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  1. We have managed to get a flight for her to Brisbane, which is in the State of Queensland. And it is a direct flight, so 3 hours and no stops. Blessings.

    There she will have to stay in "Hotel Quarantine" for two weeks, before boarding a flight home to Perth (the other side of Australia, in Western Australia). Actually a longer flight than from PNG, around 5 1/2 hours. Yes it is THAT far. It is basically like a flight from New York to San Francisco: top right to bottom left of the nation.

    The current rules might make it difficult for her to get into WA, and even if we can get her back home, she will then (most likely) have to be in home isolation for another two weeks.

    We have the funds to pay for all of this as the Lord has provided bountifully.

    The clinic is actually closing officially tomorrow, and then she has to fly from the Highlands to Port Moresby, if the weather permits, on Itty Bitty Airlines (not its real name...). The intervening time between now and the 3rd Dec will be spent packing and rolling everything up. Flight to Aus is the 10th.

    The Lord is providing in all sorts of ways.

    Sad to see that ministry closing, but happy to be seeing our oldest little girl again soon.

    Please keep the local IB church and Pastor (Pastor Ben)in prayer up there, and be praying for the missionary family who will continue their support work up there, and the schooling ministry that will also continue there.

    Thanks folks,



  2. A final update for the folk here who care.

    For all sorts of reasons the Clinic is having to close down. Covid and the PNG government are making it almost impossible to get staff. Hannah-Rose has been running the clinic on site for these past months, with the Missionaries keeping track of the official side of things, but without more staff to help at the clinic, and with the government causing difficulties the decision has been made to close the clinic. They are all devastated, but accepting that the Lord is moving them on.

    Please pray that we can get Hannah-Rose flights back to Australia, and then back home to Perth. It is difficult getting into Australia at the moment. What should be a 3 hour flight looks to be a multi stop flight taking 42 hours....

    That is if we can get her a seat.

    Please pray also for her future leading to other ministry opportunities. 


    Thanks folks.


  3. Or dealing with people.....

    I need no advice, no rebuke, no encouragement - the purpose is to give you a laugh, because that's about all that can be done.

    I have been preaching verse by verse through a book for adult Sunday School. 

    Someone said to me that they don't come to Sunday School because they don't like that style of preaching.

    Morning service I am preaching through a list of questions that people put on a list for that purpose.

    Someone said to me that there has been some discussion and 'a few people' have mentioned that they are getting more out of the SS series than out of the "snippets"( their word) I am doing for the morning service, and that I should swap them.

    And apparently I am preaching too much about salvation. Yep, you read that right. Last few week's messages have had a mention of salvation, but as a portion, not the focus.

    You can please some of the people some of the time....... but you can't slap any of them anytime. 😆

  4. Long story short - the PNG government has changed the visa requirements for those at the clinic, and it has caused some problems. As a result it is difficult for new staff to get in, and some have had to leave.

    This all means that Hannah-Rose is now basically running the clinic. 

    She is doing fine in most respects, misses her family and home church, but loves the work, the church there in Kotidanga, and loves the people she is working with and for.

  5. Just trolling through old posts and found this one. Time for an update: Isaiah 29 currently. 2 years.......

    AM service is answering questions people are asking on a sign up sheet. Been very interesting so far.

    PM is nominally "Ships". (But this can be anything from Noah's Ark to fishing boats to friendSHIP and fellowSHIP).

    But 29 chapters in 100ish weeks.... 😊

  6. My Hannah-Rose has made it through the boredom of 2 weeks quarantine in a hotel in Port Moresby, and is currently spending the day with the missionaries, getting to know them and making last minute preparations before flying up to the Kotidanga region on Friday (that will be Thursday night for most of you!)

    The flight is by a single engined small transport - typically a Pilatus Porter or similar for those who care, and the airstrip on the mountain is slightly larger than a postage stamp. The pilots who fly in such places are absolute heroes.

    A one hour flight, assuming the weather is good enough and clear to the stirp, then followed by a 5 mile hike to Kunai. By the time you wake on Friday morning she will be just about ready to go to sleep in her quarters after a long, exciting and no doubt stressful day.

    Then she will start with the work.

  7. Kunai health clinic is in the northern Highlands, although about 5 years ago she went to the southern highlands for a couple of weeks, so she has an idea of what she is getting into.

    The Clinic is under the administration of some US missionaries, and it is a ministry of Kotidanga Baptist Church, which is the local IB church, pastored by a PNG national.

    She has now landed in Port Moresby, and is currently en route to the hotel where she will have to quarantine for two weeks. After that, she will spend a little time with the missionaries, John and Lena, before heading up to her new home for the next 12 months at least.


