.

    My response is strictly by what most likely will happen. The judge will not care whether he go right with God or not.
  15. He'll probably get it. Especially in Massachusetts. The circumstances behind it make it sound like it was consensual sex even though it's legally statutory rape. If he has to pay child support and he's not in the clink they'll have to let him have visitation rights unless they deem him a threat to the child's welfare. If he is really only interested in avoiding child support payments than the parents should seek to adopt the child. If it's his only concern most likely he'll agree to it then they won't have to be bothered anymore with him until the child becomes 18 and wants to know who his father is. But even this can be avoided.

    Hey, did you all know that the child rapist Mary Kay Letourneau ended up marrying that kid she had two children with?

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