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  1. I am not sure what they about that - but I would think they would tell them to just send it their church....
  2. The false teaching is that you always send your offering to the church you were saved at. Some pastors here in Australia are having to deal with this with people who have come here from the other country.
  3. Not false religion, but false doctrine. It is not in Australia, but I have heard that in a nearby country there is a teaching rising that says that you always send your offering back to your first church, no matter where you are worshipping now. This of course deprives small independent churches of much needed support, whilst making the big churches teaching this richer and richer. It also demotes the principle of the local church. And unfortunately this is among "independent Baptist churches", although I use the term in a technical sense rather than a true sense. Has this found any sort of foothold in the USA or elsewhere? I have met one of the guys promoting it when he visited Australia and was still considered IFB, but even then held to some hidden strange doctrines. He kept them very quiet and it was a surprise when the truth came out. He has never been invited back and would not be welcome in any case.
  4. No argument there in any way shape or form, but that is not the question. (It is a valuable addition to the thread though.) I am writing a "Paper" to give to those who are actually speaking with this guy (it is all a bit second hand, and a rather complex situation....) so that they can read it and use the information as it seems best to them. It does include such references as those you mention NoNics. It still has me foxed where this guy has come across it. He has been known to chase internet theologians from time to time, so I assumed he had caught someone on it and liked the sound of it, but I cannot find any references apart from Islam, and I know he knows Islam is not right...…. I am beginning to think that he has made this one himself...…. unless he has come across some Amish teaching as mentioned above????? Since no one has flashed it as something they know of, I guess it will come down to continued searching. I would like to know where he has got it so that I can check and see what else may be following..... For now, this one is easily answered with Bible: 9 references should be enough to show that the context is not "explaining away", but explaining properly...…. I actually was really pleased when I came across this passage in looking at the subject: Deu 4:10-12 (10) Specially the day that thou stoodest before the LORD thy God in Horeb, when the LORD said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children. (11) And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness. (12) And the LORD spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. This is just prior to one of the passages that this guy is wrapped up in, and of course it notes specifically that they "saw no similitude" - even God did not represent Himself with any sort of Image. Hadn't noticed that until I read this passage with this particular subject on my mind. I "knew it" I just hadn't noticed it...….. if that makes sense...…?
  5. Thanks. I still haven't found anything but Muslim teaching, but that would make sense, since they wouldn't be likely to be online.....
  6. Thanks Alan. I am trying to find out if this guy is following someone - it will be easier to discuss if I know where he is coming from, but at this stage I am not able to ask him directly if he is being influenced. I checked out delinger's site and there is no mention of it. In fact when I search the internet the only referencing I can find is to Islam, where they follow this belief. I would be seriously surprised if this guy was being influenced directly by Islam, but I guess anything is possible. The basic position that this guy is following is that any pictures, paintings, photos, drawings - any representation of any created thing is idolatry. The passages that I have been left with are: Exo 20:4 (4) Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth: And also: Deu 4:16-18 (16) Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female, (17) The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air, (18) The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth: Of course he is not paying attention to the context of these passages, where the problem is not the pictures, but the worship of them. Anyway, just asking if anyone knows of a group, a "teacher", or a "preacher" that holds to and promotes this matter. Thanks folks, Dave.
  7. Does anyone know of an on line preacher who teaches that pictures of animals or people in any form are sinful? The basis is from the passages that speak about graven images. I have come across someone who believes that photos, drawings, paintings, sculptures and any form of representation of a created thing is idolatry and therefore sinful. Anyone know of someone out there there teaching this? Or has he come up with this on his own? It would help me if I knew who I was really dealing with......
  8. There was a story a few weeks ago about the "swearlist" being added to, and including words like "Jesus", "Bible", etc. Maybe you have been caught up in that? But then I seem to remember that it was only posts being blocked not people being banned........
  9. This is very close to accusing Salyan of being one of these liberals, which she absolutely is not. Furthermore, since there is no direct Biblical reference to STD's in the passages you present, it is not Salyan reading into the passages but you! I am not a mod, but I would suggest you write with a little more care and a little more consideration to other members.
  10. And people think Austrslia is dangerous....... I can (and do) go Bush walking over here anywhere I like and NEVER have to worry about being attacked by big bitey things like bears...... Or Cougars......