  8. Every day I check the church website there are junk feedback entries - between 8 and 16 at least once a day and sometimes twice. Usually they are trying to tell me how to make squillions from bitcoin, sometimes trying to sell me pharmaceuticals cheap, sometimes offering to be my wife.

    I also get emails from all sorts trying the same things and also trying to give me a few million that was left to them for a good cause by their great uncle who was the treasurer of some place or another.

    Thankfully I can just delete them, but it does take time, and it is annoying. 

    And because they come from all sorts of different emails there is no way to block them.

    So part of my day is spent getting rid of useless junk I didn't ask for.

    21st century problems...…..

  9. On 3/4/2020 at 5:02 PM, TomB said:

    When the Scriptures says, They


    shall look upon me who they have pierced”, only one soldier and.those that witnessed the crucifixion could possibly be included in that prophesy. Jesus said the day is coming that all who are in the graves shall hear the voice of the Son of man and come forth. On that great day Christ shall give a shout and a roar as it states in Jer. 25. This is definitely the last day. The trump is also mentioned. This is the rapture for we which are alive and remain shall not proceed those which have fallen asleep or “passed away” as some would say. So even those that pierced him will hear his voice. Do you remember when Jesus said in Jn 11 “Lazarus come forth” and although he was dead four days already he heard and came forth. On the last day those Roman soldiers that pierced Jesus will hear his voice and also “every eye shall see him”. Even all those that have fallen asleep since the beginning of the world. For the harvest is ripe as it says in Revelation and have patience for he waits for the first and the last fruits. In your patience possess ye your souls. ”That day is great. It is even the time of Jacobs trouble but he shall be saved out of it”.  That day is a day of darkness and gloominess a day of wastness and desolation. A day of.   Let me copy it word for word...

    That day is a day of wrath, a day of trouble and distress, a day of wasteness and desolation, a day of darkness and gloominess, a day of clouds and thick darkness,
    16 A day of the trumpet and alarm against the fenced cities, and against the high towers.
    17 And I will bring distress upon men, that they shall walk like blind men, because they have sinned against the LORD: and their blood shall be poured out as dust, and their flesh as the dung.

    18 Neither their silver nor their gold shall be able to deliver them in the day of the LORD'S wrath; but the whole land shall be devoured by the fire of his jealousy: for he shall make even a speedy riddance of all them that dwell in the land.   

    Jesus said finally in Luke 21:36 pray always that yes me counted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass and stand before the Son  of man.   
    when he comes in his glory he shall separate the sheep from the goats and place the sheep on his right hand and the goats on the left....  

    So this second question you have I’m not quite sure what is being requested. The Word of God is far more concerned about the gospel and salvation than any particular invasion of a country. The Scriptures speak in parables that must be interpreted.  Remember Jesus on the road to Emmaus after his resurrection he expounded to them in all the Scriptures from Moses to all the prophets the things concerning himself. Can you find Jesus in every Old Testament book of the Bible? He’s there because He not only spoke the Word he Is the Word. And beware lest you stumble and wrestle with the Scriptures because they can be and are a stumbling block to many as both Jesus and Peter and other prophets warned about.  “Jesus, why do you speak to them in parables?” Did he say so they can understand better? No! He said so in hearing they will not hear”  Verily thou art  a God that hide the himself oh God of Israel, the Savior.  
    I could go on but I hope this helps. Thank you for your inquiry. 



    You are making claims that are not proven by Bible verses, making vague references to vague passages, where you say they mean one thing, but there is no correlation of what you are saying with the vague references you give.

    I have been able to find the verses and passages that you refer to because I am able to use a search engine, but with each verse I identify, it doesn't say what you are suggesting.

    And you join passages together that have no reason to be joined together.

    If you were serious about stating your case, then you would at least give proper verse references for each of your claims, but it seems to me that you don't want people to find the passages you refer to in case they actually read them and find that they don't actually say what you are saying.

    At one point you say "Let me copy it word for word..." but then you leave off the reference, and the passage has no apparent link to anything you are saying - at least as far as I can tell.

    You talk about the harvest is ripe, but give no reference to it, but have you actually read Revelation 14? (verse 15 for anyone reading this, because He doesn't want to tell you). It is nto relevant to your point.


    Classic example of what I am talking about (but this time he at least gives a reference!):

    " quote from TomB:

    Jesus said finally in Luke 21:36 pray always that yes me counted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass and stand before the Son  of man.   
    when he comes in his glory he shall separate the sheep from the goats and place the sheep on his right hand and the goats on the left....   "

    Note that quoting in this way is implying that the verses are somehow joined together - he is almost trying to make it look like line 3 is a continuation from the end of line 2. THEY ARE NOT EVEN IN THE SAME BOOK!

