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  1. Brother Gary, ask the relevant doctor to research a thing called "Sirspheres" from a company called Sirtex. They are a targeted treatment for liver cancers. They have had good success, and they may be applicable to his situation.
  2. Welcome - and that is fine - we have found over time that people who refuse to introduce themselves tend to have ulterior motives for being here - and that comes out after a while. I have been here for years and most people wouldn't know what actual church I attend. It is smart to be careful, but it shows a bit of openness and good nature to introduce yourself. I think everyone is happy enough for you to leave it at "southern US and IFB". Unfortunately we get some people who come on here just to attack or to try to teach false doctrines, and they are usually reticent to share anything that might allow people to check on them on line - we had one guy who has a whole website full of false teaching, but he wouldn't tell us anything so that we could find out what his agenda was. One of the members here did some investigative work and found him and it turns out that his whole point was to try to lead people away from IFB churches. Your intro and your willingness indicate that you are here for genuine reasons, which is what we always hope, but sometimes we get burned. By the way, I am nothing official on this site - I am just another member who happens to be on at this time.
  3. To say clothing doesn't play a factor at all is, I respectfully say, just plain wrong. And to say that there is "no data" is also just plain wrong. You are just not looking at the right studies. Can I suggest that you in fact are the one who has not got the proper training on this subject? Pro 6:25-29 (25) Lust not after her beauty in thine heart; neither let her take thee with her eyelids. (26) For by means of a whorish woman a man is brought to a piece of bread: and the adulteress will hunt for the precious life. (27) Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? (28) Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned? (29) So he that goeth in to his neighbour's wife; whosoever toucheth her shall not be innocent. Mat 5:27-28 (27) Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: (28) But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Jas 1:14-15 (14) But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. (15) Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. This is how a man's heart works. But a man does not have to act upon it: Gal 5:16 (16) This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. So there is your information and there is your study material. As to your extra question - this is exactly what I mean - you want me to comment on other churches about something of which I have no knowledge, no responsibility, and no authority. This is not productive discussion, this is you searching for someone to make a statement which you can oppose. What does it matter what I think about it? I have in fact already answered that in about my second post. I said that most IB churches that I know would think the same, and any that don't should be investigated. But, no matter how you slice it, INDEPENDENT BAPTIST CHURCHES ARE INDEPENDENT AND NO ONE PERSON CAN SPEAK FOR ALL OF THEM.... And how about our newbie questioners go into the introduction area and give us a run down of your affiliations, the churches that you attend, and reason why you are here? Give us a reason to trust you, because right now it looks like you are here with a definite agenda.
  4. I am more than happy to answer any genuine questions, but the repeating of answered argument is not discussion. So go right ahead and I will do my best. Before I do though, I will suggest to you that the reason you can find great similarity in Independent Baptist Churches is not because of a lack of independence but it is due to a common "rulebook" - the Bible. My church tries to follow what the Bible says. As a result we have certain defining points. The Independent Baptist Church 45km north west of where I am likewise tries to follow what the Bible says. As does the IB church 65km west of here, and the IB church 70km north of here, and the one that is 35 km south of here. There are plenty of differences between us, but because we all try to follow the Bible, the essentials are all pretty close. But we are totally 100% independent from one another. I cannot tell them how to do things, and they cannot tell me how to do things. Basically, we have just come to very similar conclusion because we are using the same basic material - the Bible. That in fact should be a great comfort - that many different churches have come to the same conclusion EVEN THOUGH there is no collusion, no ruling body or influence, and no boss man telling us all what to do (aside from God, through His Word of course).
  5. I have to ask, why does it offend you so much that modesty is mentioned in this way? The actual quote where the term is used is: There is no implication that it is blaming the woman if she is not modest and is attacked. There is no implication that dressing with modesty will keep the woman from being attacked (note the use of "less likely"). There is no implication that being immodest is the cause of such attacks. But please let me ask you this - if a man is intent on making such an attack, is he more likely to attack a woman who is dressed immodestly or is he more likely to attack a woman who is dressed modestly? The line in particular that is quoted above is simply good advice, not some sort of judgemental attack. It seems to me that you are simply overreacting to what is a very reasonable statement. If I am wrong, then please point out to me where in his statement it forces the blame onto the woman? And also please keep in mind that I am absolutely 100% for criminal charges to be brought against any man who attacks any woman (or child). It is never justified for a man to attack a woman or child, just as it is never justified for a woman to attack a man or child, and it is never justified for a man to attack another man, or a woman to attack another woman, etc. Any such cases should be investigated by the proper authorities and if cause is found for charges and criminal proceeding to be commenced.
