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  1. Sigh...okay, you gentlemen got me. God HAS been working on my heart in regard to make-up. (I'll wait for you to nod your judgmental heads because you so well know my evil heart and the wickedness of my motives.) Are you finished? Good.

    God has been telling me that I need to be as diligent about making sure I go grocery shopping with my make up on as I am about going to church with it on. He has been telling me that not only am I representative of Him, but also of my husband. :eek Not what you wanted to hear? Sorry. It's the truth.

    You have cast stones at my motives without regard to the fact that I have only one point...how do we disregard what the writer of the portion about Jezebel meant in order to call make-up sin? How is it that what the men of the early church had to say is of equal value to the Bible?

    Smells very pharisaical to me.

    Now I am done. Thank you for your judgments of my motives.

  2. Guy and Gals thanks for the info sorry I sound so clueless' date=' just starting to figure this stuff all out glad I have a few months to get our act together. thank again :Green[/quote']


    Don't worry about it at all. You can believe I asked a whole lot of strange questions when we were thinking about starting. Then when we were thinking about moving to another state, I had a whole bunch more questions I had to ask.

  3. :goodpost: Exactly! Thats happened a lot in this thread.


    Or maybe the fact that the writer of 2 Kings using the word for eyes instead of face meant nothing to many people here. Sometimes all you can do is show how ridiculous an argument is by tossing in things just as ridiculous. Now, the burka thing you may think extreme, but one of the ancients that omega quoted described basically that. The woman was to be completly covered with her eyes down and she was to be completely silent. That pretty much describes the burka.

    How ridiculous is it to say burka? No more ridiculous than insisting that my eyes=my face. When my nose bleeds (which happens to be part of my face) I do not say my face is bleeding. When my lips are chapped (my lips once again being part of my face) I don't say that my face is chapped. If the writer of 2 Kings had intended the word face, he would have used the word face as he did in many other passages.

    When a supposition is based upon exaggeration, how else will you prove its ridiculousness?

    jp, my argument WAS based upon Scripture. How conviently overlooked it was.
  4. John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    Matthew 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (with the previous verse stating "judge not that ye be not judged)

    Paul judged

    1 Corinthians 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
    1 Corinthians 7:40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.

    we are told that we will know them by their fruits...we judge, but we must be careful in so doing because things are not always what they appear to be on the outside (hence John 7:24)

    So yes, we are to judge. We honestly cannot help it in our daily life. We make judgments about people we want to hang around with, what we will listen to, whether what the news is reporting is accurate...etc.

  5. Anything that becomes an idol or the source for wrong motives can become a sin. But jewelry has played a part in humanity from the beginning of the Bible all the way to the end. To say its "sin" is to put your own preferences above the Bible.

    That's one reason people hate Christianity. Not only does the Bible have "rules" but then people add more rules on top of God's, which makes Christianity become a burden it wasn't meant to be.



    I am in absolute agreement here.
  6. Number 1, No where in the Bible does it say nor sinuate I'm not to have a computer as it does jewelry and cosmetics.


    Um, Jerrynumbers, please tell me you are joking about that argument. Please?
  7. Well I think smearing goop on your face for all of your adult life and trying to make people think you are older/younger than you really are is just plain old silly in my opinion. That is vain. What is so wrong with the way a woman's face looks? We have produced girls and women who have such poor self-images that they feel that they have to hide behind all that gunk or people will not like them! I don't know why the men on this board defend it, either - it's beyond me! When a man gets a blemish he doesn't stand in front of a mirror for two hours trying to hide it, does he? When a man gets a wrinkle or two he doesn't go pout in his rooom for a couple of days and cry does he? What is so wrong with a gray hair or two? What is the big deal? :huh:

    You won't find me slathering all those chemicals and poisons on my body, thank you very much. I like myself just the way that God made me, and I don't feel any need to hide behind a face that isn't mine. The very idea is vain. The cosmetics that are being defended are very bad for your health. If you don't belive it's true read this article put out by the FDA - http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-hdb3.html

    I am not talking about basic simple hygiene, I think we all should use plenty of soap and water and keep ourselves neat and clean in appearance, but make-up? No way!


    Okay, so we've reached the crux of the matter. You think it's silly. But not sin. Very good.

    If my husband prefers it (which he does) then so be it. What if your husband preferred it?


  8. Attractment is sinful because it is deception and designed to provoke lustful thoughts.

    Concealment is sinful because it is vanity.

    Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

    From Webster's 1828 Dictionary:

    VAIN, a. [L. vanus; Eng. wan, wane, want.]


    1. Empty; worthless; having no substance, value or importance. 1Peter 1.

    To your vain answer will you have recourse.

    Every man walketh in a vain show. Ps. 39.

    Why do the people imagine a vain thing? Ps. 2.

    2. Fruitless; ineffectual. All attempts, all efforts were vain.

    Vain is the force of man.

    3. Proud of petty things, or of trifling attainments; elated with a high opinion of one's own accomplishments, or with things more showy than valuable; conceited.

    The minstrels play'd on every side, vain of their art -

    4. Empty; unreal; as a vain chimers.

    5. Showy; ostentatious.

    Load some vain church with old theatric state.