     (Note that I am not criticising the spelling mistakes - we all do that.)

    The complete verse is:

    Luk 21:36
    (36)  Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    I don't know why he chose to leave out the "Watch ye therefore" but he did.

    I will however say that the verse he quoted has nothing to do with goats or sheep as far as Luke is concerned. If there is a link between these two subjects as he implies, it is not obvious from the Luke passage.

    In fact if you look up the sheep/goats reference you find the only reference to goats and sheep being separated to be in:

    Mat 25:31-33
    (31)  When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    (32)  And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    (33)  And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

    I will note again that he refused to share that reference - I think because it has nothing to do with Luke as he is trying to imply.

    Folks, please don't listen to this guy until he starts to properly quote or at least reference his passages, and explain the links that he is suggesting, because he is joining things together that the Bible simply does not put together. And THEN, check his references - as you should with EVERY PERSON who presumes to teach you about the Bible.









  10. 27 minutes ago, weary warrior said:

    Dave, if Cloud is talking breaking fellowship with brethren over the issue of pre-trib / post-trib rapture, it is inappropriate. That's Mike's bottom line point, and its a fair point.

    The indignation being displayed here is disproportionate to the thought communicated. 

    So somehow I am the bad guy for pointing out that someone is blatantly misrepresenting someone else?

    What Mike has accused Cloud of is simply not true.

    But I don't care to argue about any further. I pointed it out, and it is done. Fire away at this messenger all you like.......


  11. And again, you are choosing to smear Cloud on this matter by suggesting that he holds pre-trib and "the fundamentals" as salvation matters - which he doesn't. 

    Separating over a false doctrine taught does not necessarily mean that he is saying it is a salvation matter.

    Following the doctrinal teachings of a woman would also be a fairly weighty matter, but not necessarily a salvation issue - but I would separate from someone who follows the doctrinal teachings of a woman.


    You really do appear to be trying to paint Cloud with a brush that is not of his making.

  12. 5 hours ago, Ukulelemike said:

    And I agree with you completely. While I really like David Cloud and a lot of how teachings, I am disturbed a bit over his insistence not only that the pre-trib rapture is CLEAR biblical doctrine, but that it is to be considered a fundamental of the faith, meaning, if I understand Fundamentalism properly, that it is a salvation issue, and that anyone who is NOT pre-trib must be separated from, that is even more disturbing. 

    This is wrong.

    The "Fundamentals" are not all associated with salvation and it is a gross misrepresentation for you to argue it in this way.

    Two offices is a fundamental but has nothing to do with salvation.

    Two ordinances is a fundamental but has nothing to do with salvation (how they are observed does, but not the fact there are only two).

    There are others but you get the picture.

    For you to characterise Cloud in this way is totally improper.

  13. Revelation 18 notes "trumpeters" (shall be heard no more in thee), so we can safely surmise that up to that point trumpeters were heard, and that means that trumpets had to be around.  But trumpets are not mentioned again in Scripture after that point, so the last trump was done away with just prior to Revelation 18:22.

    That would have to be "the last trump", surely.

    And the last mention of "horn" is in Revelation 17, but I don't think those ones "trumped" at all....... different kind of horn.🤣

    I think have shown that the last trump was not one of the judgement trumpets at all, but some unknown bloke playing just before Revelation 18.

    I think I may have trumped you all.

    Unless of course the last trump spoken of is Donald - does he have a son to carry on the name, or is he "the last Trump"?

  14. I should add a couple of things: 

    1. My wife does far more than many Pastor's wives that I know. Everyone is different and I know several Pastor's wives with severe health issues which restrict them. They would do more if they could. But I know of some Pastor's wives who put 100% into being the best wife and mother they can be, and they cannot be derided for that either. My wife seems to find the energy to do it all - I have to tell her to rest and then it is under sufferance, which is why the accusations were so hurtful to her.

    2. Whilst there are no quals that I have ever found, I do think that a Pastor's wife, being his help meet for him, should do more than your average "Mature Christian Lady".

    3. The lady involved is obviously having a hard time herself right now (hurting people hurt people - it is true) and I did not give her a piece of my mind partly because I knew about some of this (and partly because I can't go giving away pieces of my mind - I have precious little left right now!). I am not even sure she knows or understands what she did.


    It really was better here than...…… direct to her. I needed a place to vent that would not harm her, and I do appreciate those of you who were no doubt inclined towards blasting me holding off on that course.

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