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There are a number of ways to approach this question, but the one I would want to take is the "judge not that ye be not judged" route. Clearly, we are going to like (and love) some people more than we do others for all sorts of subjective, unbiblical, irrational, and very personal reasons. Clearly, our opinions about other people and other believers are going to be far wide of the mark in many cases, because we can't possibly know what is in another persons' heart to the degree of making such close judgments. That doesn't mean that we are not responsible for being "judgmental" to a certain degree for practical reasons (as, for example, deciding on the right church, deciding with whom we may or may not associate, staying away from people who are "trouble", etc.). However, it seems to me that if even Samuel could not figure out whom God had picked out of all of Jesse's sons because "for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart", then it will be very hard for the rest of us to come to know whom God esteems more than others (or less, etc.). Through spiritual common sense and through continued spiritual growth we may get better at this by degrees, and it is true that there are some people who seem to have special "gifts of discernment" in this regard, but even as far as we ourselves are concerned it is really better to take Paul's advice and "judge nothing before the time" (1Cor.4:4-6). On that great day of days, Jesus will make clear whose work has been golden, and whose has been stubble.

Love,
Madeline

Hello Jeremy. Thought for a minute you were my brother calling yourself "Bum"

Welcome to OB

I was on one panel. It was an assault case. The defendant's daughter thought she was such hot stuff testifying on her dad's side of the story, but she did the most damage to his case!

She got done and sat back down in the courtroom, and then proceeded to give us the nastiest looks. We had the judge bar her from the courtroom! :bonK:

Just that. If you have, you can share about a trial you served as a juror on. But don't feel that you must.

Okay, I ask because I know someone who is looking at this family wondering why they can't be this blessed and they are faithful to church...blah blah blah.

If that person didn't believe that God is a harsh taskmaster, they would be out of church months ago.

But now the person looks at that family and sees that nothing bad is happening to them in spite of the husband's problems.

I have not any way of explaining why this is just stupid.

Frankly, it's not potty-training. It's parent training. I don't have the kind of time to sit and figure out when my 2 day old needs to be held over a toilet. I know that parents who use it love it, but it's not for me.

1 Corinthians 7:14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else

ya' date=' so did I. I refused it and then was given a new date to appear. I can't do the new date either, now I'm not sure what to do as there is no reply back with this one. :puzzled:[/quote']

I don't know, but I'll pray for you, too!

Esteem...hmmm...Well first of all, holding others in esteem is good practice for humility.

However, when their actions become detestable (like living in unconfessed/unrepented sin) you cannot fellowship with them anymore, and they have willingly chosen to set aside any esteem others may have felt for them. It becomes more of a pitying, sorrow thing instead.

Those I know who have chosen to alienate themselves from godly living are merely things I shake my head at and hope and pray they change.

There is no reason to be rude to anyone, even in if they are in the pity state.

Certain classical composers all had Bible themes behind their music.

Since your ability is from God, I think that you can bring honor to God in the very least by honing and practicing your talent.

next month. I need it to be deferred until the last part of June.

1. I'm still nursing the baby
2. I'm homeschooling.

Please pray that I will get my deferrment.

praying.

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

It says they put it away. To put something away assumes possession. Some put away and 20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; names two men who were included in that putting away.

I believe they were saved. An unbeliever can't make shipwreck of his faith because he hasn't got a ship yet. They chose to lose their ships and began blaspheming God by their way of living. As Jerry first stated, there are ways in which we live that causes the HIS NAME to be blasphemed.

Jerry, please I asked that rebutals about my opinion be put in the proper thread. This thread is for your opinions of this verse - not your opinions of my opinion - please - else what is the point.

Wayne

EMT's---Rescue the Perishing
Day Laborer--Work for the night is coming
football player--far off I see the goal (from cyberhymnal)


those are funny, thanks for the giggle

My wife called me pastor at church and Ed at home. I call my pastor "Pastor". No last name needed and in my opinion no first name out of respect for him and his position. Though I am a little old fashion' date=' I believe it to be disrespectful to the position of pastor to call him by his first name. Off topic a little, but children should never be allowed to call an adult by their first name either.[/quote']

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ewww? Any peat bog men?

