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Whoa....that's not ten-year-old lingo. lol
No offense, but I really haven't got the time to read that. And I'm not saying it because I'm lazy or bored, I really don't have the time to take and read through all of that while trying to keep note of the points you are making. Could you condense what you think constitutes a true church into a few bullet points?

Well, okay.

I lived in French Lick, Indiana and the VFW there was a bar.

The local VFW for me now here in Oregon is a bar. (I will say that I did go there once, but I had an old tattered flag that needed a proper disposal, and that was the only place I could get a hold of that would take it. Other than that, I would never go in one just because they no longer have a good image.)

Thanks Seth.

Have y'all not read any of the post under this topic and the one called Baptist Bribers?

My clothes have been swimming upstream for years and I never noticed it!

sarcrew, the wife's point of view--

I don't always agree with my husband. If I feel that he is really wrong, I pray. God changes him if he's wrong.

If it turns out he isn't wrong, or it's simply a matter of submission, then I change.

He was dead set on buying a particular house. I didn't like it. I didn't feel it was the right house for us, but he wanted it. (He is all about shop space...) So, I spent a night making myself be content with where he was set on putting us.

God fixed the situation.

I have to realize that yes, his bad decisions will affect the family, but God will be faithful to the children and I and give grace.

~~Jennifer

I hope there is still rivers' date=' so we can go fishin'[/quote']



I always wondered why so many people assumed Noah didn't know what an ark was.

:back:

My thought would be there will nothing to seperate men where they live - no "sea" to divide us - no one on an "island". We will be as one people.

Wayne

Hey, now, it was starting to look like you were going to win this one, John. How did you make us all forget this thread was here?

Ban John because nobody banned him for 24 hours.

I am only 20 so take this with a grain of salt. :frog However' date=' there was a period in my life about 7-13 when I acted just the same way as you are describing, and my parents said the exact same thing as you are saying, "you must not be saved or you wouldn't act that way". I definitely was saved, but I was heavily suffering from carnality. I used to lie through my teeth about homework, sneak food constantly, and often was as rotten as I could get away with to my siblings. :ooops I was good enough at it that I was caught no more than 5% of the time. When I was, I was spanked big time but honestly it only made me mad(not that I am saying that one shouldn't spank), especially if my mother spanked me. I really resented being disciplined by my mother for no real good reason I can think of. Dads was always worse but I didn't mind as much. Of course when I was caught I claimed that they always caught me as well. :ooops They bought it big time to, to the point that my mother once told me that she "always" caught me because God showed her when ever I was doing something I shouldn't. :ooops I did suffer from occasional twinges of guilt since I knew I was wrong but I mostly shrugged it off(read quenched the Spirit). Finally after several years I began feeling truly miserable about it, I was still getting away with far more than they knew but I was feeling worse and worse about it to the point I was wondering if maybe they were right and I wasn't saved. Thats when I started getting more serious with God. :Green After considerable prayer and agony of spirit the Lord showed me that I was indeed saved but I had regularly quenched the Spirit to the point that my conscience was rather well seared. He had to really prick me good to get my attention. :ooops However he did and by his grace I started to act a little better at home. Through it all though I had been as good as gold at church an no one there had a clue what a rotten little boy I was at home :roll . Matter of fact I was what amounted to "Sunday school teachers pet" since I knew most of the answers and always seemed so well behaved(looks can be deceiving). All this to say that while it is certainly possible that she is not saved it is by no means certain. If she is God will bring her around sooner or later. :Green[/quote']

So, Seth, were you saved at this time or not? Your story seems to ring pretty close to the truth in my situation.

That always smacks of emotionalism over anything else to me. We cannot help but let our emotions get involved because it is our nature, but we shouldn't be working the emotional up at the expense of the discerning spirit.

Ban John because it's 9:30 and I have to go into Portland today.

(She's still young, John. You have to forgive her moments of insanity.)

Can you put too much bluing on the thing?

In 1993, my parents moved me out here to Oregon from Indiana. My parents just got over the St. Louis bridge over the Mississippi R. and they closed the bridge from the flooding.

I asked her about the sneak eating once. She said she eats when she's sad or lonely.

I told her that the better thing to do would be to come to us at those times. She's doing a bit better but still is very unpredictable. She keeps herself up at night thinking "what if" thoughts. I try to get her to focus on things we know to be true and prayer for others, but she is very self-focused. She doesn't realize even when she's being to rough with the baby until we forcibly take the baby from her. She doesn't seem to hear us when we tell her.

Is she done cleaning that rifle yet?

It would be nice to see an old-fashioned thunder boomer, but my kids would probably freak out and run to hide under the sofa. :lol:

I'll wait for an answer with you. But what about the Wesley's? Could they baptize?

I have been in churches where women say amen pretty loudly, others where they say it quietly, and still others where the women wave a hanky instead of saying amen. There are women in our church who will occasionally say amen -usually these are older women, and or women who have been in charismatic churches.

Personally, I don't feel comfortable saying amen. I don't even feel comfortable waving a hanky (I think that's too much of an attention getter, rather than affirming what the preacher is saying). So I just usually nod my head. I don't know that I would go so far as to say it's sin, but I do lean towards it being inappropriate.

Okay, I'm thinking about all of this and praying. Keep talking, though.

We aren't southerners here in Oregon, but some of our folks call our pastor Brother.

There has only been one preacher in my life, and that was the elder Dr. Voegtlin. Everyone else is Pastor.

Jerry, I am, frankly, having difficulty following you. First you say that only the local church has the authority. Then you say certain local churches deserve to have their members re-baptized because they have no authority.

Well, what is it? Either re-baptize them all or don't.

There is no reason NOT TO accept the baptism of another local church if it was done correctly. They had the authority to do it. You can accept their authority. When the early church saints moved from place to place as they were driven by persecution, do you find in church history that they re-baptized every one of them because the previous church didn't have the authority anymore once they moved?

If I moved from Brother Timothy's church where I was baptized originally to Brother Titus' church...would I have to be re-baptized?