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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Alan in Problems with Gospel tracts   
    Different tools and/or approaches affect different people in different ways.
    I know a man who was given a tract on Halloween and stuck it in his coat pocket. A month later (after his daughter died) he found it (while looking for a cigarette). He went to the church named on the tract and two services later got saved. One man, backslidden after a nasty church split, got right after finding a tract in a public restroom. Another man found a tract while cleaning a bathroom, read it and got saved. For my f-i-l it took a personal letter from a co-worker, pieces of witness from my wife and I, and the witness of a two former Marines ---- over the course of 34 years. My wife grew up knowing Jesus died, was buried and rose again for redemption from sin, but never knew she could be reconciled with God NOW (she was raised RC). There are some places where it is considered extremely rude (to the point of being offensive) to begin a conversation with a stranger on the street, places where door knocking is impractical to impossible, places where a mailing ministry is impossible (there are neither building numbers nor mail service in all of Nicaragua, there's only 15 named roads in the whole country). Some people need to handled roughly and some gently.
    I could go on, but, we need discernment more than methods.
     
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Jim_Alaska in Having a Baby in the End Times   
    Due to equipment limitations, we're a little beyond that decision. 😁
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    OLD fashioned preacher reacted to Alan in Trump is single handily destroying the republican Party   
    Is it possible to refrain from using such terminology on a Christian forum?
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Alan in Having a Baby in the End Times   
    Due to equipment limitations, we're a little beyond that decision. 😁
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from PastorMatt in Having a Baby in the End Times   
    Due to equipment limitations, we're a little beyond that decision. 😁
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Jim_Alaska in How to Be the Church When We Can’t Meet at Church   
    I hope DeBlassio and the State of New York gets hit with 20-40 law suits PLUS a class action suit with at least 200 named complaintants.
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Alan in How to Be the Church When We Can’t Meet at Church   
    South Carolina has stated no groups over 3 people, Alaska has said no gatherings in any locations (including the woods) for religious activities, Bill DeBlassio (NY) has said the police will stop services in churches and synagogues and has threatened to close offending places PERMANENTLY (even after COVID elimination). DeBlassio is also using police to enforce distances between people in public (he didn't say if that included couples or parent/child combos walking together). Kansas declared church and religious services as essential business just as grocery stores, and Georgia declared alcohol dealers as non-essential (unlike most states).
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from HappyChristian in Coronavirus - Is your church taking any measures?   
    That can get you labeled Anti-government, anti-public safety, paranoid, extremist, cultist, anti- Rom 13, rebel, etc.
    btw - not only do I understand that none of the above would be an accurate assessment——-my wife and I also agree with you!!!!!!!!
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Jim_Alaska in Coronavirus - Is your church taking any measures?   
    That can get you labeled Anti-government, anti-public safety, paranoid, extremist, cultist, anti- Rom 13, rebel, etc.
    btw - not only do I understand that none of the above would be an accurate assessment——-my wife and I also agree with you!!!!!!!!
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    OLD fashioned preacher reacted to Salyan in Coronavirus - Is your church taking any measures?   
    I'm beyond caring about government mandated closures - I am increasingly thinking we should close (or meet outside - like Russian believers under Communism) for each other's safety. Actually - churches did that during the Spanish Influenza when they chose to shut the building doors!
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    OLD fashioned preacher reacted to Salyan in Further Warning About Grace Baptist-Way of Life   
    As far as I know, David Cloud is not on this site. You'll have to ask him yourself. /tongue-in-cheek
    Seriously, DaveW, let's give it a break on the whole defending-David-Cloud bit. No one's out to attack him. The church and the subject were brought up by another member; UkeMike is just continuing the discussion on tribulational doctrine in the churches. Can we focus on that, please? 
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    OLD fashioned preacher reacted to weary warrior in Further Warning About Grace Baptist-Way of Life   
    What I dont understand is the treating of the issue as heresy. Yes, I believe that the post-trib rapture view is incorrect, but does every difference of opinion over doctrine have to be treated as actual heresy? When we do this, it weakens the charge against actual, serious heresy, like denying the divinity of Christ, the resurection or or the second coming. No one is denying anythig, just disagreeing on the timing of it all.
    Is wisdom not, in part, learning to pick our battles?
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    OLD fashioned preacher reacted to weary warrior in They Dont Know   
    I think there are things that most church members just dont really know or understand about pastoring and preaching. And we ourselves often cant clarify it for them.
    For instance, I am completely exhausted after preaching. Body, soul and spirit, I am completely pored out. I am not a screamer or a "windsucker" kind of preacher, but I am passionate, focused and "all in" when I preach. I usually feel like I just finished digging ditches for 8 hours, except digging ditches doesnt drain me spiritualy and emotionally. Add to that 1 1/2 hours of picking up kids before church from the surrounding farm communities, rushing in at the last minute to lead the singing, preaching, then fellowshiping and looking out for visitors during the meal after the service, and then the 1 1/2 hours taking kids home, I'm whipped. 
    I know sometimes I probably seem a bit unsociable or remote after about 3:00pm on Sunday. But I can only hope people understand. Im never unkind or discourteous, just...wore out. I dont think thats something we can define for those who havent experienced it.
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Musician4God1611 in How taxes work - 10 Men Go To Dinner.   
    I may have posted this in the past - but due to the number of people willing to consider socialism:
    How taxes work - 10 Men Go To Dinner.

    Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner and the bill for all comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

    10 MEN GO TO DINNER.

    The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing like they do now with the present income tax structure.

    The fifth would pay $1.

    The sixth would pay $3.

    The seventh would pay $7.

    The eighth would pay $12.

    The ninth would pay $18.

    The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59 of the bill.

    So that is what the ten men decide to do.

    The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. "Since you all are such good customers I am going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20". Dinner for the 10 men now costs just $80...

    The group still wanted to pay the bill the same way that they paid their taxes so the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six men -- the Paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everybody would get his "Fair Share"?

    They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, then the fifth and sixth man would each end up being paid to eat their meal...

    So, the restaurant owner suggested it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill roughly the same amount; and proceeded to work out the amounts each man would pay.

    The fifth, like the first four now paid nothing (100% savings).

    The sixth man now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings)

    The seventh man now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings)

    The eight man now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings)

    The ninth man now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings)

    The tenth man now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings)

    Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free. But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings...

    "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man "but he got $10"...

    "Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man. "I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than me!?"

    "That's true", shouted the seventh man. "Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

    "Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison. "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"

    The nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up...

    The next night the Tenth man did not show up for dinner, so the Nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn't have enough money between all of them for even half the bill!

    And that Boys & Girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just might not show up anymore. In fact, they might start eating overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier?


     

     
    With the above scenario, determined to still go out it would have to be adjusted similar to this:
      Determined not to do without their freebies and causing the other 5 to feel guilty for entertaining the idea that life is not free the 4 still pay $0 for a $10 meal.

    #5 pays $2.44 instead of $1
    $6 pays $7.31 instead of $3
    #7 pays $17.07 instead of $7
    #8 pays $29.27 instead of $12
    $9 pays $43.91 instead of $18

    Total $100 just as before -- but wait!
    #10 left, he didn't consume a $10 meal, we have extra money -- should we divide it amongst those who paid extra for their meal?

    No, that is just greed on the part of the 5, give each of the 4 who got free meals $2.50 each and don't make them buss tables and earn it -- now THAT'S fair!

