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  1. On 9/22/2018 at 10:17 PM, Salyan said:

    We have the King James Bible section... seems to me that discussions about the Bible, including problems caused by alternate versions, would fit well under that section.

    I agree with this. ⬆️

  2. There is a wealth of Scripture showing that a Christian is to be of a lucid mind that they might think soberly and with the ability to properly discern right and wrong. Even if marijuana is not addictive, and all the other pro-pot arguments, you can not be buzzed and fit the Biblical admonishments to be diligent etc. Therefore it is absolutely OFF LIMITS for a child of God!

    Side note: a guy recently told the Kentucky legislature that he knows that pot is not addictive, he says he knows because, said he, "I've been smoking it for 30 years!"

  3. On 9/4/2018 at 8:50 PM, Jordan Kurecki said:

    Reminds me of one time when I heard a preacher say he believed something along the lines of his church was the strongest and best church in America...I couldn't imagine how anyone with a sense of humility could make such a statement. 

     

    It is possible for a member to think they have the best and strongest church in existence and not think that it's because of their presence in it. Ditto for a pastor. If "Pastor A" and "Pastor B" were both equally able in teaching but Pastor A's church search the Scriptures themselves and are doers and not merely hearers. Pastor B has a church that simply absorbs and parrots what they like of the Scripture. Pastor A has a reason for believing his church is spiritually advanced without it taking a level of boasting in his "ability".

  4. I'm familiar with the "recognizing the years of ministry and amount of effort in obtaining the degree" rationale behind "Dr Such an one.... "as an introduction or form of address.

    I have preached with a few WELL known preachers (some are in glory, some are still here). Not said as a "Well ... check me out" but as a background to my next statement. I referred to them (whether in their presence, away from their presence or to their face) as Brother __________ . I have "been corrected" with, DR __________ . I must confess, however, that it was never by the "Esteemed Dr".

    All young preachers that I have had a part in training have all been taught the following by me. "Whatever diplomas or degrees you obtain have a place ----- in the same place you keep your important papers (birth certificate, DD - 214, passport, etc.) NOT framed and on display". The apostle Paul had AT LEAST equivalent to a Ph.D. if not a D.D and Th.D in addition. The title brother was sufficient for him so dare we think that it is not an adequate title for us???????

    When dealing on the subjects of King James defense, Biblical Archaeology, or the refutation of Evolution then I can see placing your highest degree on your book to lend validity to your text. Highest degree, not the educational prerequisites to that degree! I hate seeing Dr Doodlebug B.A., M.A., D.D.  or worse A.A., ThG., B.A., B.R.Ed, M.R.Ed, M. Div., D.D., D.Min (a bit of hyperbole but I have seen some that came close). But in referring to the man outside of his authorship of that given book? Spare us.

    Heads up --- NO, I WILL NOT be baited into stating my education.

     

  5. 7 hours ago, Brother Stafford said:

    This one looks fairly promising.  I'll look into that one.  Thank you for the suggestion.  Out of curiosity, how did you hear about H.O.P.E.?

    The founder's dad started the church I pastored in KS. We ran a chapter there for 10 years

  6. H.O.P.E. (Helping Others Put Off Entanglements) is another. It was developed by Rick Carter, Jr. when he pastored in OR. It is now home based at Beth Haven Baptist in OKC, OK.

  7. 1 minute ago, Davidjayjordan said:

    Whewee, Salvan just gave me a WARNING for apparently using a swear word.. as in kceh. But golly wiz I dont remember using that word.... Yikes if that is acceptable wording.. How do I find out where I was supposedly saying it or posting those four letter word.

     

    Just as a clarification

     

     

    I didn't ask Salyan which word she warned you about, however, I have noticed at least two euphemistic terms which in both cases had the same beginning letter (at a minimum) and same number of letters as the fairly universally used profanity people use in replacement. I can't help but wonder how supposedly mature Christian are unable to express themselves without alluding to profanity.

  8. 2 hours ago, Davidjayjordan said:

    Yea, you dont want me to post a new thread where I just post the WORD OF GOD.. Revelation 11

    Can I post Revelation 11, the exact WORD OF GOD, whether in any translation available even though the KJV is the best.

     

    IHS

     

    David

     

     

    10 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

     Halleluia, you all are very confusing, so you are saying I can post Revelations 11 as a new thread..

    I think No Nicol, said I couldnt, so I shall give you ten minutes to change your mind and then shall post the WORD OF GOD, as you inferred I could.