  6. I can only answer for the church that I am a member of, but...... Any accusations of sexual abuse (whether adult or especial involving children) will be passed on to the police to investigate. Further to this, anyone who does not have a police clearance CANNOT work in children's ministries, and anyone with a record of child molestation cannot be alone with any child at our church building. But once again, this applies ONLY to the church that I am a member of. This is a factor of independent Baptist churches being INDEPENDENT. YOU WILL NOT GET ANY ONE PERSON SPEAKING FOR ALL INDEPENDENT BAPTIST CHURCHES BECAUSE WE ARE IUNDEPENDENT. This is part of the reason that the original article of accusations is not relevant to me. As I said before, it would be like someone saying that you are responsible for the murders committed in red brick houses because you live in a red brick house. It is a ridiculous assertion. Likewise, to suggest that I can speak on behalf of (and am therefore responsible for) an independent Baptist church that I have never been to, never spoken to, have no authority over, don't even live in the same state - or for that matter country - is clearly ridiculous. I have now answered on at least four occasions both the OP and the subsequent accusation that Independent Baptist Churches are somehow not independent, and unless there is some sort of change in the questioning, there is just no point in me saying anything further. It is not a discussion if one side refuses to listen. And for the final time - any sexual abuse is abhorrent and criminal and should be dealt with by the proper authorities.
  7. I don't have a problem and have answered the question three times now. Any instance of sexual abuse in the church that I am currently a member of will have the proper authorities involved to investigate it as a criminal act. If I have to make it this plain - it will be reported to the police for a full legal investigation. However, as I have repeatedly said, it is not possible for any one person to answer the question in the way that the OP wants, because of the simple fact that we are independent Churches. The fact that the OP in particular will not accept that as a valid answer is what leads to us being suspicious. To allay those suspicions the OP needs to provide some sort of evidence that he does not have nefarious motives, because it look that way right way to me and to others here.
  8. And once again you have been answered clearly and absolutely by me. Any allegations should be investigated by the proper authorities as a criminal act. However, because we are INDEPENDENT CHURCHES - whether you like it or nor - no single person can speak for all Independent Baptist churches. You show a clear lack of understanding of what an independent Baptist church is, which makes your claim to be an independent Baptist nothing short of a lie. I am sorry to be so blunt, but you cannot claim to be a part of something that you so clearly have no knowledge of. And if you really were an independent Baptist you would understand that you arguments against the term are wrong. So once more, every independent Baptist church I personally know of would not hesitate to get the proper authorities involved with any allegation of sexual abuse. HOWEVER, as independent churches NO SINGLE PERSON OR BODY can speak for the group. Whatever you say, independent Baptist churches are not a denomination in any organised sense, and there is no spokesperson, ruling body, or organized council to speak in the fashion which you seek. Your manner, you arguments, and you mistaken understanding of what an independent Baptist church is all combine to indicate that you have nefarious motives. Speak to us plainly of your background, your affiliations, and your purpose, and we might be more keen on discussion. Many of us are more than happy to discuss with even those who are of opposing views, just so long as those people are honest and reasonable.
  9. And you both are ignoring the fact that no single person CAN answer your questions BECAUSE independent Baptist churches ARE INDEPENDENT. I absolutely directly answered the initial post when I said that the proper authorities should be involved - although I didn't state it, that is the policy in the church where I am. But because an independent Baptist church is independent I can not speak for any church but the one I am a member of. I can tell you that was the same for each of the three churches that I have been a member of. I have a question for the two of you. Why are you both singling out independent Baptist churches? There are many independent churches around - why exclude them? There are many church groups around - why exclude them? This singling out of only independent Baptist churches is what makes this seem fishy. We KNOW that this kind of thing is not exclusive to independent Baptist churches, so why focus on them? The Catholic church appears to have a systematic and organized way to hide and ignore the problem and not to even deal with it internally. The Anglican church has likewise had its issues with the problem. The Mormons have also has instances. The JW's have had instances. Schools have had many instances. The boy scouts have instances. And yet you both are focusing on independent Baptist churches only, even to the extent of attacking the other person who pointed out that others have the issue and to a far greater extent. My answer was absolutely, 100% applicable to the original question, you just don't want to accept it because it does not allow you to continue with your story.
  10. So my answer didn't address the OP? Absolutely wrong. It just didn't address it in a way that allowed you to respond in the way you want. The point Independent Baptists are not an organized group. What happens in one church has no bearing on what another church is doing. Kinda like saying you must have an opinion on murders in red brick homes because you live in a red brick home. It has nothing to do with you except that live in a house built of the same stuff. And the manner of your question certainly does appear to be a fishing expedition. You may not have intended that, but that is the way it looks.
  11. Ignores the other answers and pokes around at just this one....... wonder what kind of fishing rod, what grade line, what rig he is using? Problem for the reporter is that when someone says "anything like this should be dealt with by the proper authorities" it doesn't make for a good story. And yet, pretty much every Independent Baptist preacher I know would agree with that statement. The very few that wouldn't need to be investigated by the proper authorities.
  12. My thoughts: 1. Sexual abuse is ALWAYS wrong and as a criminal act should ALWAYS have the proper authorities involved. 2. Whatever it is that you are referencing has nothing to do with the church that I am a member of.
  13. First up - Australia is a huge place and I am on the opposite coast to Queensland. Only about 4000km between us. However, I do know the name. I don't know the man, but I do know the name and the church. I have some friends in the general area. I was in Queensland earlier this year for some fellowship meetings, but brother Hyland was not there.
  14. From Western Australia, where it will be the New Year in about another hour and a half, I would like to wish you all a God honouring and biblically "successful" year to come. 1Co_10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Jos_1:8 This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success.
  15. I just love those old technical terms.
  16. I have found some things on that site before, so thank you. I have probably also downloaded some of the esword modules that have come from your site, so thanks again. Oh and welcome. Or is that welcome back? Whatever it is, good to have you here.
  17. My friend has now moved his family back to Australia as the cancer has re-presented. Recent testing has shown that it has spread further AND there is another cancer now which is not the same as the previous. This is a totally new and unrelated cancer. An advisory panel of surgeons has recommended continuing chemo / radiotherapy, but no further surgery. He still has to talk to his own doctors and they do not have to follow the recommendations, but it doesn't sound good.
  18. There were roos all over the park. Not at all scared. If you look closely at this young lady roo you will see that she has a Joey in her pouch - legs sticking out.....
  19. I have some great kids. They sent my wife and I for a short break 'down south' to a town on the south coast called Denmark. The view is to the Southern Ocean.
  20. These facts that you suggest "anyone can verify" are quite simply lies...... You have been listening to the wrong people.
  21. Keep in mind that their doorknocking involves a repeated prayer and marking down on a list without any follow-up...... I know someone who used be an Anderson disciple, but realised that the majority of their doorway confessions are likely not saved at all. And that is not hear-say but direct testimony of what he was taught to do and what he saw practiced. And we have seen plenty of ungodly attitude and false doctrine from his disciples on this site. And I thoughtfully use the term "his disciples" because by their own testimony the are unlikely disciples of Christ.
  22. I have made and edit to the original post to add some explanation. We only started video recordings for a remote family who are members here, but since we have gone onto this platform (Facebook live), and because it is so easy, we have had a few people who can't make evening services due to health reasons also watching. Still coming for the morning service, but watching the stream for the evenings. I see it as a ministry to this church. By the way the group is invitation only and only those who need it are invited. Everyone at church knows about it, but when I introduced it I made sure that everyone understood it was not so people could be lazy and stay home and watch. The fellowship and care is an Important part of church.
  23. I know I started another thread on this but the emphasis of this is different, and that one got off track and died (My fault entirely). Anyway......... We have actually changed our system a little and now livestream with facebook live. I must emphasize that the whole reason we started this is because we have a family that has moved to an area where there is no good church. We are hoping to start one out there if we can. Currently we have a private group for the videos for those who cannot get to church for some reason, but some people want us to go fully public. To be honest, I am uncomfortable with the preaching going out fully public. Help me out folks with pros and cons. Some strong discussion on keeping it for invited viewers only or fully public please. I just don't know which way to go with this. The only thing is that if we go public they will be out there forever, so I don't want to pull the trigger until I have considered and prayed. The praying bit I got covered - the considerations I need help with........

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