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[quote="HappyChristian"]Interesting...I'll have to look up the scriptures when I have time to really look at them. She had a lot of really good points.[/quote]

Each verse is linked to the appropriate scripture, using the [Bible] button when I posted so that will save lots of time!

I think I am coming down with a cold! :wvlf"

Where? :bedtime: :bed:

I do not believe there are any women here at OB that are like this, but I found this article to be very interesting!

HOW A WIFE WEAKENS HER HUSBAND

I find it hard to believe that a woman is oblivious to the influence that she has over a man or men in general. In fact, I would say that we are very aware of the power of feminine persuasion! But in light of that truth, many of us flush our female influence down the toilet simply so we can have our own will and way in various settings, with no concern for the deep affect of our indifference or rebellion. And so, today's devotion is centered on the topic of YOU and the impact of your wifely performance. I hope you are up for the confrontation! I have done some study and reflecting of my own and put together a list of ways that wives typically tamper with the character of their husbands. I'm certain there are more than are mentioned, but I think you'll find it is plenty to tackle for now! Please take the time to look up the scripture references to heighten your understanding of each point. As [bible]Titus 2:4[/bible] and [bible]1 Timothy 3:11[/bible] state, sobriety must be a woman's distinguishing characteristic if she ever expects to have the right kind of influence in the life of her husband, her children, the church, and society in general. In fact, a lack of sobriety will leave you disinclined to look into the matters I've listed below. And if that is the case, your husband is already in trouble!

1. NAGGING SPIRIT ([bible]Acts 16:16-18[/bible])
2. WEEPING AND WHINING ([bible]Judges 14:15-17[/bible])
3. CRITICIZE HIS PREACHER ([bible]Mark 6:17-19[/bible])
4. CONSTANTLY CORRECT HIM/USURP HIS AUTHORITY ([bible]1 Timothy 2:12[/bible])
5. BLAME GOD FOR ADVERSITY ([bible]Job 2:9[/bible])
6. ACCOMPANY HIM IN WRONG DOING ([bible]Acts 5:1-2[/bible])
7. STIR HIM UP IN EVIL ([bible]1 Kings 21:25[/bible])
8. SUPPLY HIM WITH UNSCRIPTURAL COUNSEL ([bible]Esther 5:14[/bible])
9. NEVER PRAY FOR HIM ([bible]1 Timothy 2:1-2[/bible])
10. DESPISE HIS ADVANCEMENTS ([bible]2 Samuel 6:16[/bible])
11. CAUSE HIM TO DOUBT YOUR CHARACTER ([bible]Proverbs 31:11-12[/bible])
12. EXCESSIVE PRAISE OF OTHER MEN ([bible]1 Samuel 18:7[/bible])
13. NEVER SEEK HIS GUIDANCE ([bible]1 Corinthians 14:35[/bible])
14. PERSONAL LAZINESS ([bible]Proverbs 31:13-28[/bible], [bible]Proverbs 19:15[/bible])
15. GRIEVE HIS PARENTS ([bible]Genesis 26:34-35[/bible], [bible]Proverbs 12:4[/bible])
16. DESPISE MOTHERHOOD ([bible]Psalm 127:4-5[/bible], [bible]Titus 2:4[/bible])
17. PLAY FAVORITES WITH HIS CHILDREN ([bible]Genesis 27:6-29[/bible])
18. INTERFERE WITH CHILD DISCIPLINE ([bible]1 Timothy 2:4-5[/bible])
19. BE A REASON HE COULDN?T ANSWER GOD?S CALL ([bible]Luke 19:14[/bible])
20. NEGLECT HIS PHYSICAL & EMOTIONAL NEEDS ([bible]Proverbs 5:18-19[/bible], [bible]1 Corinthians 7:5[/bible])

Oswald Chambers said, The radiating influence of one person rightly related to God is incalculable Ladies, I hope that you will make it your business to assess your wifely influence in your husband's life and be sure that it is strengthening him and intensifying his relationship with the Lord rather than weakening it. I'm not advocating becoming a pushy person, but a stronger Christian. If you have learned some things about yourself by way of this list and your influence is not holy, correct it and cultivate it according to the Word of God. It is the most natural thing to be like the person you live with most, therefore live most with Jesus Christ. This too, was said by Oswald Chambers and I join him in counseling you the same.
Copyright 2006 Pamela A. Iannello

I might just add that it's not the husband's duty to see that his wife submits to him. God requires the wife to submit to her husband.
1 Peter 3:1 Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands; that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word be won by the conversation of the wives; 2 While they behold your chaste conversation coupled with fear. 3 Whose adorning let it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; 4 But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price. 5 For after this manner in the old time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: 6 Even as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any amazement.

