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JJJ4given

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  1. Hello InTruth. Thanks for joining the discussion. Just wanted to elaborate a little more on what the Holy Ghost has revealed to me on these verses. There are certainly consequences for all of our actions, some temporary, some permanent. Good rewards for a life of faith, and no reward for a life of carnality. I'll give you a bit of the background on Hebrews that might help to expand the understanding of this book. Imagine you are part of a congregation in the first century that consists mostly of Hebrews. You are also a Hebrew. You remember how before the new covenant came(the new
  2. Don't know why you're sorry, seeing we agree on this point(no Holy Spirit- no salvation). If you read carefully what I said, I was making the point that Saul was saved before and after the Holy Ghost came onto him and, in the same fashion, departed from him. The Holy Ghost coming on someone to grant them the ability to perform an otherwise impossible task is very different from the Holy Ghost indwelling the believer. Like you, I would agree that the Holy Ghost isn't going to come onto a non-believer. If you wish to examine this more, read about the guy who made the ark of the covenant(Exo
  3. Robycop, Let's try this again. -We both agree that Hebrews 6 is dealing with believers. It is dealing with people who are saved. -However, you are contending that it is implying a loss of eternal life. You have yet to provide any scriptural backing with the verses surrounding Hebrews 6 to prove your case. -I am contending that Hebrews 6, is to be taken in context with the whole book(Hebrews). Since the whole book is dealing again and again with a walk of faith in the new covenant, and brings up examples that deal with a loss of inheritance as the consequence for not doing so, th
  4. Robycop, That's just peachy that you believe all those things. However, if you wish to have others believe the same as you, then please provide some sort of evidence in the scriptures to make a case for what you believe. I have provided Hebrews 12 dealing with Esau as clear evidence that Hebrews 6 is contextually dealing with inheritance and not eternal life. Can you find something in Hebrews closer to Hebrews 6 that would show to the contrariwise? If not, then I believe this discussion is pretty well come to a finale. As always, I invite you or anyone else for that matter to prove me w
  5. Concerning Saul, that verse needs to be understood contextually with 1 Samuel 10:6-10. Samuel told Saul that the Spirit of the Lord would come upon him and he would prophesy as the prophets. Nothing to do with salvation, brother. If it wasn't referring to salvation in 1 Samuel 10:6-10, then it certainly wasn't referring to a loss of salvation in 1 Samuel 16:14. Context is important. Suppose you would say 1 Samuel 10 was referring to salvation. This would make you a Calvinist also since Samuel would then be telling Saul that he's going to get saved and how it's going to happen. What choi
  6. Missionary Baptists are not necessarily Calvinists, though there are some that call themselves such that are Calvinist. To prove my point, I will take a website of a Missionary Baptist church and quote them. This is not one I know or belong to by the way, just did a google and clicked the first one: http://pluto.matrix49.com/15361/?subpag ... aith.shtml VIII-THE GRACE OF REGENERATION We believe that in order to be saved, sinners must be regenerated or born again (John 3:3, 6-7; I Cor. 2:14; II Cor. 5:17; Tit. 3:5); that regeneration consists in giving a holy disposition to the mind (Deu
  7. King Saul went to hell? Can you validate that theory with scriptures? Also, can you confirm for me that Judas Iscariot was a partaker of the Holy Ghost? Thanks!
