PunkJohnnyCash

I am reading The Normal Christian Life by Watchman Nee. It is phenomenal, I strongly suggest it.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchman_nee[/url]

YHWH is a transliteration of ???? which is Yod he vAV he, essentially. It is used throughout the Old Testament. It was ???? before the birth of Christ. And it was before 1611. YHWH is used in Jewish to English translations often. The irony is that W has no equivalency in Hebrew prior to Modern Hebrew which is a double vav, that did not occur . So If we want to bring the word from the Old Testament perhaps a better translation would be YHVH. It is often translated to English with words like Jehovah, LORD, or God. it is first seen in ?????? Genesis 3:14. Vowel placement alters throughout texts. In ?????? Genesis 3:14 the vAV has a Quames under it for the Vowel which would sound roughly like "vah". When I learned Hebrew it was taught as YHWH. I took the spelling from my Biblia Hebrica Stuttgartensia.

I do not wish to upset or negate. I will show respect by sticking with the King James. I read the King James often. It was all I read for over a decade simply because I owned only King James bibles. I do not care for the NIV. I tend to prefer an NASB or ESV when it comes to English. I also realize that anything in English is a man's interpretation. I know many may get angry, and I do not wish to persuade you to that belief. I do however wish to state that It is my belief that God has given us over to depravity for removing entire books from the bible. The scripture at the time of the Early Church was accepted with Suzanna, Judith, the Maccabees, Tobit and Wisdom. The King James was translated also with them. There seems to be a complete rejection which I do not support of these books. I have read much on canonization and have only come to the conclusion that Man has decided that his wisdom and doctrines supersede those of God. I also see an attack often on the basic word of God presented in the Old Testament in order to fit into a more modern culture to make being a part of this culture more convenient. It seems that many feel Jesus came to nullify the word of God when in fact he came to Fulfill the Word of God. Many think that his fulfillment has released them from any faithfulness to the Word of God.

And He's called the Father. Father. Not mother. And Jesus came as a man, not a woman. If God had intended to be androgynous, I doubt He would have referred to Himself in the male gender (king, prince, father, etc).

I see your point. I know many good Godly black women. However, I will tell you that they know God is a man. :smile

Ben Hayim was about 14th or 15 th century, so the texts there were modern interpretations. Rudolf Kittel was even more modern he was like the 20th century, so any texts he is attributed to I put little stock into. The Tanakh with the Torah, Nevium, and Ketuvim would have been without vowels. Ben Asher was the one who kind of ironed out and defined a vowel system and that was circa 10th century. All other vowel usages kind of fell into place after Ben Asher. Ben Hayim would be using the systems set in place by Ben Asher. Still to this day little Hebrew uses these "dots and tiddles" Hebrew is kind of a hobby of mine so when you read any modern Hebrew via computer even you are not shown any vowels. I notice the largest usage of vowels around biblical Hebrew almost as an attempt to avoid misinterpretation. That being said, much of the Old Testament or at least the Pentateuch or the Torah seems to be originally derived from oral tradition leading back to at least three sources all seem to project certain qualities and values in the scripture. Most notably in the Pentateuch is a Priestly source that seems to stick with the laws of the Jews.

It was when Moses saw the burning bush when G-d introduced himself as YHWH. This was how He referred to Himself. Happy Christian pointed that out earlier.

Actually' date=' Yahweh is NOT God's name in the OT - it is Jehovah. Yahweh is a name created by higher critics about 200 years ago. It was their attempt in using a corrupted text with no vowels to fill in the vowels on their own. ALL the other OT names with the same root word all have JEHO at the start of them, not YAH. Ie. Jehoshaphat, Jehoiakim, Jehoshua, etc. None of them say, Yahoshaphat, Yahoiakim, Yahoshua, etc.[/quote']

No, the old testament was written without vowels. Nobody took them out the language did not use them. The earliest use I am aware of was Moses Ben Aaron Ben Asher who made evolved advances in the Hebrew language. Hebrew does not use vowels, so how can you take them out? Every bible was taken from a bible that had no vowels. Now something like the Septuagint (the 70) would have vowels back then because it was translated into Greek, and by the time of the early church translations like that was more widely accepted 2000 years ago.

Passages like those found in 1 Timothy which seem to say women should keep shut are greatly taken out of context. First off we have forgotten the history and circumstances in which they were going on. Secondly we tend to cling to those few fragments in opposition to the rest of scripture which clearly states otherwise. We see Priscilla teaching Paul. We have examples of Women teaching. We see the new testament which is set in one of the most extremely sexist societies and men like Paul who may not seem like it in today's culture, but he was extremely progressive on these roles for his time. We are also given glimpses of Jesus himself breaking these sexist cultural oppressions. Specifically when he conversed with a gentile woman asking her questions and hearing her perspective and opinion when he asked about leaving the scraps for the dogs.

Most of the concept of women being less before God is nothing more than a sexist cultural creation of the world which we try to fit into the bible. It is yet another example of doctrine being corrupted by culture and not God.

We throw out occurrences of history when reading scripture like the Cult of Isis and say that certain phrases referring to those specific points happen to transcend time and negate the rest of the Bible as a whole looking only to what will support a nice little concept of Male dominance.

I believe it is about that glorified state when we are with him. If we look the passage is full of depth, and has much profound to focus on, and looking at that one scripture without the rest seems to be an injustice. We see that we know in part and that we do not know it all or have all the answers. We see through a glass darkly. We have a clouded view. It is telling that this passage that speaks of when we shall know and see is in the love chapter. I feel this is one of the greatest passages of scripture. I read it often, and often I see where I have flawed or fallen short. It also allows me to see that I do not see all and can not comprehend all. The more I meditate on this passage the more pertinent it seems. I suggest praying and asking for insight and wisdom and reading this chapter quite a few times over the next few weeks. I get a great deal from it doing that.