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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Alan in These Foods Do NOT Belong Together   
    NO NO NO -- when things need to be done, the energy is to be MUSTARD that no KETCHUP be required..
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from HappyChristian in These Foods Do NOT Belong Together   
    NO NO NO -- when things need to be done, the energy is to be MUSTARD that no KETCHUP be required..
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in These Foods Do NOT Belong Together   
    NO NO NO -- when things need to be done, the energy is to be MUSTARD that no KETCHUP be required..
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Alan in Major changes   
    The current pastor has been here 15 yrs, he was on another res for 23 yrs prior. About 30 yrs ago he spent 1 yr as the res museum's alligator wrestler. The current main alligator wrestler has attended the church a few times. This Sunday morning he and the Seminole Princess and Jr. Princess are supposed to be in the service when I preach. Please pray, I'm sure they've heard the gospel from Bro. Payne, but Billy (the gator wrestler) is still trying to hold Seminole spirit traditions and play around the edge of Biblical Christianity.
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from HappyChristian in These Foods Do NOT Belong Together   
    My wife, upon hearing all this, said, "Hast thou considered that thou mayest just be a picky old man?"
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Jim_Alaska in These Foods Do NOT Belong Together   
    My wife, upon hearing all this, said, "Hast thou considered that thou mayest just be a picky old man?"
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in These Foods Do NOT Belong Together   
    My wife, upon hearing all this, said, "Hast thou considered that thou mayest just be a picky old man?"
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in These Foods Do NOT Belong Together   
    Mustard? YES - yellow, not brown. Mayo? NO. Ketchup? DOUBLE NO!! And whose depraved mind decided to put whipped cream on top of a milkshake???? Scapping it off still leaves a contaminated shake. I also despise letting my ice cream get soft.
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Jim_Alaska in These Foods Do NOT Belong Together   
    One of my brothers used to make a sandwich with pickle, peanut butter, banana and ketchup. Our dog even turned his nose up at those sandwiches.
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from Jim_Alaska in Major changes   
    The current pastor has been here 15 yrs, he was on another res for 23 yrs prior. About 30 yrs ago he spent 1 yr as the res museum's alligator wrestler. The current main alligator wrestler has attended the church a few times. This Sunday morning he and the Seminole Princess and Jr. Princess are supposed to be in the service when I preach. Please pray, I'm sure they've heard the gospel from Bro. Payne, but Billy (the gator wrestler) is still trying to hold Seminole spirit traditions and play around the edge of Biblical Christianity.
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    OLD fashioned preacher got a reaction from HappyChristian in Major changes   
    ¡Que interesante! (How interesting!). I assume that the majority of folks here have already learned that the Lord directs and coordinates things without consulting us and sometimes without showing us where it "makes sense". Our job is not to be able to explain or understand "why", but rather to determine that it is indeed Him and be obedient (and without griping, murmuring, disputing - ie. be content and trust Him. Therein lies our greatest failure.)
    Anyway, I had the "Holiday Season" approaching, one son and his family were in the lower 48 having a youngun' and we saw them in the Chattanooga, TN area. We were leaving the motorhome in W. Memphis, AR for a month and driving the van to Dodge City, KS to spend a month with 2 of the boys and their families at Thanksgiving while another grandchild was born. My plan was to try for meetings in MS, AL, NW FL, Central FL, S FL as I sought to get to the Miami area where I knew I a definite meeting in Jan. Alas, one meeting in Tallahassee in Jan (500 miles from Miami) and 3 brethren want me in the churches in TN in Feb (875 miles from Miami).
    I picked up ONE other Miami area meeting but the pastor was going on vacation and wanted me to fill in the Wed before the meeting (Sun AM). It's an hour and a half from Miami. I developed vehicle problems with the motorhome and couldn't try to book any definite dates due to not knowing when I can be where. I couldn't get peace about cancelling any of the meetings. Not the way I want to spend money (at 5 miles per gallon fuel consumption).
    Fast forward: I'm in the middle of the largest Seminole reservation in Florida (Big Cypress) an hour from anything. The Hispanic church we had a meeting at gave us a huge love offering - it covered the expenses of traveling here and up to TN!! The pastor of the church here on the Res is the one I'm filling in for. We found out that this was not "merely" a vacation, 3 months ago they unexpectedly lost their 38 year old son and haven't had any chance to get away, slow down, or grieve. I'm SOOOO glad I didn't cancel for my inconvenience or personal concerns!
    The Seminole Indians only became a recognized tribe in the 1957, they were a loose band of Indians from several tribes (mostly Creek) who were hiding from US soldiers and living in the swamps and their descendants. This reservation is in the Everglades. They have a Chairman who may or may not choose to use the term "Chief" - some have , some have not. Their first chairman was a saved man who was also an Independent Baptist preacher! He started this church (Big Cypress New Testament Baptist Church). The large Bible on the communion table was presented to him in 1973 and cost $39.95
     
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