Methinks since the decree is already on the books for the U.S.A. to merge with Canada and Mexico it (our USA as we know it) will be gone before we are ready for it to go. I fear it is going to happen very soon. :sad

How will it affect us??????? Do you have a really nice house and a decent piece of land????????? It will be taxed right out from under you. Do you have a nice car???????? You may not be able to afford the fuel once we all start paying back that 7 Trillion Dollars. Do you enjoy eating three meals per day???????? You may opt out for two meager meals, or some days only one meal when you experience high grocery bills. Obama wants to make the USA just like other countries (e.g. Kenya). This is his idea of leveling the playing field as he calls it.

ExRev has not been back to this board in quite awhile

Last visited: Tue Oct 07, 2008 9:29 pm

It sounds as if the Holy Spirit may be dealing with him and he has a lot of things to work out in his life. Divorce is something that "isn't supposed to happen" and when it does it can be devestating and make one question everything about life. I will pray for ExRev and hope that eventually God will help him to find peace and contentment and learn that the journey of life is not a smooth and easy one, and we all have to hit the hard bumps in the road every now and again. :pray

I have found that you can turn your back on God, but God will never turn his back on you...and just when times are at their bleakest that is when God's presence can be felt the most!

I have never heard of this Ray Boltz, and this thread is not surprising to me. Sometimes I think there must be some sort of Big Christian Country Club that everyone else is a member of - with the CCM, and books written by certain authors, etc. that I have never been privy to. The only book I need to read is the KJV, and the only music I have ever sung has been from songwriters who have long since gone on to glory. All else is simply being a part of the world - so if I seem a bit out of touch - then I praise God for achieving my goal of being separated from the world! :clap:

I agree that sometimes there is room for discussion of Biblical precepts, provided, the agenda or underlying motive of the discussion is one of edification, learning, teaching or just to honor God in praise of his word. Unfortunately, some Christians as we all know, are ignorant, foolish and unlearned and their motive is, as IM4given pointed at, simple a vent to their rebellion and more, a physical present person upon whom to vent their frustrations against God. Here in these forums, some find a "proxy god". They find a person whom they can substitute mentally in God's place and then unleash their resentment of God's word upon that person.

As to hair length (yes, a woman who is cutting her hair short is violating God's word). Some ladies however prefer short hair, some because it's more comfortable, some don't know any better, and some do know but pride rules their heart (not God). Some men & women, unwilling to shake their fist defiantly against God in the department of hair and dress standards, find a less confrontational "out" by immersing their rebellion in "scriptural obscurities". These are the men in earrings and long hair who wear the "but what constitutes long" lapel pins. These are the women who have the "but they're women's pants" bumper stickers.

To me, to dismiss tithing as OT Jewish tradition is to try to beat tithing into ceremonial law or dietary law... lol Its about as preposterous as arguing that God's hatred of Divorce was a Jewish OT tradition limited only to the Jews and since we're NT grace Christians now, God no longer hates divorce. Tithe....don't tithe, just like long hair on a man or short hair on a woman - its something "we each must give an account of our own selves".....

These forums are dangerous wouldn't you all agree? In this medium are Christians who need guidance, support, encouragement, clarification and leadership. What we say may well make a difference in how they 'walk' for the Lord the rest of their lives.... Also however there are servants of sin and hell here, surely you all have seen them. They seek no leadership, guidance or help - but rather, pose as Christians who do, and sow tares among the good seed. Lastly there are
Still, more complex, are those Christians who sow discord and ignorance...they present answers & opinions which garner the applauds of hell itself for the damage they cause.... they are so interwoven with the tares they are barely discernable as good seed any more.....they cause almost as much harm as the enemy.

SO we have a hard work in this field....or rather, some of you have such. Your comments influence - either good or bad. "By thy words thou shalt be justified.....and by thy words thou shalt be condemned"....something like that eh?

Surgeon General's warning: Tennessee redneck preacher opinion approved :Green

Your right, we reap what we sow, there is consequences to sin of which I fear many ignore. And many don't want to submit to no one, not even God, these people will argue about every scripture in the Bible and refuse to see them as God means them.

