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What about the "brawling woman"?  It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house. Proverbs 21:9

Seriously, someone can be far from being the "virtuous woman" and at the same time not be a "strange woman" at all;  just exceedingly hard to live with.

On 6/29/2023 at 10:58 AM, John Young said:

I agree with what you said with exception to the first and last statement. God does call all and yet God does choose each individual based on His terms in his call and not in any arbitrary way. Notice int the following few verses. God set his parameters before time and selected his elect based on what they each did in the fullness of time.

2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

John 12:37-41 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him: 38 that the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed? 39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again, 40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them. 41 These things said Esaias, when he saw his glory, and spake of him.

Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

"you"

Again, the word "you" is plural in the King James. It is speaking to a group, not individuals. And He's telling them/us HOW He chose us to be saved.... "through sanctification of the spirit and belief of the truth". Who has to "believe the truth"? We do. 

"Ordained"

Does it say specifically that God ordained these men? No. There's more to the word "ordained" than most people seem to realize. It originally didn't have the specialized meaning of being appointed by some authority. It is possible and very common to "ordain" oneself to one thing or another. In this context these "ungodly men" set, ordered, arranged or established their lives toward evil things and condemnation. Whether we "beleive the truth" or "deny the Lord" and "ordain ourselves to lasciviousness", we decide the way we choose to go: God controls the consequences of our choices. God chose for it to be this way.

On 6/27/2023 at 8:01 AM, John Young said:

Its not Calvinism. Calvinism does not speak of humility being God's requirement nor does it speak of God's love drawing the sinner as the cause. Calvinism speaks of a lucky ticket system that is unknowable to the recipient, who must receive it regardless of their will. Biblically Salvation is all of God choosing and drawing to himself those he chooses by knowable processes. It speaks of both HE and the ones he choses being active and willing participants in the call.

Neither Romans 9, nor any other passage in the Bible speaks of God drawing or choosing individuals for salvation. Not only that, but the terms "election" and "predestination" are always used with plural pronouns (for instance, the word "You" is a plural pronoun in the King James) God chose that His people would be "elect" and he chose that His people would be "predestinated" to be conformed to the image of Christ. Jesus said:  ^And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will "draw" ALL men unto me." John 12:32. And He says that He is not willing that any should perish but that ALL should come to repentence. Again, God's will is to draw all men and to bring them all to repentence: He does not choose individuals for salvation.