DaveW

Mmmmmmmmmm………...

Vegemite.

On 1/23/2020 at 10:08 AM, HappyChristian said:

.....and bread (sorry, we didn't have any buns hehe).....

 

This was a national debate over here not so long ago. Bread or roll.......

For the record, I prefer a snag angled from corner to corner of a square piece of bread, topped with fried onion, and drizzled in tomato sauce, then fold the bread around it all.

But if I get given a bun, I am gracious enough to consume it without grumbling.

And I am serious about it being a national debate - news stories, stations taking votes of their viewers/listeners, even the politicians getting involved.

But everyone knew it was just for fun.

Mostly.

Sorta.

First point: this is a kjv forum. It is in the rules. Please only quote from the KJV.

Secondly, Jesus was very plainly speaking present tense using the terms everlasting (in these verses) and eternal in respect to salvation life.

Joh 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. 

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. 

No amount of maneuvering by you can change this fact.

Either it is eternal or it never was..........

It is very simple.

I believe on Him, I have HAVE eternal life. 

End of story.

If it can be lost, it is not, was not, and never will be eternal nor everlasting.

So in other words you, like everyone else I have asked, cannot answer the simple matter of the names God chose to use for salvation life, but choose instead to sidestep, redefine, and ignore the plain and basic truth.

Eternal life cannot be eternal if it ends for any reason.

Everlasting life isn't and NEVER WAS everlasting if ends for any reason.

And OF COURSE we want Scriptures for your points. We are not interested in Calvin's lies and false doctrines.

3 hours ago, Gregg said:

Salvation can be lost but it is not trivial.  We have it within ourselves to either reject where God leads or follow where He leads; to fall away or endure; to disobey or to obey; to love God and fellow man or to tolerate God and fellow man.  The warnings in scripture are many and clear.  When one espouses this doctrine, there is always a misunderstanding of God's sovereignty, our receiving of God's promises, or the nature of God.  Even the underlying Greek in scripture refutes the idea.  Friends in Christ, seek to remain faithful and follow where the Holy Spirit leads for He will not lead you wrong whereas man often does.  God Bless......

Answer a few questions for me please: 

1. What names does God use for "Salvation life"?  (I will give you these ones) There are two main ones: Everlasting life, and Eternal life.

2. If something is everlasting, what does that mean exactly?

3. If something is eternal, what does that means exactly?

4. If something can end, was it EVER everlasting?

5. If something can end, was it EVER eternal?

With all the verse arguments that go on, sometimes people forget the simple facts.

God, not men, calls Salvation life both everlasting and eternal. These names can only properly be used to refer to something that was, is, and always be eternal or everlasting.

If God says something is eternal, and then it ends - for any reason whatsoever - then that makes God a liar.

If God says something is everlasting, and then it ends - for any reason whatsoever - then that makes God a liar.

Now remember, these are not my names for salvation life, but God's names.

So one last question: Why would God use terms that indicate that salvation life is both eternal and everlasting, if that salvation life can be lost in way for any reason? He would be lying in His use of those terms.

I know I haven't quoted any verses "Proving" you can't lose your salvation, but you all the verses I am talking about:

Mat 25:46
(46)  And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
Mar 10:30
(30)  But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.
 

Joh 3:15
(15)  That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16
(16)  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:36
(36)  He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

Joh 4:36
(36)  And he that reapeth receiveth wages, and gathereth fruit unto life eternal: that both he that soweth and he that reapeth may rejoice together.

Joh 5:24
(24)  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

Joh 5:39
(39)  Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Joh 6:27
(27)  Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

I could of course go on, but you get the idea.

And of course I know this is a really simplistic argument, but if it is so simple, then it should be a breeze to answer - but no one has ever explained it away to me.

Eternal and everlasting are God's names for salvation life, and if salvation can be lost, then it is not everlasting nor eternal and NEVER WAS.

13 hours ago, Alan said:

Sigh!!!! I am not sure if I should mention that snails taste better with a little salt or not.

It may be that some of the folks here like their snails with salt and some without salt. So, I will forbear and let all of you eat your snails anyway you like and not try and persuade you otherwise.

Well, let's face it they couldn't taste any worse, so go ahead and add salt.

Of course you cannot have a Hawiian Pizza without pineapple, but a good "works pizza" should also have pineapple.

