DaveW reacted to HappyChristian in Our Church...
Our church was very small to begin with, but over the last year it has shrunk (due to gossip and folks not liking what the Bible says about their sin...). We are an older church, meaning that most of us are close to 60 or older. And so the various health issues of aging affect us. Other issues do as well.
One of our ladies just underwent back surgery. She will be in the hospital for 5-7 days, and then who knows how long to recover, with another surgery in 4-6 weeks. Her blood pressure is too low right now, so she is in ICU. Her name is Linda.
Linda's husband, Jim, just found out that part of one of his lungs has collapsed, and there is a mass.
Another lady, Pat, has congestive heart disease and is really struggling with water buildup.
I would appreciate prayer for these 3 folks, but also for the entire church. With my husband's injury, he is not able to get out knocking on doors, so we are not making contacts. Would appreciate prayer that God will grow our church, both spiritually and physically.
DaveW reacted to No Nicolaitans in Disease in the camp
I believe it was a plague...that's it. I don't mean to sound like a smarty-pants...I simply believe it was a plague.
All of the 10 plagues sent on Egypt don't fall under the disease/pestilence categories (unless I misunderstand the meaning of pestilence), and unless I misunderstand the final plague, it brought death without disease.
DaveW reacted to Pastor Scott Markle in Disease in the camp
Hmmmm. Brother Young, I am compelled to disagree with your understanding of Numbers 31:16-24 and with your understanding of Joshua 22:16-19.
Concerning Numbers 31:16-24:
1. In verse 16 Moses did indicate that the women of Midian, "through the counsel of Balaam," had caused the children of Israel "to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor."
2. In verse 16 Moses did indicate that this trespass against LORD resulted in "a plague among the congregation of the LORD." (By the way, neither Numbers 25 nor Numbers 31 say anything about a plague being anywhere other than "among the congregation" of Israel.)
3. In verses 17-18 Moses did instruct the soldiers to kill all of the male children and all of the non-virgin females of Midian. (Note: They had ALREADY killed all of the adult males of Midian when they conquered them.) On the other hand, he instructed them to keep alive all of the virgin females of Midian. Yet Moses said not a single word about this being in order to deal with some plague/disease that might have existed among the Midianites. (Indeed, IF this was in order to deal with some plague of STD, why were the MALE children killed, while keeping alive the FEMALE virgins?)
4. In verse 19 Moses did instruct the soldiers and their spoils (including the female virgins of Midian) to remain "without the camp seven days," but he did not say a single word about this being to protect the congregation of Israel from some plague.
5. In verse 19 Moses did instruct the soldiers to "purify" all of their captive Midianites and any soldier that had killed someone or that had touched a dead body. Yet this did NOT require a purifying of those who might only have touched a LIVING Midianite. (Note: IF a plague of STD was the problem, then touching ANY Midianite, living or dead, should have been a problem for possibly passing that plague along.)
6. In verse 20 Moses did instruct the soldiers to "purify" all of their raiment, all that was made of animal skins, all that was made with goats' hair, and all that was made with wood; but he did not say a single word about this being to deal with any plague contagion.
7. In verses 21-24 Eleazar instructed the soldiers concerning the burning of that which would burn and the cleansing by water of all else, including their clothing on the seventh day; but he did not say a single word about this being to deal with any plague contagion.
8. In fact, there is NOT a single word about plague anywhere throughout verses 17-24. The ONLY mention of plague in this entire context is in verse 16; and that mention grammatically places that plague in the PAST TENSE ("And there WAS a plague among the congregation of the LORD"). Furthermore, that mention of plague in verse 16 ONLY speaks about a plague that was past tense "AMONG THE CONGREGATION" of Israel (not among the Midianite peoples or nation).
9. Thus any insertion of plague among the Midianites is CONJECTURE, and any insertion of dealing with plague through the cleansings of verses 17-24 is CONJECTURE. It is going BEYOND the revelation of Scripture.
