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  1. I have very little to add to Jim's statement. My point in making the correction is that as independent Baptists (individual and independent churches) we try to follow what the Bible says. If you would like to read 1 Timothy 3: 1Ti 3:1-7 (1) This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work. (2) A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; (3) Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; (4) One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; (5) (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?) (6) Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil. (7) Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil. I will point out to you that the term bishop is a biblical term, but not in the way the Catholic church uses it. I will further point out to you that the term "husband" in vs 2 is specifically masculine in its meaning and application, thus prohibiting the appointing of women to the position of bishop, pastor, elder (the three interchangeable and biblical terms for a pastor), and further more the term "wife" in vs 2 is specifically feminine, thus restricting the partner of a bishop (pastor, elder) to being a woman. I know that many groups try to change this passage to say "spouse of one spouse", but the language used absolutely does not allow it, therefore a Pastor, bishop, Elder, must be a man, and his spouse must be a woman. The KJV uses those terms because they are gender specific and they accurately reflect the meaning behind the words. Thus, according to the Bible, a woman cannot be a Pastor, and a member of a same sex couple cannot be a Pastor. In both cases they do not fit the biblically laid out qualifications. The church you contacted probably does not want to put in writing something that could open them up to lawsuit by those who seek to damage Christianity. And no, Independent Baptist Churches are not ruled over by a governing body. We are individual separate churches, who on occasion will join together to fellowship with like minded churches, but we do not have any authority over one another.
  2. I believe it has nothing to do with any sort of "pole shift". Your linking this verse to the pseudo scientific theory of "pole shift" is wrong on every level. The Pseudo scientific "pole shift" theory has to do not with the physical poles, but with the magnetic poles reversing polarity, ie, the north pole MAGNETICALLY becomes the sought pole, and vice versa. It has nothing to do with any sort of physical rotation of the earth across its axis. I haven't done a full study of this chapter yet, but it seems as though it is talking of a great devastation that would come upon the land, but I don't think it means the earth will literally turn over. Tell me Eric, what does this verse mean? Act 17:6 (6) And when they found them not, they drew Jason and certain brethren unto the rulers of the city, crying, These that have turned the world upside down are come hither also; My points are primarily that you, by your title, have linked the phrase "earth upside down" to a pole shift, but the pseudo scientific theory of pole shift DOES NOT refer to a physical shifting of the poles but the magnetic shifting of the poles; and secondarily, that the phrase earth upside down, does not automatically mean a physical turning of the world upside down. I am currently studying Isaiah, and in about 2 years time when I eventually get to Isaiah 24 I will let you know my thoughts specifically - if I remember after all that time.
  3. The earth will not turn over. Any pseudo science "pole shift" is referring to the reversal of the magnetic poles, not the physical rotation of the earth top to bottom. And it is entirely theoretical. It is entirely possible that if such a thing were to happen the only thing people would notice is that their compasses point the wrong way. And the birds get confused.......
  4. "Reverend" is not a biblical term for a church leader in any case.
  5. And we can even take a simple approach: Joh 3:15-16 (15) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Note that in speaking about being born again Jesus uses the names "Eternal life" and "Everlasting life" when talking about this kind of life. I know this is simplistic, but something is not everlasting if there is ANY WAY AT ALL that it could end. And something is not Eternal if there is ANY WAY AT ALL that it could come to an end. I now I am simple, but when God calls it eternal life and everlasting life, I believe Him. That alone is enough for me to read a passage that seems like it might be talking about losing salvation, and say to myself "there must some other explanation, because salvation is ETERNAL LIFE".
  6. DaveW


    Last year finished neatly with our adult SS series coming to an end as we closed off for the year. Traditionally this church has taken a Sunday School break over the Christmas school break time (Australia remember - this is our "long break"). So I had a few weeks to ponder the new Adult Sunday School direction. (I will often try to take a bit of time when the load is lighter and plan the coming year). One of the ladies of our church came to me and said that she had started reading Isaiah and was finding it difficult, and noted that she had never heard anyone preach through Isaiah. So I decided to go through Isaiah for our Adult Sunday School. Now our format is a more technical teaching time in Sunday School, but we also only have around 20 mins of teaching time. So as I have begun the study, and then two weeks ago started the lessons, I noted to the people here that even with a chapter a week it would take us 66 weeks to finish it, but with only a short lesson time, I was expecting to be complete sometime around 2048...…….. It is such a long book that I suspect that is why so few preach through it - it is a huge commitment for both the Pastor and the listeners. And of course it is very complex with the intertwining of history, prophecy, and teaching, etc - and I want to do it properly. Everyone is excited as we are starting it - including me - but I am nervous about it also. Anyway - just thought I would chat about it here a little. Our basic run down at this time is: Isaiah - Adult Sunday School; Biblical Worship - main service; Rejoicing - Evening Service. Prayer Meeting is a devotion time, not a full message, and shared between myself and some of the men, with the emphasis of time upon sharing prayer requests and praying together. And I am running a DVD series on personal spiritual health early Sunday afternoons. (I meant to add in that I will preach as the Lord leads off these topics - I am not so strict with my schedule that it is absolutely unchangeable.) What series are you preparing/ progressing through right now?