I have no idea what this "ketchup" is that you speak of, but tomato sauce is also made of tomatoes, and whilst I would not have it on most eggs, scrambled can handle it.

And you can add any number of different things to steak, but steak sauce or tomato sauce are definitely NOT acceptable.

Here is a biggie: a burger is not a complete burger without a few slices of beetroot in the rest of the salad.

Sunset from Gracetown, South West of Western Australia

3 bears carpark and surf breaks in the background, our old Cruiser in the fore.

No bears here at all - not even koalas in Western Australia, and they are not bears.

Apparently there are three surf breaks - Papa bears, Mama bears, and Baby bears - one of the the surf breaks is always just right.......

It is a half hour of 4x4 only to the carpark from either north or south, but the main carpark was full - 30 or so vehicles parked up.

It took about an hour to complete the track, with conditions ranging from hard dirt, to rocky surface, to soft sand, and the views were amazing.

We met a few cars coming the other way and they were doing the soft sand hills hard, but we going down those not up. The big old cruiser was great on the run.

The Lord provided for us and I was able to take my wife away for our 31st anniversary- not "away - away", just to the south-west of our state (about 200km away from home), to stay in a little cabin in the bush for a few days.

Anyway, one of the things we did was to find a popular off-road track down here called Three Bears.

We have a 1985 Toyota Landcruiser - it is not new, but it is in good condition, and they are a capable truck.

Anyway, we got a little video of the track. 31 years married and she still comes 4x4ing with me (on the rare occasion we get to go.)

I hope you enjoy this few minutes as much as we enjoyed the hour of track work.

Just an update.

There are people worldwide who are blaming the recent and current bushfires on "climate change". As I have already mentioned, fires such as these (this scale) are not common, but also not unprecedented. Twice in the last 40 years we have seen fires similar to this.

I don't know if it is being reported, but over the last 2 - 4 weeks there have over 180 arrests of arsonists related to the recent and current bushfires. 

This is unprecedented.

We do have fire bugs of course, but a bad year would be 30 arrests through the nation over the entire summer. 180+ is astoundingly out of proportion. 

I am not really one for conspiracies, but with all the protests about climate change shouting about the fires, and all the accusations against our PM, along with a hugely disproportionate number of deliberately lit fires........ well, it all just seems a little bit...... coincidental.

But is it really possible that people would risk causing death and horrendous damage to property, just for political gain, and to advance the "environmentalist agenda"?

One of the funniest things about our politics is the main conservative party is called the Liberal Party!!!!!!!

(Currently in power).

To be fair, the harvest bans are a regular thing. In summer here everything gets so dry that even driving through a field can start a fire.

A few years ago a man was using a grinder during a total fire ban, and he started a fire which caused huge damage and a death. Total accident, but this place really goes to tinder in summer.

The no cool burning, no clearing, and no bush grazing are the things that have added to the current problems, and they are all main platform policies of the Greens party, the Labour party, and the Democrats.

And now they are all attacking our Prime Minister over the fires.......

To give you an idea, with 40+ bush fires burning in Western Australia currently, my family went for a country drive today. Covered a loop of about 400km and did not even see smoke from any of these fires.

Western Australia is huge, so as with all things numbers and statistics do not tell you the whole story.

But there are definitely people in trouble from these fires.

Ok then -  a few bits about this.

The article is referencing the fires on the East coast - I am on the West Coast. That means that those fires are not affecting me.

However, there are extensive fires along the east coast and in fact all over Australia. Every State and Territory is suffering fires at the moment.

But it is summer in Australia, and we ALWAYS have fires in summer.

These are worse than recent years, but really only because the last several years have been relatively mild.

The stuff about our Prime Minister is political fluff from his opponents. The PM is not responsible for the fires and cannot do anything about them. The fire services are State controlled, not federal.

But for context - Western Australia (where I am), currently has 40+ Bush fires raging through the state, including one that has cut the main transport route between the east coast and the west coast.

But the majority of these fires are in unpopulated areas, and so there is almost no news on the WC fires situation. 

On the East coast, the population is far greater, and spread wider in the country, so many smaller country towns are suffering.

The suffering is widespread and real, but not extremely unusual.

