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DaveW

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  1. On both counts you are wrong. Many KJV people have done considerable study into both translation matters and manuscript matters. Comparing modern versions to the KJV can be useful, but it is not the whole matter. Secondly, I have first hand experience of conversations and been shown evidence in Israel of those who can follow the tribal history. This is legitimate, provable, evidence based fact, not your personal denial of such. (What is it with you and the whole "I'm right and you're wrong" stuff - you don't present any evidence, and have not done so as far as I can see in ANY of you
  2. Again with the "I'm right and you're wrong ". And you still have done this board the common courtesy of introducing yourself properly in the intro section.
  3. So you are legitimately going to base your whole argument on "I'm right and you're wrong"? You are unbelievable..... All I can say to you is that your assessment of the people I have spoken to is totally wrong and based on absolutely zero evidence. It is based only on your wanting to be so. You are so deceived..... And your god is not the God of the Bible, for my God can do what He promises. When He notes the 144000 as " the children of Israel", and designates them by naming each and every tribe, I MUST believe that He has preserved the tribes, and I KNOW He is able to
  4. Sorry, I just can't believe that this is your so called reason for this passage being symbolic....... For starters although you say the tribes don't exist today, you are wrong. Many Israelites today know their tribe, whether you believe it or not. I have spoken to some of them, and they are certain they know. Secondly, even if "the tribes don't exist today" ( which is incorrect) why would you think God wouldn't know which tribe was which? And that if He wanted to He couldn't resurrect the tribes for this purpose? What sort of god do you follow????? This is your "proof"?
  5. Ummmmm - I just went back and I can only find 1 question and it was a stupid question which you answered yoursel, so I didn't need to. Can you give ANY EVIDENCE from the passage that it is symbolic? It isn't symbolic just because you say it is - there must be a reason for it to be considered symbolic. And why would God go to all the trouble of naming and designating the VERY TRIBES if they didn't exist in the time that God is referring to. As far as Only 144000 jews left..... Have you actually read the passage? Nowhere does it indicate that these are the ONLY israelite
  6. Excellent - so then which tribe are you a "spiritual part" of? Rev 7 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. 5 Of the tribe of Juda were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad were sealed twelve thousand. 6 Of the tribe of Aser were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Nepthalim were sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasses were sealed twelve thousand. 7 Of the tribe of Simeon we
  7. You quite obviously did not read my posts properly or you would not misrepresent my posts the way you do. In any case, it is time to move on from this argument as you obviously cannot read either my responses nor the Bible correctly. I refer you to another passage: Rev 7 4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel. God here refers to the tribes of the children of Israel, and to his use of them in the end times. Why is it that God STILL refers to Israel
  8. So in other words you don't like what Paul wrote under the inspiration of God and so you choose to ignore it. No point in continuing this, as you obviously are only here to push false doctrine. And you still refuse to properly introduce yourself, which is the standard modus operandi of false teachers who come here.
  9. Let’s make this really simple so you can follow it. Rom 9:3-8 (3) For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: (4) Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; (5) Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. (6) Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Isr
  10. This is a blatant and total misrepresentation of what I have said. Clearly Paul sees national Israel -his brethren according to the flesh, as legitimately Israel - he names them as such. National Israel is Biblically referred to as Israel twice in this passage. I have nowhere said that every reference to israel is "ethnic Israel" ( in fact I have not used that term at all). But plainly God refers to national Israel as Israel after your designated timing. You are not only twisting my words, you are also twisting Scripture.
  11. According to the Romans 9: 3-5 AND 6 God disagrees with you. If you were right, and there was no longer a nation of Israel after Jesus Came, then WHY does God refer to national Israel as Israel? It really is not that hard to understand. And you still haven't introduced yourself in the intro section...…. That also is not hard to do, nor is it hard to understand why you should do it.