Partly, many of them have to much of the world in them, they love the world and do not want to let go of it.

Which I understand its easy to go astray, its easy to get caught up in the traps of the world. I've been in its traps, many Christians have, but the truth is we can overcome those traps, but it may take many sacrifices on our part to do so, but I promise, its worth it.

Paul had his problems, many of them, but he learned to be content.

11 Not that I speak in respect of want: for I have learned, in whatsoever state I am, therewith to be content.

12 I know both how to be abased, and I know how to abound: every where and in all things I am instructed both to be full and to be hungry, both to abound and to suffer need.

13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Phil 4:11-13 (KJV)

Paul and the rest of the Bible characters were people just like us, they had their passion, their weakness, but they learned they could be strong, they could overcome, but only with the strength that comes from our Lord and Savior.

After one makes their break away from what many call the American Dream, they can find true happiness and contentment in the Lord, after doing so they will not want to trade it for all of the whole world.

Seems to me most people who are living the America Dream has big house payments at least one if not more car payments, credit cards at least half filled up, 2nd and 3rd mortgages on their home, and it they don't slow down they will have to work till they're nearly 100 years old if not older to pay for all of it.

Slow down, smell the roses, have time for family, have time for self, have time for God and church and church family, the benefits are outstanding.

Psalms 103:2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and forget not all his benefits:

The American Dream cannot match those benefits.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!! :Bday:

John, I suppose the scripture I am struggling with now is this one:

Romans 16
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them

[quote="John81"]Actually, the Bible isn't so clear on some specifics with regards to some issues or topics which is why some things come up often.

Take women's hair length just as an example. The Bible does clearly say women are to have long hair. However, the Bible doesn't define what constitutes long hair. I recently looked at a publication put out by an IFB ministry which had a big picture of many of their women. Out of all those women, there were only a very few who had what I would call long hair. Does that mean all the other women are wearing their hair in a rebellious manner?

[color=#0000BF]John 14 :23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man (or woman) love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
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From following the leading of the Holy Ghost and studying out the Word of God I firmly believe the tithe was for Old Testament Jews and not New Testament Christians. Does that mean all those pastors who preach Christians are to tithe are preaching a false teaching?

[color=#0000BF] If a preacher can use the scriptures to teach that we are to give offerings to the church, and uses scriptures to back it up - then no. It is not a false teaching.
Mark 12
41 And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
42 And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
44 For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she

:pray my prayers are with you and your family John

What seems to happen on OB, John, and Happy Christian, is that when anyone (not just me BTW) starts speaking out against a particular sin, be it alcohol, or gambling, or cross-dressing issues, etc., there are people who are most likely dealing with those paticular sins on a personal level who become all upset and get angry about it and start really posting some pretty ugly posts, and attacking the messenger instead of dealing with the message with a Christ-like attitude. They do not accept/will not accept/ absolutely refuse to accept under any conditions and with 100 scriptures and thousands of logical reasons to back it up that what they are doing is actually a sin and is hindering their walk as Christ Following Christians. The more one attempts to refute their reasons for engaging in such sins, the more hardened their hearts become. They get so caught up with proving the Bible wrong that they never stop to think about maybe THEY are in the wrong and they need to get right with God. I get the feeling that they are not accustomed to being told something is right or wrong. I also believe that these people are clearly indicating where they are spiritually if they are living in a state of rebellion to God's word.

There are some things I am no longer going to argue about. There is no reason to argue over the something that the Bible says is clearly sinful. Period. That is why I do not want this thread to turn into some sort of thread over whether or not women should wear pants. That argument pops up at least every six months on this board and often turns very personal and very ugly. The Bible is VERY CLEAR on the issue. The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it. No room for debate. Period. If you do not like what the Bible says about it, that is not my fault. If you want to wear pants go right ahead, I won't stop you - it is not my place. But you would have to knock me out and hog tie me to get me to wear a pair of pants - I feel that strongly about it. I do not think I am better than you are, but I do not want something as ridiculous as a pair of pants to come between me and God. It's that simple.

I won't cut my hair either - same thing - you would have to duct tape me to a chair and gag me to keep me from screaming while you chop my hair off. Then you would be charged with assault and battery once you turned me loose! If some other women want to go cut their hair off like men, then go right ahead that is your own chioce, but it ain't for me, so do not try to convince me otherwise!