The problem is that the progressive political parties have managed to stop all sorts of management of bushland areas (like cool weather burning of bush areas, cattle grazing of bush areas), and now they are blaming our (conservative) PM for the results of their own policies.

We have had two bushfires within 3 miles (5km) of our house, but in WA most houses are built with a construction that makes fires less of a threat. Double brick walls, tin or tiled rooves, and not generally right against bushland.

Remember that I put up a photo of our fire danger signs? They start at "low moderate" and the second level is "high" which is every day from spring through autumn that it isn't raining.

We currently have a total fire ban - if you go into the bush you cannot light any campfire, and can only cook with a controlled, contained bbq flame. You cannot drive through bushland off the well defined tracks for fear that your exhaust may light scrub.

No harvesters can be moved through fields. No welding, grinding, or anything else that could throw sparks.

And those are normal summer restrictions.

In short - the bush fires are worse than the last few years, but we always have them.

The study of Mary in Catholic dogma is called "Mariolatry".

All other area of study in theology are "...ology".

With the exception of "Idoloatry".

The difference? And "olatry" is worship.......

Anyone who says that Catholics don't worship Mary is seriously misinformed.

Yep - I often sit across the road from a bar and the number of drunks who come out and cut down a tree to decorate it is astounding......

It was and is an offensive correlation.

Drunks get loud, aggressive, depressed, or profane, but they don't go on redecorating sprees.

1 hour ago, Jim_Alaska said:

Bro. Dave, Bro Mike did not say it was like being a drunk. He said doing those things was like the "activities" of a drunk. The activities of a drunk are nonsense, silly, offensive, etc. Just imagine putting your socks on a mantel and expecting some entity to magically fill them after sliding down your chimney.   

I understand, but it is offensive. He IS effectively saying that if you put up a tree and hang stocking for Christmas then are you are a drunk.

It is offensive, and there is not really any link between the two concepts.

For the record, I personally don't like Christmas trees, and our kids were told the truth about Christmas from the earliest of times. They also know about Santa, because we have unsaved relatives who asked them what Santa brought them etc - We always told them to play along in case another child was there who did believe.

Hey NN - I am also a bit worried because we have a silver serving platter which was the work of a workman, just like the tree........ where do you think I stand with that? (It is not real silver by the way, we can't afford that - I think it is played. Does that make it OK?)

3 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

My thought is, why put a stupid tree in your house anyways? There's lots of them outside-plant some in your yard, decorate them. Cutting down a tree to put in your house, and hanging socks on your mantle, sounds more like the activities of a drunk.

 

Could you explain the connection between putting a tree in your house and being a drunk please, because I don't see a connection........

6 hours ago, weary warrior said:

Bottom line difference between your view and my view...?

You - "What are they doing wrong?"

Me - "What are we doing wrong?"

Now, one of us is not approaching this correctly. I can only trust that the Chief Shepherd, whom we both serve sincerely, will make it known to each of us the things that we need to learn and mature in in order to serve Him better.

That's really funny, because the way I read your first post is that I was blaming everyone else for something I was doing wrong, which plainly shows that you didn't actually read the opening post.

As I read the posts following your first I see it as :

you: It is all the Pastor's fault.

Scott: It is sin wherever it is found.

funny how perceptions differ......

All I know is the problem is real and I want to fix it whatever it takes. I am trying on my part, but nothing seems to make a difference. But in fact all I can do is to do better on my part - I can't "force" others into it.

But the accusation that it is all my fault for being an unspiritual and boring pastor was certainly an encouragement, especially since you know me and my preaching so well.

I know plenty of people who have buddhas in their gardens - it is a common thing to do in Bali style gardens. They don't worship them.

Not promoting that by the way, just stating the fact that over here they are often used as decorations, without any thought of worship. Garden statues, like any other - garden gnomes for instance.

What a load of rubbish.....

Of course some of the points are right and reasonable, but some of this is just absolute rant and points 5 and 6 should not be posted on a Christian site - OF COURSE THAT SORT OF BEHAVIOUR IS UNACCEPTABLE- but so is that kind of description....

And why the accusations at the end?

Nobody here even knows you, and I don't know what sort of replies you have so far, but I haven't seen anything inappropriate in response to you.

Why don't you go and introduce yourself properly in the Intro section.