BobOwen

When she goes against the Dad she automatically gets a hair yank!!!

She is being bad! No thanks to MC1171611 (Vincent Price) Hahahahaha!! :lol:

I don't like Windows anymore...I want a Mac!!!

For the record!! Doc H. I back you up 100% on Dr. Ruckman. As for Jerry80871852 leave my daughter Kathie alone. I have been behind Dr Ruckman since 1994 when my curiosity after hearing several Pastors and lay people who had been under Dr. Ruckman back years ago talked about the Doc.

I asked one day who was the Doc. and Pastor Brad Frisen gave me has autobiography to read. I read it and got to hear some messages from him as well. That is not where my start on getting the issue of the KJ Bible right. It started from Pastor Steve Stergeon in Dillion Montana. I also heard Dr. Sam Gipp before I ever heard Dr. Ruckman's name.

I also drove 5 hours to hear and meet him in person just to see if he was this evil person. He is not!! I've seen other Pastors that are worst then him by far.

Everyone who ever went to PBI should be lost and going to hell according to your posts!!
No wonder the Mormons, Jeovy Witnesses , and the cults have a time with us.

By all means we should never be attacking a Pastor publicly I have seen what can happen first hand people get hurt. Like a pastor once told me to my face God will chop your head off.

Bro Bob Owen
Kathie's dad

Well I have always been a geek. I hung out with them in school. The problem is that before most of you kids were born all we had new on the market was a digital watch made by HP.
That was in 1978 I was a sophmore and that was when fuel for cars was about 48cents a gallon.
After school was over in 1980 that all changed with video arcades. I went crazy with boredoom and could get lost playing them.
I spent over $20.00 on one game trying to conquer it. Cobra Mission a helicopter game.

Bro. Bob Owen

Ok ... mine is simple

My real name is Bobbie Auther Owen. I'm 45 but feel that my state of mind has not left me any older than 19 or 20.
Let me explain a little. I was 15 or 16 when I asked my 87 year old grandfather how old he felt and he said to me if his knees were not so sore he felt mentally 30 year old.
I enjoy staying young at heart. Sometimes my age gets me down but my girls say I don't act my age.
I was saved in 1971 and rededicated my life to the Lord on July 16th 1981 when I was 19. I have not always lived up to par but I have always loved the Lord.

TO all:

A big Praise the Lord because of my stand on the book and my testimony online on the two bible sites that I'm on. A lady from the church I was saved in 1971 when I was nine found me and wanted to get ahold of Pastor Bill Melton's son Billy whom I have been friends with for over 36 years.
We live in a very small world...

Bro. Bob Owen

Pastor Mitch,

Where in the Bible does sin get a degree with being "public"?

Do the ten commandments become "public"? If adultery is a public sin then so is "bearing false witness" and "coveting" and so on and so on?

[b]The following is from Webster:
BLA'MELESS, a. Without fault; innocent; guiltless; not meriting censure. [/b]Your wrote the following:
Blameless does not mean sinless. If it did, then there would be no preachers at all. The connotation of blameless means that no one can lay blame on a person. Therefore, a pastor should be a man that no human can find fault with. That doesn't mean perfection, but the pastor has not committed a "public" sin that would damage the reputation of our Lord Jesus Christ.

[b]If a man has nothing to that no one can lay blame on then that man is perfect.... RIGHT??
Your telling me that if a man was called to preach he can never be a pastor if any "public" sin can be posted on him ...right??[/b]

I'm not accusing anyone of sinning in their heart. The bible says we have all sinned and come short of the glory of God! I would be the first one to tell you and all who I have ever taught or talked to about my life ... yes I admit to those sins that I know men as humans fall into. I will not be in front of Christ at judgment blaming others for my downfall. I will be thanking the Lord for His Mercy on my life and I'm sorry I did not do more for Him!!
He is hope of doing right but I'm still a human and that is what is the biggest trip in my life.