    6. Light; inconstant; worthless. Prov. 12.

    7. Empty; unsatisfying. The pleasures of life are vain.

    8. False; deceitful; not genuine; spurious. James 1.

    9. Not effectual; having no efficacy

    Bring no more vain oblations. Is. 1.

    In vain, to no purpose; without effect; ineffectual.

    In vain they do worship me. Matt. 15.

    To take the name of God in vain, to use the name of God with levity or profaneness.

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    vainglorious
    VAINGLO'RIOUS, a. [vain and glorious.]


    1. Vain to excess of one's own achievements; elated beyond due measure; boastful.

    Vainglorious man.

    2. Boastful; proceeding from vanity.

    Arrogant and vainglorious expression.

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    vaingloriously
    VAINGLO'RIOUSLY, adv. With empty pride.


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    vainglory
    VAINGLO'RY, n. [vain and glory.] Exclusive vanity excited by one's own performances; empty pride; undue elation of mind.


    He hath nothing of vainglory.

    Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory. Phil. 2.


    Seriously Janet, I said I was done, but I've changed my mind. Can you judge the hearts of those Christian women who wear make-up and call them vain? I really don't think so. You don't know how women think in their hearts as they use it.

    Unless you can see them, as I did one girl in college who was obsessive over her make-up changing it 5 times a day, you really can't.

    You people are rather prideful, it seems when it comes to your automatic judgment of makeup. It may be that God wanted you to stop.

    However, I looked up the word "face" used with Jezebel. Guess what it was in the Hebrew...EYES. So logically, we would come to the conclusion that eye make-up is sin. Yes, the eyes are part of the face, but the writer of 2Kings said "eyes". That's a big leap there.

    I hope you anti-make-up people aren't sitting on your high-horses judging those of us who think make-up is fine as vile sinners. If you are, then your judgment is false. We are to judge righteous judgment.

    Judge us based on our faithfulness to God. Judge us based on our commitment to our children's spiritual success. Judge us on whether we preach/teach Christ alone is effective for salvation.

    Judgment based uponmMake-up wearing is rather silly and, well, vain.

    I may have more to say...like to the men. Do you shave? Jesus as a man had a beard. Are you not to emulate him? Where is your beard? Besides, it is the natural state of a man to grow facial hair. Why shave off that which nature intended? Is it not vanity? Perhaps we could pull out some verses and prove it is sin to shave.
  9. I do not wear a wedding ring. :roll

    I do not wear any jewelry, never did care for it, it was always distasteful to me.

    I carry a watch in my right pocket. I also wear glasses where I can read, without them I cannot read. Maybe you can do something with them.

    I don't find anything in the Bible about wearing a wedding ring, its another one of those worldly things, we are not to conform to the world and its ways.

    Rom 12:1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
    Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God

    So try again.


    Distasteful = sin to you? Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it is sin. In the Bible, women had their wedding tokens...remember the parable where Jesus said she lost one of her coins and looked diligently till she found it?

    Or what about Abraham's servant who, when he found Rebekah, put bracelets and other jewelry upon her? He lavished her with gifts of gold on behalf of his master.
  10. Some say they will not dress up for church services, for outward appearances is not what counts.

    But them we have people trying to make markup right to keep up a better outward appearance.

    They contradict their selves.

    Remember, there are no gray areas.

    God is not the author of confusion.

    1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel;

    1Ti 2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array

    Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God

    I really don't think many of you have took to heart what these verses are saying, perhaps your blinded, and or just refuse to accept what these verves are telling all of us. Perhaps its to much love for the world and its ways.

    OH, eyes are part of the face.


    We aren't going to agree that wearing makeup is sin, so I'm letting this go.
    I'm pretty certain, though, that your wife does not wear a burka to church, as the op would suggest judging by some of his quoting of the ancient men.

    You can say I'm conforming to this world by wearing makeup. You can say I'm blinded (which Ezra believes too, for the record.) I say you cannot see me and God is my master. To Him I rise or fall.
  11. 1st. To those who say this wreaks of legalism, I suppose you'd say that of modest dress and not wearing fancy expensive jewelry too.
    2nd. Those verses mention Jezebel's makeup for a REASON (extra stress on that word!!!) God didn't put that in His word as filler! He wants us to know theres a way that a harlot looks and acts.
    3rd. Beauty is vain, why not focus on clothing yourself in good works and godliness rather than worry about if your face is absolutly perfect? God didn't create us perfectly (And i'm not saying you should walk out of the house looking like you are something the "cat dragged in") and you can't justify makeup by saying "It makes me look pretty!"


    Ok, gettin ready for some attacks on meh. :hide


    Marcus, please note the focus on the eyes.

    Please note that two women on this board have been convicted of eye make-up.

    There is no disconnect there.

    Yes, a harlot looks and acts a certain way. Look at her EYES. That is why God put it there. It is not filler. She painted her eyes. Look at paintings on ancient Egyptian and Canaanitish literature. What stands out? The eyes. We are not to be that way. You cannot take things out of context to make a point.

    Marcus, you are making some pretty absolute judgments about us by telling us to focus on good works and godliness. Do you assume we do not? You assume incorrectly.