Concerning Joshua 22:16-19:
1. In Joshua 22:1-9 the Reubenites, the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh have completed their obligation to help the other tribes of Israel to conquer the land of Canaan, and are thus permitted to return unto their designated land on the east side of Jordan as promised by the Lord through Moses in Numbers 32:16-33. There is NO indication throughout Joshua 22:1-9 that there is anything wrong, defiled, unclean, or plagued about this land. In fact, in verse 4 that land is described as the land of their possession, which Moses the servant of the LORD had given them on the other side Jordan; and in verse 9 that land is described as "the land of their possession, whereof they were possessed, according to the word of the LORD by the hand of Moses." Furthermore, there is NO indication throughout Joshua 22:1-9 that after they returned unto this land of their possession, they would be required to engage in ANY manner of purifying for the land. (Note: IF this land was defiled, unclean, or plagued, then their women and children had spent the entirety of the time that they had been helping the other tribes of Israel in such a plague infested land, as per Numbers 32:16-27.)
2. In Joshua 22:10 the problem is raised in that the Reubenites, the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh built an alter by Jordan, "a great altar to see to." In fact, throughout verses 11-16 the ALTAR is the problem -- "And the children of Israel heard say, Behold, the children of Reuben and the children of Gad and the half tribe of Manasseh have built an altar over against the land of Canaan, in the borders of Jordan, at the passage of the children of Israel. And when the children of Israel heard of it, the whole congregation of the children of Israel gathered themselves together at Shiloh, to go up to war against them. And the children of Israel sent unto the children of Reuben, and to the children of Gad, and to the half tribe of Manasseh, into the land of Gilead, Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, and with him ten princes, of each chief house a prince throughout all the tribes of Israel; and each one was an head of the house of their fathers among the thousands of Israel. And they came unto the children of Reuben, and to the children of Gad, and to the half tribe of Manasseh, unto the land of Gilead, and they spake with them, saying, Thus saith the whole congregation of the LORD, What trespass is this that ye have committed against the God of Israel, to turn away this day from following the LORD, in that ye have builded you an altar, that ye might rebel this day against the LORD?" Indeed, the rest of Israel initially viewed the building of this ALTAR as a trespass committed against the God of Israel, as a turning away from the Lord, and as a rebellion against the LORD.
3. In Joshua 22:17-18 the rest of the children of Israel challenge the Reubenites, the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh with the following question -- "Is the iniquity of Peor too little for us, from which we are not cleansed until this day, although there was a plague in the congregation of the LORD, but that ye must turn away this day from following the LORD?" With this question they do NOT ask whether they were not cleansed from the plague of Peor. Rather, they ask whether they were not cleansed from the INIQUITY of Peor. Furthermore, with this question they reference the plague as being PAST TENSE; and they ONLY reference the plague as being "in the congregation of the LORD," NOT as being in any body of land. Finally, with this question they indicate their concern, NOT that some plague might continue to infest, but that the INIQUITY of turning away "from following the LORD" might continue.
4. In the closing portion of Joshua 22:18 and in verse 20, the rest of the children of Israel express their concern that a trespass by the Reubenites, the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh might cause the Lord God to "be wroth with the WHOLE congregation of Israel," even as in the case of Achan.
5. In Joshua 22:19 the rest of the children of Israel offer the Reubenites, the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh that IF they had found their land to be unclean, they could always move to the western side of Jordan with the rest of the children of Israel.
6. In Joshua 22:20-29 the Reubenites, the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh explain their decision to build the alter, NOT AT ALL as a rebellion against the Lord, NOT AT ALL as an altar for sacrifices, and NOT AT ALL as a replacement for the alter of the Lord in tabernacle, but ONLY as a memorial of witness between them and the rest of the children of Israel that ALL were a part of the same people and the same covenant.