It is a sin to drink alcohol. The Bible is VERY CLEAR on the issue. The Bible says it, I believe it, that settles it. I am not going to listen to people who talk about Jesus being a "winebibber" when that scriture was clearly talking about my Jesus in derrogatory terms. I will not eat where alcohol is served - no matter what you call it - an upscale restaurant, a lounge, or a bar. I will not go visit a liquor store, or be somebody's designated driver for a girl's night out either. I never even imagined buying groceries in a store that sells beer, but here in Florida there are no stores that DON'T sell alcohol! I have witnessed too much violence and destruction from the sin of alcohol to ever believe that God meant for us to drink it!

So when it comes to "drawing a line in the sand" and refusing to budge on certain issues, I use the Holy Word of God as my life measuring stick and my Christ Following Guidebook - it is the only book that I trust in this whole wide world. When I stated that B.I.B.L.E. stands for Book of Instruction Before Leaving Earth - I was dead serious about that! There are other people who do not take the Scriptures so serious or so literal, but I am not one of them. I do not think God would have preserved his Words for all of these centuries if He did not mean for us to take them seriously! He did not call his list the Ten Suggestions - they are the Ten Commandments.

Often these arguments are started because people are so determined to be right, that they forget to humble themselves and do what [u][b]God[/b][/u] says is right.

2 Chronicles 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

continuing in prayer for mother and baby :pray :pray

[b]2 Peter 2 [/b]
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome , the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.


I found this verse and I wonder what it means? What does it mean that it had been better to not have known the way of righteousness? :huh:

I think if one approaches science with a Christian atttitude, then it only serves to REINFORCE what the scriptures tell you!

[quote="PastorHarrison"]It isn't so much the portions of OT law that I know are quite still in effect that give me concerns..... its the verses which encompas far more: It isn't the verses that tell me plainly what it is expected, it is the verses that tell me God expects me to know sin regardless of it's having been named or not and his demand that I enter not into it. Its the verses which say I am expected to "do right", "live right", "know what is good and what is not"!

Like Ephesians 4:1-3!!!!!!!!
Col 3:2-3!!!!!!!
Eph 4:22!!!
II Tim 2:4 !!!!!!!

and a dozen others...[/quote]



Ephesians 4
1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye[u][b] walk worthy [/b][/u]of the vocation wherewith ye are called,
2 With all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love;
3 Endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

Colossians 3
2 [u][b]Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth[/b][/u].
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

Ephesians 4
21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
22 [u][b]That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man[/b][/u], which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

2 Timothy 2
4 [u][b]No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life[/b][/u]; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier

AMEN PastorHarrison! :amen: :clap:

[quote="PastorHarrison"][quote="Jerry80871852"]All so true, and we understand well how hard it can be to resist the world, its ways, what it offers, they can be so appealing, but with the strength Jesus offers us, and knowing our rewards, knowing nothing good will be withheld from us in heaven, we can have contentment even now.

We have a lady in our church who doesn't even seem to try, but them maybe she is trying the best she knows how, she claims to be saved. I can't help but wonder if she is trying to live the Christian life without Jesus, even thought she is well versed on the Bible. I know we all have our struggles, but the one who is trying without Christ, they will have little success, and fall for so much, for old Satan does have a great hold on them. With one like her it makes me feel completely helpless.

Because of people like her, who knows the Bible so well, I will say from time to time, its not how much we know, its how we use what little we do know, the person who is saved, thought they may have little Bible knowledge, that will walk under the power of God's Holy Spirit, can be overcomers in this world, and live a Christ like life.[/quote]

I forget who I heard say it....probably read it somewhere, but I like it: "I don't care how much Bible you can quote...I am interested in how much Bible you can live".[/quote]

I have also heard that sitting in a church does not make you a Christian any more than sitting ina hen house makes you a chicken!

There is a Federal Law about burning churches.

http://www.churcharson.com/arson/ncatf.htm

Romans 13:8 [u][b]Owe no man any thing[/b][/u], but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

It is better to pay as you go and live within your means and not get yourself into debt if you can avoid it!

:pray - sorry i did not see this post u ntil now, but i will pray for them!

Does this mean they are going to make all the journalists leave their shoes out in the hallway now? :huh:

:lol: :lol: :sad oh well! :lol: :lol:

You will have to introduce me to you Grandfather! He sounds like a wonderful man. It is good that your dad was with him and he did not have to go alone. I know that you and your family will miss him, but aren't we all glad that we will all be reunited again one day! :amen: :clap: