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  1. Can I use a hamburger analogy?

    If there is too much singing and not enough preaching, it is like that old television commercial where the little old lady demands - Where's the beef?

    However if there is a good balance between the music, singing, preaching, announcements, and so on, it is like an old fashioned hamburder like you used to get at the roadside diners - before there ever was a Wendy's, McDonald's, Burger King etc.

    Everything was made fresh - from the 1/2 inch thick, 100% beef patty, all the way to the freshly sliced dill pickles. The buns came fresh daily from the local bakery. It had just the right amount of ketchup, mustard, and mayo. It had real fresh vine ripened tomatoes, a crisp leaf of lettuce and a slice of sweet vidalia onion on it. It was served on a china platter with a toothpick in it to help hold it all together. The french fries served on the side were hand-peeled, sliced and cooked as you waited for your order.

    I like a lively song service in which everyone sings - even if it is a bit off key - God listens to the heart. I enjoy it enough that I may even start clapping, and tapping my feet, and getting into the Spirit of the Worship service. Then while the first "bite" is still enjoyable, the preacher gets us straight to the "meat" of the service and we hear the Word of God, spoken directly to us - not from someone else's notes, but from the Preacher who has callusses on his knees from praying for us and asking God what the message for this week ought to be. He genuinely cares for his flock, and makes each and everyone of us feel special enough that he wants to help us, even if he has to step on a few toes. He also cares enough about us to extend an invitation to the altar, whether it is to accept Christ, or to ask forgiveness for a sin, or even to come forward to pray for lost loved ones - and he will ask us all to pray for that lost loved one. Leaving the services makes you feel happy, filled with the Spirit, and energized for the days to come.

    Too many churches have become like the fast-food restaurants , get em in, get their money, and get em out as quickly as possible. They don't take the time to prepare the song service, the musical arrangements, or even the sermon notes - it is all prepackaged, prewrittened, canned, boxed, turn on the button and sing, then turn on the mike and say a few verses of scripture, say a rehearsed prayer or two, and out the door you go. Then everyone heads to their favorite restaurant afterwards or plops down in front of their favorite football game or NASCAR race. Those kind of Sundays just seem to leave a lot to be desired, IMHO.


  2. I can't vote with the options that are there. Are Catholics saved Christians? Being a Christian has nothing to do with being a Catholic, Baptist, Charismatic, ect..., it has to do with knowing Jesus Christ as your personal Savior. It is a personal relationship, not a club.

    My answer; Some are and some aren't. With the majority not being saved.

    If the you changed Catholics with Baptist, I still would not be able to vote. Not all Baptists are Christians.


    :amen: :goodpost:
  3. Hymns vs. Praise Choruses

    An old farmer went to the city one weekend and attended a big city
    church. He came home and his wife asked him how it was. "Well," said
    the farmer, "It was good. They did something different, however.
    They sang praise choruses instead of hymns."

    "Praise choruses?" said his wife. "What are those?"

    "They're sort of like hymns, only different," said the farmer.

    "What's the difference?" asked the wife.

    The farmer said, "Well, if I said, 'Martha, the cows are in the
    corn,' that would be a hymn. But if I said, 'Martha, Martha, Martha,
    Oh Martha, MARTHA, MARTHA, the cows, the big cows, the brown cows,
    the black cows, the white cows, the black and white cows, the COWS,
    COWS, COWS, are in the corn, are in the corn, are in the corn, are
    in the corn,' that would be a praise chorus."

    ==================================================================
    Now, the rebuttal, so to speak:
    ==================================================================

    A young Christian went to his local church usually, but one weekend
    Attended a small town church. He came home and his wife asked him
    how it was.

    "Well," said the young man, "It was good. They did something
    different, however. They sang hymns instead of regular songs."

    "Hymns," said his wife, "What are those?"

    "Oh, they're okay. They're sort of like regular songs, only different,"
    said the young man.

    "Well, what's the difference?" asked his wife.

    The young man said, "Well it's like this: If I were to say to you,
    'Martha, the cows are in the corn,' well that would be a regular
    song. If, on the other hand, I were to say to you:"


    Oh Martha, dear Martha, hear thou my cry.
    Inclinest thine ear to the words of my mouth.
    Turn thou thy whole wondrous ear by and by,
    To the righteous, inimitable, glorious truth.

    For the way of the animals who can explain?
    There in their heads is no shadow of sense.
    Hearkenest they in God's sun or His rain,
    Unless from the mild, tempting corn they are fenced.

    Yea, those cows in glad bovine, rebellious delight,
    Have broke free their shackles, their warm pens eschewed.
    Then goaded by minions of darkness and night
    They all my mild Chilliwack sweet corn have chewed.

    So look to that bright shining day by and by,
    Where all foul corruptions of earth are reborn.
    Where no vicious animal makes my soul cry
    And I no longer see those foul cows in the corn.


    "Then, if I were to do only verses one, three and four and do a key
    change on the last verse, well that would be a hymn."


    JUST KIDDING EVERYONE! :lol:

  4. "A" looks more like three people ganging up and abusing a horse. Some people may mistake the whip as a person who is flogging another poster, rather than a person who is trying to ressurect a dead topic.

    "B" looks like a really dead horse - I like the flies buzzing around it. No matter how a person may try to ressurect the topic, it ain't gonna happen!

  5. I would think the Biblical version of the flow chart would be much more simplified and look a bit like this:

    HEAVEN
    Reunion with God, Angels, Saved family, friends, loved ones
    eternal life filled with joy, peace, & happiness
    ^
    I
    I
    JESUS
    grace + forgiveness
    ^
    I
    I
    Sinful Human -----------------> Born Again Salvation + Repentance
    I
    I
    V
    HELL

    BOTTOMLESS
    PIT AT THE CENTER
    OF THE EARTH


    This didn't quite format itself the way I typed it, perhaps some of you guys could fix and/or improve upon this graphic a bit?

  6. Here is a website that gives the basic outline for every single Catholic Mass I ever attended, except I learned to do this in Latin instead of English. The whole things takes 30 minutes from start to finish...

    http://catholic-resources.org/ChurchDocs/Mass.htm

    Remember to put this in the context of the Catholic Cathedral, which is large and imposing and designed to be awe inspiring, and the Gregorian Chanting style of choral singing, which was also in Latin for many centuries.

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