My Quote:
All the men who preach who went to PBI are not qualified to preach because they were taught by a sinner and a man who was faulty.

you wrote:
I didn't say this. However, if the instructor is teaching error, and the men under him continue to spread that error, then they are faulty and should be removed from the pastorate, because they are no longer "blameless."

[b]Please call these pastors and let them know this is the stand of this forum and that they need to quit the ministry... ok especially Dr. Sam Gipp
here is the list:

James Modlish
Steve Stergeon
Doug Fisher
Rick DeMichele
Rick Sowell
Brad Frisen
Ken Blue
John Paisley
Tim Shanks
John Haveman
Chuck Schlink
Nick Serino
Ron Robinson [/b]

Later,
Bro. Bob Owen

PS Sorry that my speech is not the best. I did not graduate from school and according to many I'm just ignorant and unlearned ... that is what a pastor called me in Oregon.

JJJ,
do you read my posts?

Here is what I said:
Pastor Ron Robinson was my Pastor in Oregon long ago. I heard about the gap theory from him first. Matter of fact I even after the sermon that he mention it he showed it to me. He is a good friend of our family I've watch his kids grow up. I was introduced to him after I heard a message from Pastor Steve Stergeon about the King James Bible.

Pastor Ron was Pastored under Lester Roloff not Dr. Ruckman.

Did I say I heard the gap theory from Dr. Ruckman? Nope!!
Did I say I beleieved the gap theory? Nope!!

I've not seen in scripture any thing to say it is not true either. I don't think it is poison to hear from the list of Pastors I listed earlier??

Pastor Mitch,

Did you read my previous posts about Ruckman. I"M NOT A RUCKMANITE!!! Dr. Ruckman has had only 2 ex wifes and he is still in good heath for a man over 80.

A lot of Pastors don't get it. I was introduced to the King James Bible from Pastor Steve Sturgeon first. Then we found a great Bible Believing Church over a hour drive away from our home which we made the trip every week the Pastor by the name of Ron Robinson. Then we met Sam Gipp and family twice in two years. After Sam left the second time I kept hearing him and others around our church talk about the Doc or Dr. and PBI. THen I asked who they were talking about. Pastor Brad Frisen and Bro. Paul Huddlestun said you did not know about Dr. Ruckman. They gave me his autobiography and I read it. Also some of his messages.

So you are totally blameless too?? Never sinned huh? Sounds like those who say they are like the Nazarene.

BLA'MELESS, a. Without fault; innocent; guiltless; not meriting censure.

Without fault anything folks!!! Men have you ever slept with a lady before marriage? According to the Book your married. The bible says if you have KNOWN a women you have been joining flesh with flesh.

The modern tradition is our wedding ceremonies not what the Bible calls a marriage.

So God does not forgive people. All men must be perfect for them to be any part of the ministry.

All the men who preach who went to PBI are not qualified to preach because they were taught by a sinner and a man who was faulty.

Eat, drink, and be merry because there is not a faultless man on earth!!

Bro. Bob Owen
who Pastor Mitch does not know!!

Amie Jo

Let me clear up one more thing. I made a copy of Kent Hovind videos years agon and gave them to Ron and his family as well as 20 other people. I know that after we watch that series how Kent showed in scripture and his opinion most of us changed our stand a bit. Dr. Gipp still belives the gap theory I believe.

There is a lot of good teaching at PBI. I just wish that I heard it long ago.

Bro. Bob Owen

[b]bibleworm

Pastor Ron Robinson was my Pastor in Oregon long ago. I heard about the gap theory from him first. Matter of fact I even after the sermon that he mention it he showed it to me. He is a good friend of our family I've watch his kids grow up. I was introduced to him after I heard a message from Pastor Steve Stergeon about the King James Bible.
The other Pastors that were in my previous post were told to me from him. I even have heard some of Ron and Mary talk about Pastor Lester Roloff. I found Pastor Ron's good friend Pastor Les Sears years later after Ron told me he was looking for him here in California.
Ask Ron and Mary about Bob Owen and family and you will find out that we were good friends of theirs.