     

    Thanks 10-8-9-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1-

    Note --you claimed you were not allowed to "just post the WORD OF GOD" to which I said ain't so.

    You didn't ask if you could start a thread with your comments on how they may or may not be viewed.

    And I think you already know it MUST be KJV

  9. Yes, 66. I was doing three things at once and got sidetracked on Apocrypha (which sometimes gets intermingled within O.T.vs Scripture only and inadvertently excluded N.T. books in my given number. You still haven't given a reference to " Dance Dance, I am the Lord of the Dance said HE " which you stated in such a way as to appear to be quote of the Lord since you said " No , just straight WORD OF GOD verses "

  10. 38 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

     

    No , just straight WORD OF GOD verses for you and others to ponder and pray about ?

    Dance dance, I am the Lord of the Dance said He (and thats not me, thats JESUS, our Creator and personal Saviour for all the people of the world as He created all, Baptist and other wise)

    Are we allowed to post the WORD OF GOD...... can I proceed.. ?

    NN asked if it was Apocrypha, you said "No , just straight WORD OF GOD verses". So, you said it is not Apocrypha which leaves 39 books. With that in mind:" Dance dance, I am the Lord of the Dance said He (and thats not me, thats JESUS" give us chapter and verse where the LORD said "Dance dance, I am the Lord of the Dance". Remember, you stated it wasn't from the Apocrypha or other non-Canonical sources.

  11. 1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

    Yea, you dont want me to post a new thread where I just post the WORD OF GOD..

     

    Yeehaw. Care to show where I stated such I thing? Hint -- I DIDN'T!

    As I stated before -- NN QUOTED (via "quote" feature when posting) where YOU made the following statement in response to Mat 24:36  But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. "So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation". It was your statement ( So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation" ) that prompted NN to SARCASTICALLY ask if you (personally) felt that you (personally) could trust Rev 11 since YOU said (in reference to Mt24) "So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation" .

    Okay, you don't like the way you've been handled? Appeal. To whom? We have two admins. First - JimAlaska. Don't like the previous interaction with him? Go to the Big Dog, the owner of the site, Bro. Matt. If you find yourself banned (don't try to say you will be banned, I said IF it happens) you need to cry to Bro. Matt anyway, not one of us.

    Incidentally, where were you told you couldn't "just post the WORD OF GOD"? The member with the screen name Omega has been doing that for a LOOONG time.

     

  12. "So don't be fooled by this contrary verse or mistranslation"

    This statement was made by Davidjayjordan in response to NN's posting Scripture from the words of our Lord Jesus Christ!!!! If I have overlooked the original post by DJJ, someone please correct and direct me. However, it appears to have been edited out. Fortunately, NN  used the quote feature thereby preserving the evidence for posterity and verification. IF, and I do say if, it has indeed been removed by the poster then it shows a willingness to be dishonest in order to disparage NN's stance of the accuracy of Scripture.

    I realize that typos, letter order reversals, and quick self-proofreading is not indicative of poor grammar and spelling. It is rather disturbing, however, that someone who has 4 years of college would repeatedly eliminate apostrophes, fail to capitalize proper nouns, and have sentences that are as difficult to read as an individual who is struggling to express themselves in a non-native tongue. Another thing that makes the linguistic stumbling seem misaligned with the biographical claims is my impression that Commonwealth natives (and with one elderly Britisher, one young Canadian, and one middle aged [I think] Australian here, they can correct me if I have a mistaken impression) are rather persnickety about their language.

    A man (Will Rogers) once said, "If you find yourself in a hole, QUIT DIGGING" or you can alter an old phrase to read "Stop now, while you are behind".

    I was on the verge of locking this thread (and possibly others) .

    DANGER -- thin ice!

  13. From the OB profile of Davidjayjordan, filled out by Davidjayjordan (emphasis added by me):

    So, Baptist or not? According to words written by Davidjayjordan (in the course of less than 10 days) No, Yes, No, Yes

    Wow, and I thought I was like a termite in a yo-yo. Can we go on the roller coaster again Ma?

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  14. 4 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

    Wow, spouting off was rather aggressive when all I said was evolutionists seldom if ever answer questions. """Yea tis true as evolutionists almost always run when faced with any kind of scientific opposition...or any questions."""

    Lets encourage them to answer questions, there must be an evolutionist somewhere HEREIN that wants to scientifically defend evolution. For lets be objective rather than subjective.