Ban Madeline because I never get off work. :frog

Hey Janet, have you ever visited the Everglades? My daughter is doing a map study right now and is wondering about them. Why are they called "Everglades"

If someone comes to our church, wants to join my letter or statement, if they do not have a scriptural baptism by a scriptural church, they will either submit to baptizing or never become a member of our church.

Apart from baptism being commanded there are real reasons to practice re-baptism and not accept alien baptism.

no rain here. that's unusual. This summer has been a pretty normal one, though. Some might call it global warming because it's been cooler than the past couple of summers, but I remember it being like this the first couple of years I lived here.

The kids' pool only got used a couple of weeks this summer. Poor lonely thing. We need to drain it.

Alright, my reply to one part of Jerry808's posting. It's long for some reason.

For instance among the SBC ranks there may well be a few who teach and preach what we would consider proper doctrine (such as the example above) but what about the alignment of the SBC as a whole?

~~Accepting baptism does not mean you are aligning yourself with anyone. It means what took place was done according to the Scriptures. It does not mean you condone anything else they do. If someone wants to join your church and you make them get re-baptized, you are telling them that basically anything they did before they met you was worthless. At least that?s how I would read it.



How will you protect your church body from the wolves that move from congregation to congregation? Many of you are saying to ask the individual if they were scripturally baptized by immersion after they believed as if no one would ever lie to a pastor or deacon.

~~As if no one ever lied to you in your days as pastor. People lie. That?s what they do. They are sinners, saved or not. God will judge. Do you monitor what people watch on television and listen to on the radio as well? There are wolves there. How about what they read? There are wolves there.

~~You protect your people from wolves by preaching the whole counsel of God. You preach the truth every Sunday. When you get wind of a contrary doctrine floating about, you preach about it. You speak directly with the person spouting it. If necessary, if the offender is in a teaching position, you remove him from said position.

When you accept any churches baptism you place yourself in position of allowing disgruntled and wicked elements into your membership and I might add the pastor will have to give an account for every individual in his congregation. Hebrews 13:17

~~ Our church accepts baptisms from other churches. Guess what? I have yet to see disgruntled members and/or troublemakers from other churches. Granted, I am not in leadership at this time, but most people who come are happy to have found a church that doesn?t have contemporary services and are glad to use a hymnal again. Others have come because they have transferred to the area with a job and want a like-minded church.

Baptism has nothing to do with salvation and we would all agree with that statement but has everything to do with obedience and membership in the local body of believers. It is viewed as much the same as circumcision in the days of the Jewish nation. Now I don?t want to be crude here none the less I will ask this question and let your mind answer it. How do you know if someone is circumcised?

~~What does knowing someone is circumcised have to do with something public like baptism?

~~The body of Christ is made up of believers. Believers from one church are as much a part of the body of Christ as the believers from another church. We are all one body. If I am baptized by one church, then technically, the whole body has witnessed the baptism.

Is not the answer simply that you would have to see or be told by credible witnesses that it is so? How do you know one has been obedient to the faith in baptism? You must see it or accept the credible testimony of someone who has seen it.

~~Is your church the only church that has credible witnesses? Then God have mercy upon our souls. Our churches are filled with lying scum. Do you automatically assume that when one says he was Scripturally baptized he is a liar? Thanks a lot for your vote of confidence in my integrity.

Sheesh, that?s enough for now.

Yea, Madeline, I got to say, I think your last post paints a picture skewed from reality (not to mention a few logical fallacies in there :smile ).

First, I am a big fan of teaching while you preach. I would rather err on the side of lecture, then emotional preaching, but, (and a year ago, I may not have said this) preaching is not just teaching. Jay Adams goes a little far in my estimation, but you should pick up "Preaching with Purpose" (its cheep and relatively short) to see what I am referring to. The purpose of preaching is not just to teach, but to teach in such a way that people are moved by the Holy Spirit to respond. Real "text book teaching" would never give practical application.

I would also say that the attitudes you describe of pastor's and people are an unfair characterization of reality. Most people say amen when they especially agree with a point. That does not mean they do not agree with the rest of the point, just that that one stand out. There are people who can't go 5 seconds during a sermon without saying A-men. I find that distracting, but I do not know that person's heart.

All in all, I think you are taking it too far.

Husbands and wives literally throwing bibles at each others faces....