    Now, where does the Bible tell us we cannot wear jewelry? What if my wedding ring is a 1 carat diamond? Is that sin? What if my husband bought me something larger for our tenth anniversary? Is that sin?

    And we've discussed modesty in another thread, so I won't go there.

    AND I only attack you when it looks like you aren't getting your schoolwork done, young man. Or maybe I'm slapping you with a trout or something.
  12. We also put effort into training the kids to be content playing by themselves for a time. Sometimes this required letting them play where they could still see us and be within a few feet of us.

    Depending upon the child, sometimes they can be given something to do nearby that seems as if they are "doing school" with their siblings to.

    Of course, much of it depends upon the age of the child, their communication level and their level of understanding.

    Sometimes one just has to rough it through a bit of adjustment that could take from a few days to a few months to get settled.

    The main thing is, we don't "have to" keep a strict schedual and we can rearrange how our "schooling" day goes forth and gets done when necessary.

    Our own homeschooling has changed over the years as the kids have grown older, we have looked at different methods, and we have adapted and adopted what works best and dropped other aspects.

    Right now our oldest son is on a pretty set system but our youngest is on a much more flexible system.


    Up until this week, she had been quite content playing alone. I don't know. Mayhap it is due to the teeth coming in. Maybe when this is over, she will go back to her happy little self. Or ornery little self as the case may be. :bonK:
  13. Just to clarify an earlier post' date=' I was not saying God was showing you whether or not something else was wrong in this area (ie. I was not necessarily stating that all makeup is wrong and that He just hadn't shown you yet - I have not reached that conclusion), but that He may have been waiting until a later time in your walk with Him to deal more with you on this issue (to show you where to draw the line in makeup use).[/quote']

    The conviction was 21 years ago. Maybe 22.

    As I have said in another post, God has taken me to task on my appearance and I have come to the conclusion that make-up in itself is not sinful.

    The sin is (as it is in music) the application.

    Now, I will here admit that for Omega, it may be wrong. But he has seriously twisted some things to make it apply to all people. We are all to be fully persuaded in our own minds and it sounds like he is and those are the things God used for Him. However, because God has used it for him does not mean it is a broad brush for all people.


  14. My reference to the eye makeup was because of the fact that in all the verses, it seemed to be mentioning that - not other makeup.


    Exactly. Even all of the men he quoted stated it was the eyes, not the face.

    This is exactly why I stated in my first post what God had me to get rid of. It was based on the eyes. No one caught that. I do not believe the Lord wants me to dump all of my makeup or I would. He would have told me so by now in all of the fire I have been going through of late.
  15. Well, Jerry, let's throw those wedding bands away because they are jewelry.

    The Bible doesn't say it's sin. Omega took a couple of examples from the Bible and then threw in what church tradition says. If you are going to choose to use those men for make-up then why not the dress standard they imposed as well? I think you need to be consistant. Does your wife go in absolute silence to church? Veil and downcast eyes? Long flowign robe that covers everything (think burka)?

  16. tie the toddler to a chair and put him in a room nobody can hear him/her :ooops

    Just kidding.

    We have used the Abeka DVD program for that very reason. Instead of my wife having to give her undivided attention to each child, she now just monitors them. This allows her to do other things around the house.



    You mean something like this?

    duct-tape-baby.jpg
  17. The baby is officially a toddler now in her behaviour. So, when we start school, our "little pet" cannot understand why the siblings aren't playing with her. We have plenty for her to do, but she wants THEM. :cool So, she fusses and complains all morning while we are doing school.

    I need some seasoned homeschool tips or tricks to help her. My son requires my full attention until he is done, which is about 2 1/2 hours. The girls could take turns with the baby, but they won't get done what they need to, unless I can somehow rearrange their schedule and still get their schooling done.



  18. Right, and if they would pray and study their Bible they would know the answer.

    But the main problem is, that answer does not suit them.


    Alright, once again.

    When I was in college, the Lord dealt with me about make-up. There were 2 items I was using that He told me not to use anymore. Eyeliner and eyeshadow. If it was a matter of praying to know the answer, then WHY DIDN'T HE DEAL WITH IT ALL AT THAT TIME? If God told me to give it up, I would. I haven't worn eyeshadow or eyeliner since that day. I don't even look at them in the store when I go to buy my cosmetics.

    (Now, an awful lot of what Omega is teaching is tradition of men. If you agree with the part about the make-up, then you must also consent to going to church in silence with your face hidden by a veil with eyes cast down while wearing an extremely loose robe that covers your neck, arms, and feet.

    Now, I will be called out for arguing with the Word of God.)

    So, once again, why didn't He just deal with the WHOLE matter that day?
  19. I'm not saying anything is wrong with the way the man was dressed after he changed clothes.

    The problem was he did not show respect for that church.

    When I come into you home I'm suppose to show you respect and go by your wishes.

    This man showed only rebellion.


    Maybe his point was to be that those "rules" were pharisaical in nature. Making people into whited sepulchres by telling them how to dress down to what kind of glasses they could wear. Straining at gnats. I hope he preached about that.
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