  7. Australia is a little different - much smaller community of IB to choose from, so mostly I know someone who knows a half decent church in an area (If there is anything close to a decent church - heaps of places in Australia with no IB church of any shade). But church websites are always interesting - how hard is it to find the statement of faith or "what we believe" section? And when you do find it, half the time it is so vague as to tell nothing of real use anyway. As to a walk in - a handshake is a good start. The decor of the place tells you a bit. There is a trend to make the "sanctuary" all black - black walls, black curtains, etc. Just like a concert hall. Other pointers are the music setup. Just first impression things.
  8. And Esdras still won't be inspired Scripture.
  9. It always amazes me how worked up people get about "the bride of Christ", when the Bible doesn't say very much really. Then people get all worked up when you say that! Still worth studying are learning though.
  10. Sorry, but I am not clear on your point. Are you supporting local church, or detracting from it?
  11. That's great to hear - when I was first saved it was like that at my church - most people came to most services.
  12. John 11 11 These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. 12 Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. 13 Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep. 14 Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead. This passage shows that words were sometimes used interchangeably in the Bible, and even in this case the disciples mistook His meaning. There is a false doctrine called "soul sleep" which is promoted by a few groups, usually those who reject the idea of Hell in preference for anihilationism (nothing after death, you cease to exist). This is an unbiblical false doctrine.
  13. I know what you mean - If I had the answer I wouldn't be asking.
  14. I love this...... The NT actually says much more about the bridegroom than the bride - maybe people should concentrate more on Him? Mat 9, Mark 2, and Luke 5, all talk about the bridegroom and the "children of the bridechamber". That is interesting. As to the time of the future: Rev 21: 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife. 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God, The Bride of the Lamb is the city, the new Jerusalem, which comes down from Heaven. At least that is according to Rev 21. So why exactly are you trying to make a link to the local church?
  15. It seems to be common problem where I am that Sunday morning is the biggest service by numbers, but no matter what your actual numbers are, Sunday evening is about half or less than Sunday morning, and Prayer meeting (Wednesday night for us) is about half again - so only about 25% of the morning service. Thoughts people? How can we (biblically of course) find a way to help people see the importance of the other services? I struggle to understand it personally, because pretty much from the day I got saved I was in every service I could be. It just seemed to be what I should do, but that is apparently not "normal"....... (How surprising is that? I am not normal!!!!! )
  16. Hmmm - to me it is an oversight, not a deliberate matter. How you handle it of course depends to some extent on the overall situation, but I would probably be inclined to make the matter known in a semi official way (not just word of mouth, but maybe a meeting of nature members, or possibly even publically from the pulpit if you think that is more appropriate) and let people know that you are sorry for it. Of course in some churches that is just giving fuel for someone to start a fire, so it may have to be handled more quietly, but the principles apply: Matt 18 15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, thentake with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. In your case it you yourself bringing yourself before two or three witnesses - or indeed before the church, whichever you deem necessary. But I think you are right to be uncomfortable with the situation. Make it right by making yourself accountable to at least mature members. Maybe discuss with them if it needs to go before the church. Note: I was writing this as Jim posted, and I agree with him about making it right with the company as well.
  17. No worries - it's all cool. Actually feels a little like we are all a bit anononoymouse......
  18. Could I suggest you to you, that rather than worrying about fasting and such like, you go right back to basics and read through some passages like: Rom 3:23 (23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Think about what that verse is actually saying, and ask if it applies to you as well. For the ones that the first verse there applies to, they need to look at verses like: Rom 6:23 (23) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. I would like you to note that as the verse is talking about opposites, the "death" spoken of is the same as the "Life" spoken of in one respect - it is eternal. Where does that leave the one who the first verse applies to? Is there a solution to that problem? Joh 3:16-18 (16) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (17) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. (18) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. So if God sent His son to offer eternal life to sinners through their belief in Him, what does that look like? How does a sinner "believe" properly? What does it take? Rom 10:9-13 (9) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (10) For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. (11) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. (13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. Consider these passages, and maybe read through the book of John - but consider these passages, what they are saying and does any of that apply to you, and should you pay attention to what it is saying? Can I let you in on a little secret? These passages absolutely apply to me. This is far more important that any discussion you might have on fasting - but if you really want those answers - the simple explanation is to abstain from something so that you may concentrate on worshipping the Lord. It is often food, but doesn't have to be. But the other verses I mentioned are by far the most important thing to study (and there are more to consider as well, but that is a basic starting point).
