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  1. The issue isn't the age of the manuscripts, indeed one of the two main manuscripts the MV's(modern versions) are based on was know about and rejected before the KJV was translated.

    The real issue is the text lines, the KVJ comes from the "textus receptus"(recieved text) which is what has been used and accepted as the NT bible for hundreds of years, and the MV's are based on an "older" alexanderian text line of which only a relatively few copies exist, and these copies disagree among themselves as much or more than they disagree with the TR. However, certain textual critics came along with a pre-formed opinion that what had been regarded as the scriptures for hundreds of years was flawed and that these few older copies that disagree significantly with one another were going to be "better" and "more" accurate. :bonk: So, today we have a vast number of "new"(relatively speaking) bibles based on these flawed texts that greatly disagree even among themselves, yet they are supposed to be "more accurate" because the copies they were translated from are older. Of course, if you believe that you have to believe that God left his people with only a corrupted bible for hundreds of years(and that is still all they think we have today), and it took modern textual critics to "fix" it "somewhat" for us. :bonk: Unfortunately, some people actually do think that....



    That part isn't the case at all. If anything the English language has declined somewhat since then and not as many words are in common use.


    OH ok. Thanks. But what I don't understand is how the newer manuscripts could be better than the older ones. Could it be that the newer manuscripts were actually copied from manuscripts that were older than the Alexandrian texts but we just don't have the older manuscripts now?
  2. I have a question. Why must we use the King James Version only when there have been older manuscripts found and we know more about the English language than we did before back in 1611? :puzzled: I am not disagreeing with the King James Only position, I am just curious. I actually agree with the King James only position but this question was brought up on another board that I frequent.

  3. Go study a bit of history, see what the RCC did to others, dragged them out of their houses and gave them a choice, die or convert, also going thru their houses and churches burring every book and every bit of evidence of religious nature.

    The RCC was built upon man and mans teachings, not Christ, there is no church within the pages of the Bible that describes what is called the RCC. That in itself is enough to show them for exactly what they are, liars and false teachers.

    There is no such thing as a pope taught about in the Bible, but yet they have a pope which they put at the head of their man made church.

    They claim Peter was the 1st pope, but no where in the Bible does it teach that Peter held such an office. Watch the pope when they show him on TV, looking out at all the people who bow donw to him, notice he never responds as Peter did.

    25 And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
    26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
    Acts 10:25-26 (KJV)

    NO, Peter knew well, the only one who deserved such an act of praise and worship was Jesus Christ, but the pope and the RCC cannot understand this nor accept the truth of the matter. Yes, watch the pope closely as he accept such honor, and people worshiping him.

    There is no such thing as Cardinals taught about in the Bible, but yet the RCC has many of them.

    There is no such thing as Mary Queen of heaven in the Bible, but they teach that Mary, Jesus' mother, is queen of heaven.

    They teach Mary was perfect, as was Jesus, the Bible does not teach this.

    They teach you are to pray to Mary, the mother of Jesus, but the Bible teaches there is just one mediator, Jesus.

    They teach that the Bible is not enough, that you have to have the pope and the RCC to have the whole truth, that with the Bible you do not have God's whole truth.

    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    2 Tim 3:16-17 (KJV)

    Only the Bible is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness where the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works, nothing about having to have the pope and the RCC to be be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.


    In other words the Bible itself proves the people of the RCC lie and are false teacher. Its very easy to study out. I helped you on one of them, but they are all very easy to prove.


    I agree that the Catholic Church is a very unBiblical church. They put their man-made traditions on an equal level as the Bible and dare I say they even elevate their traditions above the Bible at some points. What I mean is that if one of their traditions contradicts what is in the Bible, they usually follow their tradition instead. The Catholic Church disgusts me and I pray for the salvation of all of the poor souls captured within it.
  4. If you really want truth about the RCC, do not read anything written by the RCC people, even their early writings. They changed much of their early writing to back up their lies, the RCC is built on lies, nothing about it can be trusted.

    The group who formed what we know as the RCC were driven out of the early church because of they false heretical doctrine and later formed an alliance with Constantine the great about the year 312 AD.


