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  1. I was banned from a site that worshipped John Piper. Everything was John Piper. They were nuts about the guy. Nothing that guy said could ever be questioned. I can't even remember what it was that got me banned. I think it was something to do with Bob Jones U. and race but I'm not sure. Anyway, the website doesn't exist anymore. At least I can't find it.

  2. Why does it have to be Baptist?

    I would recommend Lewis Sperry Chafer to anyone. He was a Congregationalist minister which is very similar to Baptist. I'm not suggesting everything is spot on but what makes his set of Systematic Theology the best IMO is the practical applications he makes along with the doctrine he teaches. It's not a dry read.

    Here's it is if you want to check it out in pdf format:


    Here you can by it:


    Here is his book Major Bible Themes, which is an abridged version of his Systematic Theology, pdf format:


  3. I'm looking forward to reading a non-mangled "interpretation" of the 144,000. I assume the silence indicates approval of my reading of Scripture, or a recognition that it cannot be refuted from Scripture.

    Eric confirms that the "futurists" consider that prophecy has nothing to do with the church, or anyone living in the Gospel age, but is all about some future generation in a future dispensation. The church will be "up there" enjoying a grandstand view of the tribulations below.

    Come on folk - let's be practical - forget all the "Left Behind" rubbish that has nothing to do with us. We ARE living in the Gospel age, & we have the inspired Bible to teach & guide us.

    Blessed [is] he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time [is] at hand.

    The non mangled interpretation of the passage is it means what it says and says what it means. It's 144,000 Jews from the tribes of Israel. Why is this so hard to grasp? It's not "born again Jews" or "Jewish Christians" or the "Israel of God" (i.e. the church).

    You have no evidence in history of 144,000 virgin male Christian Jews fleeing Israel before the fall of Jerusalem. Even if they did what happened to them afterward? Did they get married and move to France with Jesus and Mary Magdalene? Did they become Ethiopians? Did the become the Royal Family in England? You are making up history like the Mormons do.

    And what about Daniel 9:27? What covenant did Jesus break in the midst of the week? The OT? Jesus didn't break it he fulfilled it. Plus, Jesus' ministry was 3 1/2 years not 7 years. Why the mention of another 3 1/2 years? Was it the NT? So Jesus broke the NT 3 1/2 years after his resurrection? Or perhaps it was Titus who broke the covenant in the midst of the week. Well, what "week" is this a reference to and how did Titus break the covenant? Either way you read it it doesn't make sense. You have to account for those 3 1/2 years after the covenant is broken.

    Which covenant is it in Daniel 9:27? It's clear from Daniel 9:4 cross referenced with Exodus 20:6 that the covenant mentioned in that passage is the OT.

    You need to put down your Church of England beliefs and believe the bible. Great Britain is not the Israel of God, the Royal Family are not descendants of the crown of Israel and Jerusalem will not be built on England's green and pleasant land.

  4. I don't believe they rejoice.

    Go over to Fighting Fundamentalist forum and you'll see a lot of them rejoicing and wanting to see him get the most severe punishment as possible so they can say "I told you so."

    I have never heard Schaap preach nor have I ever read anything by him. I am quit familiar with Jack Hyles though and I never came across any of the things they claim he said. Maybe it was different in private but from all the tons of sermons I listened too from the 70's and 80's I never heard him preach any of these crazy things folks claim he did.

  5. I feel for this man & the church he was pastor of.

    I had a pastor friend go down due to drinking, & any way a pastor goes down is quite ugly.

    I agree with you Jerry. Too many of the brethren rejoice at this things so they can say "I told you so". None of this is good for the testimony of Jesus Christ. Not Jack Schaap's fornication nor the brethren who keep railing on him, Hyles and First Baptist. All these pastors who keep falling and backsliding is very troubling.

  6. Jack Schaap (obviously evil fruit) is the product of First Baptist Church in Hammond, Indiana (a corrupt tree).

    Are you serious? You really do have some issues with that church don't you. It seems the only time you come into this forum it's for the purpose of nailing Jack Hyles and First Baptist. This makes me think there is a deeper issue going on with YOU.

    If the church was so corrupt they wouldn't have outed him. If he was so corrupt I guarantee he wouldn't have laid down so easily for the law.
  7. I just don't understand how a 54 year old man who is a pastor gets tangled up with a 17 year old girl. I'm 44 and I wouldn't be able to get a 17 year old girl to give me the time of day let alone this stuff (which, by the way, I am very thankful for!). This makes me think the girl herself was emotional insecure. Maybe she never had a father figure in the home.

    This isn't the first pastor I know of that this has happened to. I can guarantee one thing it all started with him looking at porn on that computer of his.