  19. Eph 4:26 (26) Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: It is possible to be angry without sinning, but I doubt it is possible for me personally...………. At least every time I have been angry, if I am honest I can find sin in my anger. But if anyone could be angry and sin not it would be God. And if you look at the situation of the flood: Gen 6:5-6 (5) And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. (6) And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. God had every right to be angry because " the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually." Now we get into deeper theology when we are talking God repenting as mentioned in this passage. If God was the Calvinist God who absolutely determined that men would follow his will in a predeterministic way, then you would have a place to hold your argument. However, if God had determined that men would be able to act according to their own will, then we have room for God to "repent". He was sorry that he made man, because man chose to sin - He therefore chose Noah and his sons, and their wives, who found grace in the eyes of the Lord, to "restart things" (if you will allow that terminology). It was not God's direct will that man become wicked and evil continually - that was man's choice. When man chose that way, God was sorry for it. God did not change, God's overall plan did not change, God's will did not change, but when man chose to sin, it made God sorry. He was always God who wanted man to choose to love Him, and He still is. Just as a father is sorry when his child chooses to do wrong, so also God is sorry for it.
  20. This is an interesting subject....... For my part, it is more about going forward than looking backwards. As far as we can see in the Bible, churches are started by men sent out from other churches. What that means is that if someone wants to start a church they should do it with the proper authority from a sending church, just like in the Bible. But as far as history is concerned..... 1. If someone is relying on their past to prove their current standing they are on dangerous ground. Where does that church stand TODAY? 2. How would anyone prove lineage all the way back? With all the persecution and subsequent secrecy at times it is practically impossible and therefore practically useless. But just because a line of authority is impossible to prove in the past doesn't mean we shouldn't follow the biblical example of starting churches with authority. How your church does things today is far more important than history and heritage. Those things can be undone in a matter of weeks even, with the influence of one strong willed man. But a comparison to the Bible TODAY shows where a church is today.
  21. It is not that I "want to give up", it is simply that there is basically no point to me constantly restating what the Bible says and what I have clearly explained. As to your points, I do not like and do not agree with your added proviso of "at that time." By adding that phrase in each of the points as you have done, you are redefining my statements, because you are attempting to summarise what I have said, but you are adding in a thought which I have not presented, did not suggest, and do not believe. And as you have added that same phrase in each of the points, I can only assume you have done so with careful consideration. As such you are misrepresenting me. I was not going to bbn other clearing that up, but it is a misrepresentation of what I have stated. What I have stated is best summarized by my little simple graphic representation of Acts 2:41. There is no need to redefine and re-present what is the simplest form of what the Bible says in that passage.
  22. I am afraid that to simply thow out everything that David wrote in the way you have is simply ridiculous. And you are now introducing another subject. David OBVIOUSLY believed he had eternal security. The work of the Holy Spirit is another subject.
  23. Fact: the ONLY day that is specifically mentioned as having a church service OF ANY SORT, is the first day. That DOESN'T mean that a church service HAS to be on the first day. In fact there are references to churches meeting daily, so apparently ANY DAY is OK to have a church service. But there is another FACT: Nowhere is it commanded to have a church service on the Sabbath day. If certain people want to ignore what the Bible says about meetings happening on the first day, then that is their right, but you cannot force a Christian to observe the Sabbath day and you cannot restrict the chosen day of worship from being the first day of the week. A church should meet on whatever day suits them the best - regardless of what some people say, there is INDICATION that the first day of the week was a day that some churches met on, so if you want to follow their example, then go right ahead. Traditionally it was convenient to meet on a Sunday because the majority of western nations recognised it as a day for church, and since there is no biblical prohibition against it, Sunday is as good as any other day. Fact: God gave commandment about this matter: Col 2:16-17 (16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: (17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Meet whatever day you like for church, but do not judge those who do not keep the Sabbath as YOU want them to. Bible folks..... it is kinda important to read it.

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