    I believe you but what evidence do we have that the RCC has changed their early writings? :puzzled:
  5. The Bible teaches that the entire Tribulation period - covered in the book of Revelation, Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21 (in part) and other passages - is a time of God's wrath upon the whole earth. The NT church is promised that they will not undergo God's wrath.

    Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

    1 Thessalonians 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

    The context of the following is very clearly referring to the wrath poured out upon earth during the day of the Lord, not God's wrath on the lost sinner in Hell:

    1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

    Isaiah 13:6-13 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty. Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt: And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames. Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. And I will punish the world for their evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; and I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay low the haughtiness of the terrible. I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir. Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.


    AMEN Jerry! Good post! :thumb
  6. What edition of the KJV do you consider to be the inspired and inerrant version? It seems to me if you are using anything other than an original first edition KJV OR a digital facsimile, then you are using something other than the inspired word of God -- in keeping with the KJV only argument that is. For example, there are 80 books in the first edition. How many books are in your version?

    God put a limit on man?s intellect. However, it is abundantly clear that he placed no limit what-so-ever on his stupidity.

    Take a look at this...
    http://greatsite.com/facsimile-reproduc ... -1611.html


    In another thread, a poster asked this question above. What is the answer to it?
  7. I got this here http://www.drdino.com/articles.php?spec=88

    How many chariot horses did Solomon have, 40,000 (I Kings 4:26) or 4,000 (II Chron. 9:25)?

    I Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
    II Chron. 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen;"
    Explanation of supposed contradiction:

    Read the verses carefully and you will see that there is no contradiction. They had chariot teams with ten horses and ten men per chariot in case you got a flat tire! If he had "four thousand stalls for horses and chariots" he would need fourty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots. Many modern versions of the Bible try to "fix" what they thought was a mistake and actually created an error.


    Very interesting! Thank you!
  8. I like to use Gospel tracts when witnessing. You can get some free ones at the following links:

    http://www.pocketpower.org/ Contains free Gospels of John in many different Bible versions so make sure you get the KJV ones. The Gospels of John contain a plan of salvation in the front. Shipping is free if you are disabled or you are a student. Otherwise, they ask for a donation to cover shipping.

    http://www.fellowshiptractleague.org/ Contains many free Gospel tracts and they always use the King James Version. You can order in many languages as well. Shipping is free for everyone.

    http://www.libertygospeltracts.com Contains many free Gospel tracts with full color images. I think you have to fold these yourself while the others come pre-folded. Shipping is free for everyone. They give you a survey before you order as well but all fundamentalist Baptists should be able to fill out this survey to their satisfaction with no problem.

    http://www3.calvarychapel.com/acts/index.htm Contains many free full color Gospel tracts. I am not sure if they use the King James Version or not but I think they do as I saw a Bible verse quoted on their page and it was from the King James Version. Shipping is free for everyone.

    http://agtf.faithweb.com/ This website also provides free Gospel tracts to pastors and recognized missionaries. I do not know if they use the King James Version or not and I do not know if they have free shipping available.

    Also, if you're willing to pay for tracts, you can go to http://www.swordofthelord.com and order Gospel tracts from there. They have them in English, Spanish, and some other languages. They offer 4 English tracts and they are full color. Generally you pay $5 for 100 tracts.

    God bless and happy witnessing!

  9. Hi everyone. I know this isn't really a contradiction but I don't understand it. Could someone please explain this to me?

    1KI 4:26 And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen.

    2CH 9:25 And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen; whom he bestowed in the chariot cities, and with the king at Jerusalem.

    Is it possible that it is talking about two different time periods? :puzzled:


  10. I have a problem with even changing the pronouns and verb forms from the original KJV to modern English in that it strips much of the meaning, since our modern English lacks the clarity of KJV English. It also follows the mode of thinking: "easier is better", when reading the original KJV really isn't that hard, and one has to wonder about the spiritual maturity of someone who refuses to use a more accurate English translation because it's slightly harder to read.


    Exactly! The "thees" and "thous" are there for a reason. They should not be taken out.
  11. These verses explain eternal security quite well:
    (John 10:27-29) - "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: {28} And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. {29} My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand."
    God bless,
    Crushmaster.


    That is one of my favorite scripture passages. :smile
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