7. In Joshua 22:30-34 the rest of the children of Israel express approval for this altar as a memorial of witness, and thus return unto the land of Canaan with NO FURTHER CONCERNS. Indeed, the chapter ends positively with NO concern about any unclean, plague infested land, and with NO purifying activity of any kind. (Note: IF, as you say, the land was still infested with plague, then I would expect something to have been done about that, or at least some concern about it.) Remember, in Joshua 22:19 the rest of the children of Israel had offered that IF the Reubenites, the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh had found their land to be unclean, they could always move to the western side of Jordan with the rest of the children of Israel. Since this chapter concludes positively with NO move by them from their land, it would appear that they were NOT AT ALL concerned that the land was at all unclean.
DaveW got a reaction from Jim_Alaska in Steven Anderson
Have you been directly involved with Steven Anderson?
We had a young man who went to the US for the specific reason of joining himself to the ministry "because no one else cares about serving the Lord like they do". (This young man left a great, God serving, soulwinning church by the way. He came back to Australia and came to our church for some months before moving to NSW.)
He was with Steven Anderson for 18 months before he left. They ABSOLUTELY 100% do teach them to door to door soulwinning by the 123 method - this is first hand from one who was taught, trained, and participated in their soulwinning program. They can say they don't but this is first hand info brother. They also don't really follow up on them after telling them they should be in church on Sunday.
By the way this fits perfectly with their claim to have seen many many thousands saved and yet they have a church which varies between as low as 60 and as high as a couple of hundred. In the 18 months this young man was there they were up and down in numbers like a toy. Partly because Anderson kicks out anyone who challenges him in any way.
Again, this is first hand account, not hearsay.
And they openly state that homosexuals can't get saved. They may "accidentally witness to mor e homosexuals", but what does that matter, for they are taught that these people are beyond redemption. This is public information.
And Anderson and his followers falsely accuse good, hardworking Pastors. I know of a guy in Qjeensland! QUEENSLAND! Half a world away, who was subjected to Anderson attacks.
My goodness, this guy is a false teacher, an Israel hater, an attacker of the brethren, and poor testimony of Christ, a user of crass and sometimes foul language, and one who is leading many on a path of at least bad testimony if not false salvation.
One day I might even express my real feelings on the matter....
DaveW got a reaction from busdrvrlinda54 in Disease in the camp
This is very close to accusing Salyan of being one of these liberals, which she absolutely is not. Furthermore, since there is no direct Biblical reference to STD's in the passages you present, it is not Salyan reading into the passages but you!
I am not a mod, but I would suggest you write with a little more care and a little more consideration to other members.
DaveW reacted to Salyan in Disease in the camp
Sigh. Your answer may not require a separate thread, but the discussion this is likely to create will. 🙄 And I didn’t want us to get distracted from giving the OP answers to her genuine questions as to the nature of God.
It is very likely there were STDs in the ancient world. However, you cannot say with any authority they are what is being referred to here. There is simply no biblical evidence for it.
In reference to the woman of Moab being “diseased”, you contradicted that yourself. If God sent a special disease to punish Israel’s immorality, then the Moabites were not diseased when they arrived. At any rate, God punished Israel for sinning and disobeying him – period. There’s no reason to add anything else to the story.
It was very common for victors of the time to kill the men and boys, and keep the single girls and children alive. No male children means no one to grow up and avenge their fathers. You have an interesting theory, but I really don’t see the need to read a special anti-STD campaign into this. Could it have been a factor? Sure. But you can’t count it as ‘fact’.
DaveW got a reaction from gracelife in Refuting Verses of TULIP belief
Unfortunately, I have.
A young man was convinced by another guy that Calvinism was true, but since he still suffered under the burden of sin, he also became concinced that he was not part of the elect. Since he was not, there was no hope for him, and he stopped following the Lord at all.
Calvinism is a dangerous heresy.
DaveW got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in DaveW: Here's some encouragement for you
The bloke on the right has indigestion.
The one in the middle just heard one of the other two break wind and is waiting for the odour to hit.