  8. Let me be more clear. I believe fully that eternal life is ETERNAL. However, I do not believe Hebrews 6:4-6, or the book of Hebrews, for that matter, is dealing with eternal life. I believe it is addressed to those who ALREADY have eternal life. Furthermore, this is not signifying a loss of eternal life, but a loss of INHERITANCE. Let's look further in the book to see if this holds true. We go on to read in chapter 12 about Esau who "for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of
  9. You are going under the assumption that Hebrews 6:4-6 is referring to eternal life. However, there is no indication of that. Your view of this passage especially loses ground when taking into consideration that Hebrews does not even talk about eternal life, not just in chapter 6, but through the whole book! Secondly, the pronouns are plural(i.e. they, them, their, etc.). That is significant since the book of Hebrews is addressing Hebrews in Christ's New Testament church who are considering going back to the old covenant worship instead. If they had fallen away and returned to the old,
  10. We weren't talking about Acts 3. We were talking about Acts 2. Also, Acts 3 makes no mention of breaking of bread. However, in Acts 2 it says they continued in those things. Not just had a feast on some holiday as you would infer: Acts 2:42
  11. The scriptures is what clarifies that: 1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
  12. All the times this phrasing is used in the four gospels, is with the bread in the Lord's hands and he is doing the breaking of it. In fact, that is how Cleopas and the disciple with him recognized who Jesus was after he was resurrected. The breaking of bread is symbolic of the breaking of his body. Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, i
  13. The scriptures gives the proper order: Acts 2 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. 39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. 40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation. 41 (1st)Then they that gladly received his word (2nd)were baptized: and the same day there were (3rd)added unto them about thr
  14. [quote="BobOwen"] Pastor Mitch, Where in the Bible does sin get a degree with being "public"? Do the ten commandments become "public"? If adultery is a public sin then so is "bearing false witness" and "coveting" and so on and so on? [/quote] The issue here is not about "public" sin. The issue is about qualifications for a certain position of serving in the church. Pastor is a position in the church. God said the "man of one wife". Laid it out pretty simple. The man may be forgiven. But that still doesn't change the qualifications for being a pastor. He doesn't meet the qual
  15. [quote="Bakershalfdozen"] [color=#a30000]What is so deadly about the gap theory is that it is a compromise for Christians who try to reconcile what the Bible says with what evolutionists say. Evolution is a false religion; it is not science. The gap theory is 100% wrong. God says He created everything in 6 literal days. Period.[/color] [/quote] You beat me to it. :lol: I type too slow.
  16. [quote="BobOwen"] JJJ, do you read my posts? Here is what I said: Pastor Ron Robinson was my Pastor in Oregon long ago. I heard about the gap theory from him first. Matter of fact I even after the sermon that he mention it he showed it to me. He is a good friend of our family I've watch his kids grow up. I was introduced to him after I heard a message from Pastor Steve Stergeon about the King James Bible. Pastor Ron was Pastored under Lester Roloff not Dr. Ruckman. Did I say I heard the gap theory from Dr. Ruckman? Nope!! Did I say I beleieved the gap theory? Nope!! I've not
  17. Did you know that rat poisoning is 98% corn meal? 98% of it is good stuff. It's just the 2% poison that makes it bad. You may agree with most of the things he says, but if he's teaching the gap theory, that makes him a heretic. If you agree with it and wish to discuss the validity of the theory we can do that in another post. However, most everyone on this board is not deluded by it.
  18. [quote="BobOwen"] Did any of you cut out Psalms 51 yet out of your Bible? Nope. ... [b]King David had a man killed had adultery with a married women and still was king. Why did God allow any more Psalms in the Bible after all his sins. Why did not God take Song of Solomon out too. Why did he let Solomon stay king? God is not us and He his more mercy than all of us combined.[/b] [/quote] Hw can you compare a king to a pastor? God established the role of the pastor. God didn't establish the role of a earthly king (nor approve of it). A king is a dictator. A pastor is a shepherd tha
  19. [quote="BobOwen"] [b]Have anyone one here ever MET Dr. Ruckman?? Have you ever called him and ask him a question?? Have you ever heard his complete testimony from him in his own words??? Have anyone here had a parent divorce another parent?? Has anyone here read your Bible in your life time over 200 times cover to cover?? Has anyone here tithed over 25%? Has anyone here heard of the following: James Modlish Steve Stergeon Doug Fisher Rick DeMichele Rick Sowell Brad Frisen Paul Huddlestun Ken Blue John Paisley Tim Shanks John Haveman Chuck Schlink Nick Serino Ron Ro
  20. [quote="nodnarb"] To be honest I have never cared much for Pensecola. It is more of a college with a church then a church with a college. I know that probably makes no sense but to me it means a deal. [/quote] That makes perfect sense and I absolutely agree. Amen to that! It is sad that most Baptist colleges are that way. :(
  21. I think the best thing you could do is pray about it and also look into other alternatives. Make sure you go where God wants you to go. He's got the answers. Now I would say that the KJV is definitely the translation for the english speaking people, I would also say there are other good translations in other languages that are good for that language. (The chinese bible is definitely not, though, as my wife and I have learned!!! Just another off shoot of the revised version. Someone needs to do a good chinese translation from the textus receptus.) There is my 2 cents.
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