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Posts posted by DaveW

  1. 14 hours ago, John Young said:

    The view you presented as an alternative theory was put forward by liberal "bible scholars" and imposed upon the text as an attempt to explain away their actions without actually showing why they acted in that way. It is one born out of cultural presumption of the nations around them and not based on what the scriptures presented. It acts as if the actions of Israel as lead by God and Moses were no better than the cultural norms of the wicked nations they displaced. 

    This is very  close to accusing Salyan of being one of these liberals, which she absolutely is not. Furthermore, since there is no direct Biblical reference to STD's in the passages you present, it is not Salyan reading into the passages but you!

    I am  not a mod, but I would suggest you write with a little more care and a little more  consideration to other members. 

  2. 11 hours ago, Salyan said:

    David Cloud isn't wrong... but he's got to update his information. The Resolved Conference closed its doors in 2012.


    The original article was published in 2012, so....

    I have noticed that many times such articles are "re-posted". 

    That means that while the info is good, some is outdated, as you say.

    Funny that you said 2012, and it was that same year he wrote it......


    As to the subject, I know of a few men over here who have separated from the rest of the IFB in our city and are now following MacArthur. Still call themselves independent Baptist, but have gone modern music only, modern versions, and I don't know what else.

    One of them is a full on Calvanist.

  3. 4 hours ago, MJW said:


    Before I go I just want to share one last slide with you all...


    I wish I could have spent more time with you folks.

    Take care.

    I will make a bit of a comment about this chart.

    It is very difficult to see how the tribes relate to the items mentioned without some sort of explanation. The positions of the tribes are in direct relation to the tabernacle, but in that case what does the tabernacle represent among them - for in that relationship the tabernacle is central - both physically and in concept. But the tabernacle is not mentioned at all on the chart.

    I am not 100% certain without checking but I think the position of the tribes in the 3x4 grid relates to the High Priests breastplate, but again what meaning does that carry in the chart?

    The three parts of the atom relating to the three persons of the Godhead I find curious because there are a multiplicity of protons and electrons in any given atom - is this suggesting the possibility of multiple gods, because that is the obvious suggestion - that Jesus is not the only one and the Holy Spirit is not the only one.

    And also the Higgs boson is supposed to be a sub  particle of atoms which would indicate that God is made up of priests and levites.......

    Without a legend of explanation this chart, aside from being useless on it's own, could easily be interpreted as promoting multiple gods and the raising of men up to be gods. 

    So, at best the chart is useless as provided, and at worst it is teaching and promoting false teaching and doctrines.

  4. I don't think anyone is suggesting you be banned...... yet.

    Jerry has responded to your sarcasm and aggressive tone.

    I will say that we don't often take to kindly to people arriving here and taking it upon themselves to "teach" their pet doctrines.

    What we do like is people who want to join our community and discuss - not argue about things.

    But you are drawing some hugely long bows and making some strange interpretations and then telling us that we don't believe what the Bible says.

    But you haven't really introduced yourself properly and you haven't  entered into any general "get to know you" type conversations.

    Hang for a while. Get to know is and help us to get to know you. 

    THEN join the discussions and DISCUSS rather than just argue.

  5. On 5/19/2019 at 2:04 PM, MJW said:

    My favorite Pastors are Michael Hoggard and Charles Lawson.

    I go to their online Church almost on a daily basis and listen to every sermon I can get my hands on.

    Unfortunately, as far as a 'brick and mortar' facility is concerned, it's slim pickings where I live.

    Most Churches don't use the KJV and corruption is at a high level.

    Note - I couldn't figure out how to post from the other thread to here, so I quote his first post and edited the text with that from the other thread. This explains the incorrect time stamp.

    Now then:

    I went looking for their online church and did not find any such thing.

    In fact as far as I can tell the two men are nor associated and it seems like one of them is dead.

    And neither of them are running an on line church. I didn't spend huge time searching, so there is a possibility I am wrong, but that is what I have found.

    So the truth of the matter is that you don't go to any church, but you do find preachers that you like to listen to.

    2Ti 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

    That what it seems like to me.

    Show us that I am wrong please.

  6. 16 minutes ago, MJW said:

    Jesus descends into the Wombs of many pregnant Mothers and gives gifts and preaches to them...

    Nup nup nup - sorry, but this has no basis in scripture. You have twisted those passages in order to present something that is, once again, not in the passage. 

    You are reading into the passage what you want in it. You are not reading from the passage what is already in it.

  7. I wonder, since you have been back on here at half an hour if you wouldn't mind answering my question in your intro please?

    I am interested in the answers there.


    2 minutes ago, MJW said:

    John 8:23
    "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world"

    Oh look. We come from 'beneath'.

    I know, I know. I'm not allowed to take that verse literal because it's too uncomfortable to think about right?

    So let's here everyone's version of "a better translation would have been".

    Or how about "what Jesus really meant to say was".

    Can I just say, personally your attitude doesn't seem great. You are using language which is not respectful and which has an aggressive tone to it.

    Can I suggest that you tone it back and speak with a little more reserve and respect?


  8. 2 minutes ago, MJW said:

    These two notions are not mutually exclusive.

    Again, the dead are sleeping.

    Sleeping implies dreaming.

    Aaaahhhh- actually they are in this case.

    There is ABSOLUTELY no reason to suggest the rich man nor Lazarus was either asleep or dreaming in the passage.

    This a concept that you have entirely imposed onto the passage, for it is not found in the passage.

  9. Of course parents can be wrong. No one is perfect, and we all make mistakes.

    But there is no doubt that God expects us to honour and obey our parents.

    Eph 6:1-3
    (1)  Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
    (2)  Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise;)
    (3)  That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.

    Where it says to obey, that word actually means more than just doing what you are told - it also carries with it the idea that we should obey with the right attitude. It is easy to do as we are told but not having the right attitude with it.

    And where it says "honour", that means to value them or more to the point "to ascribe value" to them. This means that you make them valuable to you.

    This doesn't mean that you honour them when they deserve it, but that you honour them and value them because they are your parents.

    That is probably not what you want to hear, but the Bible is plain that we are to honour and obey our parents not because they are right, but simply because they are our parents.

    We are to value them not because they are good, or even good parents, but because they are our parents.

    The ONLY out for that is where they would tell you to do something that is against the Bible and God's Commands.

    You should never go against God's Word, but you must find a way to honour them whilst refusing to dishonour God.


    Finally, can you say you have always been a perfect child? I am going to answer for you - no, you haven't been. I can safely assume this because no one has ever been a perfect child.

    How then can you expect them to be perfect parents? They are made of the same stuff that you are.

    I do have one final, final thing to say - if any of this involves personal danger to you, then get yourself out of danger. Once you are safe you can figure out what the best course of action is from there, and how honouring your parents fits with that.







  10. Can I encourage you to try ever preacher or teacher against the Word of God. Whether it is live preaching, on line preaching, books, or college course, don't simply accept anybody's teaching, but test it and study it from God's Word.

    Look at Acts 17

    10  And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.

     11  These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

    Note that these were more noble because they searched the scriptures testing whether the preaching of Paul was correct.

    Paul was an apostle, used of God to write about half the New Testsment. If it was ok to check that Paul was preaching it right then you can be sure it is ok for you check anybody else.

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