  11. The problem with aligning to those terms is how they are defined by those groups. They don't mean what you mean when you say "Totally Depraved", or "perserverance" as a couple of examples.
  12. Hey Mods, did this guy get banned as he claimed or did he just give up? If he just gave up, can I suggest that a note be added in the thread where he said he was going to be banned saying that he gave up of his own accord?
  13. The original article was published in 2012, so.... I have noticed that many times such articles are "re-posted". That means that while the info is good, some is outdated, as you say. Funny that you said 2012, and it was that same year he wrote it...... As to the subject, I know of a few men over here who have separated from the rest of the IFB in our city and are now following MacArthur. Still call themselves independent Baptist, but have gone modern music only, modern versions, and I don't know what else. One of them is a full on Calvanist.
  14. Yeah, I couldn't resist that one. And I just love that his name is "Dollar" anyway......
  15. The bloke on the right has indigestion. The one in the middle just heard one of the other two break wind and is waiting for the odour to hit. Martin Short could very well be chanting DaveW, but it is a bit hard to get your tongue around in that setting - more likely just "Davo, Davo, Davo".....
  16. Can we add another one to this? The internet theologian!
  17. Is that Martin Short?? He is a versatile actor. Very underrated.
  18. I will make a bit of a comment about this chart. It is very difficult to see how the tribes relate to the items mentioned without some sort of explanation. The positions of the tribes are in direct relation to the tabernacle, but in that case what does the tabernacle represent among them - for in that relationship the tabernacle is central - both physically and in concept. But the tabernacle is not mentioned at all on the chart. I am not 100% certain without checking but I think the position of the tribes in the 3x4 grid relates to the High Priests breastplate, but again what meaning does that carry in the chart? The three parts of the atom relating to the three persons of the Godhead I find curious because there are a multiplicity of protons and electrons in any given atom - is this suggesting the possibility of multiple gods, because that is the obvious suggestion - that Jesus is not the only one and the Holy Spirit is not the only one. And also the Higgs boson is supposed to be a sub particle of atoms which would indicate that God is made up of priests and levites....... Without a legend of explanation this chart, aside from being useless on it's own, could easily be interpreted as promoting multiple gods and the raising of men up to be gods. So, at best the chart is useless as provided, and at worst it is teaching and promoting false teaching and doctrines.
  19. I don't think anyone is suggesting you be banned...... yet. Jerry has responded to your sarcasm and aggressive tone. I will say that we don't often take to kindly to people arriving here and taking it upon themselves to "teach" their pet doctrines. What we do like is people who want to join our community and discuss - not argue about things. But you are drawing some hugely long bows and making some strange interpretations and then telling us that we don't believe what the Bible says. But you haven't really introduced yourself properly and you haven't entered into any general "get to know you" type conversations. Hang for a while. Get to know is and help us to get to know you. THEN join the discussions and DISCUSS rather than just argue.
  20. Note - I couldn't figure out how to post from the other thread to here, so I quote his first post and edited the text with that from the other thread. This explains the incorrect time stamp. Now then: I went looking for their online church and did not find any such thing. In fact as far as I can tell the two men are nor associated and it seems like one of them is dead. And neither of them are running an on line church. I didn't spend huge time searching, so there is a possibility I am wrong, but that is what I have found. So the truth of the matter is that you don't go to any church, but you do find preachers that you like to listen to. 2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; That what it seems like to me. Show us that I am wrong please.
  21. You genuinely have no idea about proper Biblical interpretation....... You make the Scripture fit with your ideas. That is wrong. Part of this problem stems from you not being a part of a church but instead getting your teaching from people you don't know and who don't know nor care about you. There is a reason why God made churches.
  22. Nup nup nup - sorry, but this has no basis in scripture. You have twisted those passages in order to present something that is, once again, not in the passage. You are reading into the passage what you want in it. You are not reading from the passage what is already in it.
  23. I wonder, since you have been back on here at half an hour if you wouldn't mind answering my question in your intro please? I am interested in the answers there. Thanks. Can I just say, personally your attitude doesn't seem great. You are using language which is not respectful and which has an aggressive tone to it. Can I suggest that you tone it back and speak with a little more reserve and respect?

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