     

    Aggressive? Yes, I admit it was but you had quoted my post in which I made it clear that it was not the stance of the poster (John 81). This was the context in which you accused an evolutionist of fleeing.

    As I stated before, IF there is an evolutionist here it will probably be a lurking visitor who may or may not come out of the shadows.

  15. 10 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

     

     

    Yea tis true as evolutionists almost always run when faced with any kind of scientific opposition...or any questions.

    Repeat ---- John was not an evolutionist (secular nor theistic) nor a day/age theorist. He was a member (and prolific poster) for MANY years here. He left and was not run off. Is he still alive? Not really sure. Is he missed here, yes.

    It behooves an individual to not spout off with limited knowledge (at 70 I would assume that life has taught this. As an individual who professes around 58 years with the Lord, I would think Scripture has taught this)

  16. 3 hours ago, OLD fashioned preacher said:

    Look, you stated EXACT day /month / year calendar dates. There were math calculation inconsistencies. You didn't ask for theological critique but rather mathematical objections. Now you introduce the idea of numerical (date) ranges after stating emphatic, specific dates. You have not answered the inconsistencies pointed out while seeking to be SPECIFIC and DEFINITIVE in the mathematical projections. I'm done here unless a specific "beginning reference point" and subsequent mathematical functions line up (mathematically) with the concluded dates. You still have a ONE YEAR discrepancy, not the day or two you stated in the last post.

     

    24 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

    Easy old fashioned preacher.... settle those horses down....

    For the third time, I repeat thyere was no year called either 0 B.C. or O A.D  Look again at what I said (see in quote above). Did I say anything about BC or AD? Nope, although you do when you use the dates 4004BC and 1997AD and 2018AD. What I said is what I'm placing after your next sentence.

    The Creation line from the easy to add up date of 4404 BC is accurate, unless you have a different one, and if you add 6000 years because of the exact time frame consistency of 1,000 year divisions, then Yes, it ends in 1997 as mentioned...add 21 years for Jacobs Trouble and you get 2018. Numbers only, simple basic 3rd or 4th grade subtraction. 6000 - 4004 = 1996    NOT 1997. Let's check our work: 1997 + 4004 = 6001 whereas 1996 +4004 = 6000    1996 is the proper difference when the minuend is 6000 and the subtrahend is 4004.   So 6000 - 4004 + 21 = 2017 NOT 2018. Your 1st equation is in error.

    Rosh Hannah, of the Lords calendar system is called and deemed the Head of the Year, so that also is a reasonable ending... and new start point for the Last SEVEN YEARS of the Lords Prophet Daniel, who the Lord said was His PROPHET, when Jesus referred to the Abomination of Desolation being set up in the Holy Place (of the 3rd Temple).

    As for days counting, that is slightly dependant on whether the start time is evening as with the Hebrew Calendar or midnight.

    But Im more than happy being one day plus or minus one day at this stage, unless you have a better more precise timeline. A day???????? Your key equation is off by AN ENTIRE YEAR.

    After the Covenant is signed, I promise to get back to you, unless you deny the Covenant signing and Daniel 9. No problem, Ive been around for a while...and Im in it for the long term, as prophecy understanding is a much needed asset and discernment for us in the End Time. You've yet to address the very issue I brought out (at your request) -- poor MATH!!

    This (above) is why I said that until the math is correct, I'm done.

  17. On 2/20/2009 at 5:24 PM, John81 said:

    HOW OLD IS THE EARTH?



    By Bill Sizemore

    February 20, 2009
    NewsWithViews.com

    .................................................................................................. (edited due to length)

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Bill/sizemore166.htm

     

    On 2/20/2009 at 6:08 PM, John81 said:

    I am posting this because the author takes a bit of a different tact than most. It would be interesting to see how some might corborate or refute some of his ideas.

    1: John 81 hasn't been on here in quite some time

    2: He pasted in a "News With Views" article by a Berry, not by John.

    3:  He never stated he agreed (see post # 2 & 3)

  18. Look, you stated EXACT day /month / year calendar dates. There were math calculation inconsistencies. You didn't ask for theological critique but rather mathematical objections. Now you introduce the idea of numerical (date) ranges after stating emphatic, specific dates. You have not answered the inconsistencies pointed out while seeking to be SPECIFIC and DEFINITIVE in the mathematical projections. I'm done here unless a specific "beginning reference point" and subsequent mathematical functions line up (mathematically) with the concluded dates. You still have a ONE YEAR discrepancy, not the day or two you stated in the last post.