  12. Oh you mean this verse 6: 6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: You mean this verse where God makes a distinction between physical Israel, STILL CALLING THEM ISRAEL. Why would God refer to them as Israel, if He no longer considered them to be Israel? So this verse, like the previous ones I mentioned, STILL POSE THE PROBLEM for you that God Himself continues to make the distinction and refer to national Israel as Israel. Now are you seriously suggesting that the covenants etc are not regarding national
  13. Oh yeah, you still haven't done the basic thing of good manners and introduced yourself in the intro section. I don't think I have ever joined a forum that didn't have an introduction section, and it was simply expected as part of decent forum etiquette that any new member posted a formal introduction post. In some fora I have been a part of you could not post anywhere except the intro section until after you had posted an intro post. This is the only place I can remember where so many people not only don't automatically post an intro, but actually refuse to do so when asked. In
  14. I didn't need to quote just one more verse, because it doesn't do what you suggest. The plain fact is that God, through the Apostle Paul, refers to the nation of Israel as Israel AFTER your appointed time of Him so called rejecting them. God still consider national Israel to be Israel, REGARDLESS of the next verse. I am not by the way rejecting the rest of the passage, just pointing out that the next verse and continuing do NOT nullify the point of verses 3 - 5.
  15. Romans 9 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen. Why would the Apostle Paul, under the Inspiration of the Holy Spirit, refer to his kinsmen according to the flesh as Israelites, if God was now done with national Israel and
  16. Ok then..... I will go first. 2Ti 2:2 And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also. A Pastor should teach faithful men to teach men. This is of course referring to the things of doctrine and salvation. Could we refer to this as "discipleship". A pastor should disciple men to be faithful teachers of God's Word.
  17. I don't want this to be an argument, nor for people to attack other people over this subject, but it does come up occasionally about the duties of a Pastor. I wonder if people would post up one Biblical task of a Pastor per post. There are so many things that people expect a Pastor to do in the course of his "duties", but not all of them are actually biblically commanded. Some of them are good things, some of them really good things, but some of them are not. And there are some things that Pastors do today that are things that EVERY Christian should do, not specifically the Pastor (S
  18. Every single forum I have ever joined has had a policy of "introduce yourself" before you get stuck into the discussions. In some, it is actually necessary to have an introduction post before you can post in any other section. Is this possible with this forum software? I understand that this is something brother Matt will probably have to address personally, but maybe a bit of discussion about it? Introductions are kinda important I think. And of course it may not even be possible under this platform, so it might all be moot.
  19. Can not one member discuss a matter with another? If I see someone attacking a friend of mine, I think I am absolutely to come to their defence. And again, if you genuinely believed that you would not be answering this post, but leaving it to the moderators to handle...…. This is simply a mechanism to shut me up. But I will defend when it is necessary, and I will question when it is necessary. If you are so concerned with rules and regulations of the board, you would have read them before you started posting and you would have done the polite thing and introduced yourself i
  20. Okay, but that doesn't really answer the question. What is your position on the nation of Israel in God's future plan? Are you of the opinion that the nation of Israel has been forsaken in favour of "Spiritual Israel", and therefore God will have nothing further to do with the nation of Israel?
  21. Why so angry? You yourself denoted the topic of your post to be relating to churches when you introduced that into the opening statements of your paragraphs. And by the way, I was not accusing, just pointing out the facts of the matter. Secondly, this is no way trolling, but defending someone whom you attacked unjustly. Hypocrital to defend someone unjustly attacked in the place they were attacked? no way. If you genuinely believed that, you would not have answered this in this thread...... And I am not a moderator...….. Finally - answering a post directly is not off
  22. But the Bible makes a difference between spiritual Israel and physical Israel. Often people who use your phrasing are doing so to indicate that God has forsaken Israel and replaced them with Christianty. What is your position on this?
  23. Actually the first two paragraphs of your post start with this statement..... Your post is ABSOLUTELY about churches.... And you should not go around accusing people of trolling when you know nothing about them. By the way, would you like to go to the intro section and introduce yourself properly there?
  24. If a plethora of people independently identify you as a preterist, then maybe it is not I that is ignorant but you.... Maybe, just maybe, your position and description of that position is far closer to the preterist that you would like to believe. And as for your LIE about your position predating others.... I have quoted historical information (proving your previous statement a lie), that shows that both these other positions were discussed as early as the third century. That only gives you two centuries to play with and there are no writers discussing these issues prior to this tha
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