I also see an extremely contextualized concept here. Scripture speaks to people on a level of their philosophy. like "In the beginning was the word" word is translated from Logos which is such a vast concept of philosophy to drive the point home to them. We see a bit of Aristotle here which was a popular concept of the day. He brings those concepts to describe the gospel and truths to people in a language they can understand. He even speaks of tongues in that chapter. Here he is using Greek and foreign culture to describe YHWH and Jesus Christ the son of YHWH. These people would have looked at him like an alien trying to describe the Jewish concept of a Messiah in certain terms they saw as alien, so there was a sense of putting it into a context they can conceive, such as the concept of the perfect and becoming whole.

The argument of Rachel holds no validity.
To say that G-d is the only one who opens and closes the womb and then say that a doctor opened a womb in itself is a contradiction. Did that Doctor take G-d's power away? No he did not. If it was G-d's desire to close her womb it would have been done.

The scripture shows nothing of a commandment against medical procedures to cure an ailment. That is building a straw man based on a cultural bias and close to xenophobia.

If anything Isaiah said to care for the widow and orphan and Jesus Christ the Messiah told us not to cast the first stone but to love him above all else and to love my neighbor as myself. This does not entail dragging their iniquities through the streets for all to scoff and scream at.

This thread is kind of disturbing, sickening and telling.

The Lord gave me a chance yesterday to do this and I can't help but feel I should have shown more friendship and compassion. I thank you all for your prayers, I need them.

Thank you all.

It is an underwhealming thing because my pride wants to say I've been called to teach, preach, lead, but no. He just wants me to be a friend. Now the worst part is I think that one little thing is harder for me than most anything.

God seems to be addressing the problem with me alot in my time I spend with him each morning. He seems to have me focusing on love and being judgmental. I was getting to a point where I was judging other Christians for their faults when all along I was having alot of the faults myself I just choose not to see them or how they were manifesting. God has shown me that I am to look inside me and not at others. This is a hard thing.

No conversation had come up about my appearance or anything else at that matter. I had just moved to the area and No conversation whatsoever had occurred I was just approached that way.

I do not tell people I regret it, I don't think I talk about it. I do not think discussing legalism of tattoos was the point.

I think the point is more or less that I have seen a large amount of discrimination in churches and I don't think the church or the Christians there see it or realize it. I feel that I am called to be there for them without judgmental eyes and comments. They don't need to walk into church to be treated like a novelty or an outcast. What people need is for someone to welcome them with open arms so they can get to know the Lord. I feel I am called to be someone to welcome them so that can occur. For all people, not just a certain type.

Instead of "Bashing Mormons" wouldn't it be more productive to show them Christ and tell them the truth. I was always taught you catch more flys with honey than vinegar.

I am not undermining your passion and belief in the KJV, but I would like to say something. I once was lost, go figure. And I would attend a little church what preached KJV only. The problem was they focused so heavily on it that I got nothing out of what they were teaching. Translation meant nothing to me. If they gave me a KJV it would have just been a bible to me. I can't help but feel that some focus too much on the topic, and not enough on other things. Also if you are preaching to a congregation that believes this also then what does the congregation gain from hearing this over and over?

[quote="kevinmiller"]
[quote]It's called the NKJV
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Not sure exactly how accurate that version is, but I know there was a professing homosexual on staff and that doesn't make me excited to try it out. :roll:[/quote]

I have a feeling the men the translated the KJV were not without sin.

I am so guilty of that also.

I sat here complaining of people that did that when all along I was doing the same in reverse. The Lord put alot of guilt and shame on me over that.

I want to give praise and ask for prayers.

I have been spending alot of time meditating on the word and praying lately. I have been led in a direction, and I believe I have been shown my calling by the Lord.

Some people are called to minister, teach, and a host of other things.

I have been called to do something that may be one of the hardest things for me to do.

I have been struggling alot with issues of acceptance, love, and being judgmental. I have seen how I have fallen short in loving everyone unconditionally.

The Lord has been speaking tome on this alot.

I have a good amount of tattoos, and look different from most people at my church. I spent some time as a homeless street punk, and then Joined the Military. I tend to be an outsider at my church, and everywhere I go. When I first stared going to my church people assumed I was not right with God, lost and on drugs because of what I assume is my tattoos. The way I was treated started to put me off but I realized I was harboring ill feelings over these things and that was my sin.

[b]Now to what my calling is:[/b]

I feel God wants me to be there for people like myself who happen to have lived in some undesirable situations, and happen to look different. I feel he has called me to be a friend to them, and someone who will make them feel at home in the church, and someone that will love them.

He wants me to be the one to show them that they can come in despite their past and who they are and be loved. I am compelled to just show love and be a friend and this may be hard for me, so please keep me in your prayers.

Awesome... sounds like a great setup.

No I didn't.

I'm an Illustrator. I also do Layout, design, etc...

So the Mac is for high graphics which would be work.

The PC I'm getting for Media like movies, Music, etc...

The reason I want a PC for it is so I can Make a little windows pro network with my other PC and the server I am attaching to. And I can fiddle with PC's easier than MACs. The PC will only have my home stereo for speakers, and My family TV for the monitor. So I can watch more stuff I have on this PC on TV.

I have one of each.

I find I like the Dell more.

I am trying to get a new Mac and a new PC both this year. Both for different things. The Mac will be for just work. The PC will be for mostly media purposes.

I have been struggling with similar issues lately.

Not just with helping enemies, but with unconditional love for all, prejudice, and being Judgmental. This here is just what I needed. I feel it is all something God wants me to be working on at this point in my life.

Thank you.