Just pointed this out in case you thought I was slamming Pastor Ron Robinson. If it had not been for him I would not have even heard of Dr. Ruckman or Dr. Sam Gipp (who I'm good friends with)[/b]

JJJ
Have anyone one here ever MET Dr. Ruckman??

Nope .... [b]Well I have and I will not judge him because he was called to preach![/b]

Have you ever called him and ask him a question??

Nope .... [b]I have and I have heard others ask him about his marriages on the radio[/b]

Have you ever heard his complete testimony from him in his own words???

Nope ....[b]Again I have read his testimony and heard him three times about his testimony.[/b]

Have anyone here had a parent divorce another parent?? [b]I have had my dad divorce my mom twice and after the first time he almost died twice. He was a very strong man and was taken down to nothing with heart disease. After the second divorce he was almost homeless. Then he remarried and had to live with heart failure till he died last year.[/b]

1 Timothy 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

[b]Yes I know my scripture. Let me correct you on some things about the divorces of Dr. Ruckman. First marriage he never got the divorce his ex wife failed to get it granted in lower court and she took it to the Supreme Court of Alabama and she lost. She also lost all rights to alimony because she was found to have tried to defraud the court in filing false accusations against him. The second marriage his wife tried for 12 years to destroy him by getting the church against him and almost succeeded by doing so. When confronted she lied then in front of the whole church in 1988 she confessed that she lied and stated in front of all present that she was the one that wanted to still divorce him. I have heard from 4 eyewitness accounts of this event before I read it or heard the Dr. speak of it.[/b]

Has anyone here read your Bible in your life time over 200 times cover to cover?? [b]that most Christians who say they stand by the book don't know it enough to judge anyone!![/b]

Satan knows the scriptures pretty well too. So what does this prove?

Has anyone here tithed over 25%? [b]Dr. Ruckman has given always above he has ever need or had to give. Can you live on $30 a week and had God bless you.[/b]

What I tithe is between God and I, but it usually is more then what you are asking.

Has anyone here heard of the following:
James Modlish
Steve Stergeon
Doug Fisher
Rick DeMichele
Rick Sowell
Brad Frisen
Paul Huddlestun
Ken Blue
John Paisley
Tim Shanks
John Haveman
Chuck Schlink
Nick Serino
Ron Robinson
and on and on and on ....

Nope, are those country singers? Don't listen to that kind of music...
These are all KJV only preachers look them up ... and they are not friends of David Cloud

Did any of you cut out Psalms 51 yet out of your Bible?

Nope. ... [b]King David had a man killed had adultery with a married women and still was king. Why did God allow any more Psalms in the Bible after all his sins. Why did not God take Song of Solomon out too. Why did he let Solomon stay king? God is not us and He his more mercy than all of us combined.[/b]

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Bro Bob Owen

[b]I'm not a "Ruckmanite" but I would stand up for what God has placed before us. My dad divorced my mom and got heart disease from it and lived a short life. Dr. Ruckman's wives divorced him and he did all that was humanly possible to reconciled and they still divorced him. God should have had him killed according to standard procedure. Why is he still going?????
I was warned 18 years ago not to speak against a pastor or evangelist because God would chop my head off. I'm just not going to trust man just God![/b]

Kitagrl

Yes I know what that scripture says.

How are relating this to what I was asking?

[b]Have anyone one here ever MET Dr. Ruckman??
Have you ever called him and ask him a question??
Have you ever heard his complete testimony from him in his own words???

Have anyone here had a parent divorce another parent??

Has anyone here read your Bible in your life time over 200 times cover to cover??

Has anyone here tithed over 25%?

Has anyone here heard of the following:
James Modlish
Steve Stergeon
Doug Fisher
Rick DeMichele
Rick Sowell
Brad Frisen
Paul Huddlestun
Ken Blue
John Paisley
Tim Shanks
John Haveman
Chuck Schlink
Nick Serino
Ron Robinson
and on and on and on ....

Did any of you cut out Psalms 51 yet out of your Bible?

Bro Bob Owen[/b]