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  1. Hambone, Please forgive me for my somewhat arrogant answer. I have seen others insert similar questions in order to Hijack a thread and espouse their own doctrine. Please accept my apology. :ooops orvals
  2. Since Hambone does not seem to know how to start a thread I will start it for him and move my answer from another thread to here. The question seems to be why do we worship on Sunday and not the Saturday? Hambone, John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. 1 Corinthians 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. Twice we read that the disciples assembled on the first day of the week and lastly we are told that they gave to the Lord on the first day of the week. If you want to worship on Saturday that is fine with me go for it. orvals
  3. I am reading Gnosis the nature and history of Gnosticism by Kurt Rudolf 1980 orvals
  4. In a response that takes us a little way apart from the original post I have thought many times in the past few years about true mormons who try to keep six months supply of food in their homes and what effect that will have on those who are redeemed during the tribulation period. As a matter of fact my wife and I are planning 'during our garage renovation' in placing packets of dried seeds and canned goods within our garage walls trusting that omniscient and omnipresent Lord will use them to help believers during the tribulation period. As odd as it seems perhaps someone will read this post during the tribulation period and know that there is a possibilty that within the walls of our home God may have provided help for food and hope for the despondent to continue on. orvals
  5. I am not completely sure of the grammar construction in Revelation 14:9 but the conjunctions 'and' lead me to believe that it is not just the mark of the beast in question but also the worshipping of the man and his image in conjunction with the mark. Revelation 14:9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand. And the same conjunctions are listed in Revelation 20:4 Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Therefore I would not be to quick to condemn those who take the mark to hell. While the mark could be given in ignorance to a child or taken in ignorance not realizing the ramifications of the action. Worship leads me to believe that the beast has sold himself to the participant as being god (small g) and his image is likely a small statue like an idol. God's mercy endures forever and if it were to change during the tribulation how can we say that God is immutable or unchangeable but if someone worships the beast as God then they have rejected God and are therefore cast into hell not as a condition of what they believed but as a condition of rejectiong Christ? Psalms 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. I do hope this does not turn into a can of worms it is simply a thought to consider. :ideas: Orvals

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