  19. 37 minutes ago, Davidjayjordan said:

    As mentioned Preacher, there is no 0 AD or 0 BC, therefore you cant simply take the confirmed time length of 6000 years of world history from Creation

    or the six confirmed 1000 year confirmations straight through the change-over from BC to AD...

    Therefore 4004 BC til 1997 AD does compute... and yield 6000 years

    But at least you are trying mathematically to disprove the basic timeline, Preacher. I dont think we need RED LETTERS though.

     

    See below for the 1,000 year confirmations, as the Millinium is also a thousand years. The Lord is very repetitive in His design so that time frames are repeated over and over again, as a template

     

    4004 B.C.   I thought you said using an AD/BC pivot was invalid (see line 1 in this quote)
    This date is easily confirmed by using the Bible genealogies in Genesis, the First Book of the Bible. For according to the number
    of years from a birth of one of our forefathers to the birth of the next generation son  until, a known and recognized date is found
    like the years of King David, then this summation gives us the number of years backwards to the Days of Creation.. SEE

    Forefathers Timeline Graphics

    2004 B.C. Again 6000 - 4004 = 1996 (That sir is math, no BC/AD, just numbers and mathematical function) NOT 1997
    In Genesis 12: 4, it states that Abarham was 75 years old when he obeyed the Lord and left Haran by FAITH, this according to
    the numbers being in 1921 B.C.. (SEE Side dating in most KJV Bibles) This meaning he was born in around 1997 B.C. which
    correlates amazingly to the End of 6,000 Years in 1997 A.D. And hence 2004 B.C. was during the time frame of Terah and was
    SEVEN Years previous to the birth of Abraham and His
    Step of FAITH

    1004 B.C. Excuse me, math is PRECISE, not merely (close enough for government work, after all "you can't see it from a trotting horse")
    According to I Kings 8, Solomon moved the Ark of the Covenant into the city of David (Jerusalem) in 1005 B.C. And so let's
    consider this closeness to 1004 B.C. as a co-relation.

    4 B.C.
    There are varying dates for the Lord's Birth Year, but because of the divisions of time and His exactness, let's use 4 B.C. as the
    date of His birth, because of the way, this number fits so perfectly in with prophecy. (SEE
    Great Pyramid Prophecy). This
    making his death in 30. A.D.

    1997 A.D.
    IF (see 1st word in your sentence below) . Now if your "if" is the first part of "if / then" statement then it possible (in limited precise paramenters) to have an "if" in your equation. Such as: distance from point A to point B  "IF bridge is above water, THEN distance is X -- IF bridge is flooded THEN distance is Y. However, when your first known factor is "If 4004 B.C. was ...." then you have created an inability to nail a solid date mathematically, only an estimate.
    If 4004 B.C. was the date of Creation, then exactly 6000 years later would make the Year 1997 A.D. for the End of Man's Rule,
    and so the Lord's rule would have to start with the Lord's
    Two End Time Prophets, search for the Lord's Bride in the 'Additional
    21 Years
    ' of Service required to obtain these 144,000 Virgin Brides. This ending in 2017, when all of the Lord's Brides shall be
    sealed at the start of the Great Tribulation. (SEE
    Prophecy Timelines)





     

    My use of different color font, different size font, italicizing, etc is for emphasis!

    Please see comments within the above quote (there it is used to distinguish your words from mine).

    You asked for the math to be examined, that's what I have done (from a mathematical standpoint).

  20. 1 hour ago, Davidjayjordan said:

    Preacher, I cant follow what you are saying.....

    Okay, all sarcasm aside.

    Mathematically, you must have TWO known values to find an unknown one. You did not state the method by which you determined the date of 2018 A.D.

    Did you use (in the calculation alluded to above) for your calendar benchmark (in order to maintain consistency) 2018 years from 0 BC / 0 AD? Did you use the Julian and/or Gregorian referencing for your BC/AD pivot point? If so, how did you handle the "Jesus born 4BC or 5 BC" dispute? Did you use this year (2018 AD) plus Ussher's chronology of a 4004 BC creation (6022 years)? Did you use the Hebrew calendar, placing us at the year 5778? Did you use the Chinese calendar, placing us at 4715 --------  oh, strike the Chinese one, I said I'd refrain from sarcasm.

    So, how did you determine the 2018 date and WHAT DATE did you start with? What calendar(s) did you use? Did you use both a lunar and solar year? If so, how did you handle the other 5 (or did you figure 5.25) days / year?

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