    I know some of the brethren would like to see the death penalty applied here but I think 10 years hard time is a bit harsh for fornicating with a 17 year old girl. But being a pastor and man of influence over people he's probably gonna get slammed hard.

  8. Why would the sodomites lie about this? It would only make them look bad and Chick-fil-A look good. If anything the sex perverts would want to make Chick-fil-A look as mean and bigoted as possible. I think there is some truth to the OP. Chick-fil-A the end of the day is a business and ostracizing any group of people, including sex perverts, is not good for business. They need to figure out how please both sides. I'm still convinced that Chick-fil-a will eventually side with the perverts because the sodomites (like most liberals) will keep at it relentlessly until the opposition caves.

  9. He doesn't call himself a brider even though he says some would claim him that. There are many definitions when it comes to "Baptist Brider". I find nothing in his doctrine that would cause me to shy away from promoting the school. No one will ever agree 100% with the doctrine of a school. All the free schools I have looked into have much greater problems. Even the ones you have to pay for online I have found have bigger issues with when it comes to doctrine.

    Yeah, you'll always find something that will be off. But you can't argue with the fact that it's free.

  10. 1948

    Yolu are absolutley mangling what I said.

    My answer was a quote from the scripture Either you are dishonest or you are a confused bunny.
    Lu 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

    The Jews have returned, so the times of the Gentiles must have been fulfilled.

    The times were fulfilled, either when Allenby marched into Jerusalem in 1917 or in 1948.

    Absolutletly. The scripture that I quoted showed that Christ came as a minister to confirm the promises, that is the covenant, made to the fathers. It is no secret, I have posted that before. Almost a direct quote from Daniel

    You need to go back and read Daniel 9 objectively without the goggles of the CoE on.

  11. I earlier asked a number of questions which weren't answered, I will make it easier b y repeating just one.

    3. The Reformation.Was it a:

    a, Work of God
    b. Work of man,
    c. Work of Satan

    Anyone can answer.

    Probably a little bit of all. God starts the movement. Man turns it into a machine. Eventually Satan turns it into a monument where the birds of the air like to perch.

  12. I find it interesting that some Baptists claim Baptists have existed forever but not always under that name yet they don't acknowledge "Baptist" churches today who exist under a different name.

    Much of the efforts to claim a direct line to the Apostles, and thus to Jesus, by some Baptists seems very much like the attempts of the RCC, Orthodox and others to do the same.

    Bible believers have always existed, not Baptists. The mistake is made that Baptists have been around since Pentecost (or some say since John the Baptist) because Baptists generally make up the largest block of bible believing Christians. There may come a day where the Baptist label will not be used any more by bible believing Christians because of apostasy among Baptist churches.
  13. They'll eventually cave like everyone else. They'll start feeling bad after enough Christians start quoting bible verses to them about how mean and unloving they are or that they need to sit and have a dialogue with the queers. Their conscience will falsely accuse them then it will be "Celebration Homo Day". (See, even some of you twitched when I used the words "queer" and "homo".)

  14. Hovind mentioned Wyatt's discovery of the Arc of the Convenant which is said to be directly underneath Calvary, where Christ was crucified.

    The ark is in heaven.

    Rev. 11:19- And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

    My guess is that the Jews will go ahead and build another ark or that the Antichrist will "find" it someplace and give it to them.

  15. So you believe that the Jews aren't entitled to the land because they are to be continued to be trodden down by us until the completion of the church?

    You believe that the covenant confirm in Daniel 9 is the NT?

    See, this is what I'm saying. Mangled scripture. MANGLED! And not one peep from John in defense of the truth.

  16. Asking someone how they will mangle Scripture is mocking or denigrating, or both. This is unnecessary and unhelpful. In other posts you show you can provide answers, responses and rebuttals without such talk and in those there is openness for discussion and edification.

    I was going to provide a "rebuttal" after he got done mangling the scripture.

    By the way John, I never see you providing too many rebuttals. You seem to always run to his defense.

  17. I do not believe replacement theology. I believe what the bible teaches and that is we are grafted into Israel and when the fulness of the gentiles has come in, the Jews will be grafted back in.

    Do you believe that God still has a special place in his heart for the NATION of Israel (I'm not talking about "spiritural Jews" or "Jewish Christians" here)?

    Do you believe that Israel will be restored to God as his chosen nation sometime in the future?

    Do you believe that the promises and covenants still belong to them?

    Do you believe they have a right to the land of Palestine?

    Do you believe that they should hand their land over to the Arabs?

    Do you believe that the OT promises made to Abraham and David still apply to them?

    Do you believe that Christ's literal and physical 1000 year reign will be upon this earth located in Israel with his capital in Jerusalem?

    If not then, like most churches that came out of the Reformation and which persecuted the Jews, you do believe in Replacement Theology. And please don't try telling me that what I listed above is what the Jesuits believe.
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