Martin Short could very well be chanting DaveW, but it is a bit hard to get your tongue around in that setting - more likely just "Davo, Davo, Davo".....
DaveW reacted to HappyChristian in Hubs in the hospital...
I hadn't posted an update on Facebook for a while until this morning. Some of it is a repeat of the previous post, but here it is:
A few weeks ago, the doctor cleared Randy to go back to work. He had already been back to preaching, but now would need to go back to home health aid.
We were not thrilled with this, because we know how much pain he's in (well, I know from observation, he from - obviously - experience). The first week there were some issues that seemed like would end up with his losing his workman's comp. We know that if that had happened, God would take care...briefly summed it was because he had been released for light/moderate duty, but even the light duty was too much.
He had three days with 1 shift each day, 1 1/2 hour each. Sounds easy peasy, right? Well, he had just gotten to the point where he was sleeping at night for maybe 3 hours at a shot before pain woke him. The night after his first shift was not horrible, but it wasn't as well as the previous nights had been. The second night was worse, and he woke in the morning for his third shift with his foot so swollen (this was after propping it the rest of the previous day and night) he could hardly get his shoe on. Yet he still went to work.
So...he had to see the doctor again. He wanted me to go in with him, to make sure that he remembered everything he wanted to discuss.
Upshot of the visit was that the doc limited him to two 1 1/2 hour shifts per week. While that is still difficult for him, it is much better than the 3 shifts. So he's done two weeks like that, and heading into his third week.
The doctor had also referred him to a neurologist for his foot. And the doc told Randy that it's very likely that he has neuropathy (which is not curable)...and that this is quite likely his "new normal." He has an appointment for June 26
He still isn't driving, so my mom and I take turns bringing him to work - and finding something to do in town so we don't have to drive home and go back. =D Just this morning, as he was walking to his chair, he was limping badly. I asked him if he was ok...he was having some intense surges of pain. He had to get to his chair and sit before he fell. The surges of pain are one big reason he isn't driving right now. And they are intensely painful.
It bothers him that he can't get outside and putter with things - like mowing the lawn. Our son has come and done some mowing, and my wonderful sister and her boyfriend spent 4 hours (that's a total of 8 hours...) this past Saturday mowing and weed eating - and they weren't able to finish it all! Not because they weren't working like lunatics, but because there's just so much to do! Randy feels guilty about not being out there (I know, and he knows, there isn't anything he can do about it, but there it is...). So there's that.
And he is a bit frustrated at not being able to be out knocking on doors for church. It's something that he has always loved doing, and now cannot do.
At the same time, he knows that God is in control - and he is looking forward to God working in our lives and in our church. And he is enjoying the extra time to study.
Me? I'm concerned greatly. He has several health issues that can be life-threatening. I'm praying for a miracle. A miracle that, even if he has neuropathy, our Great Physician will heal him.
I can't really put into words all that is in my heart. But I would ask that you join me in praying for that miracle. Thank you for continuing to pray for my Randy.
DaveW reacted to HappyChristian in Hell's Compartments: Then, Now, and In the Future.
Alrighty then. This thread is going to be locked as soon as I'm done posting this. And I think you'll understand why...
MJW has brought to this thread nonsense spewed on David Icke's forum. David Icke is a conspiracy theorist (please understand, I'm not against every "conspiracy theory" because the devil really is out to get us) who is anti-Israel, believes shape-shifting lizards control the earth, parallel universes, that he is a son of the godhead, had an illegitimate child from his wife-approved relationship with a psychic (his wife renamed herself Michaela, you know - from the archangel Michael).
I could go on and on, but I don't need to. The fact remains that the nonsense listed in this thread appears on his official forum. I'm leaving the thread intact simply for educational purposes. However, to the reader of this forum: please be advised that what MJW has said and posted in this thread is not biblical.
@John Young, if you'd like to comment, let me know. I'll be glad to unlock it for your comment, since you are the originator of the thread.