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  1. The first century Jesus followers were Christian Jews - they continued to observe the sabbath as the Jews have always done. However the task of preaching and teaching seemed to be breaking the sabbath (the Pharisees even chastised Jesus for healing the sick on a sabbath.) The new Jesus Followers made the first day of the week the day to celebrate the resurrection of Christ - and to separate itself from the Jewish sabbath day customs. Remember the jews have a lot of strict religious laws regarding how the sabbath is to be kept (you can only travel so far, etc.).

    I take the whole weekend off myself - I rest on the seventh day of the week (Saturday) and I worship on the first day of the week (Sunday) - but I live my life for Christ EVERY day of the week.

  2. Bro. Jerry, according to a Mennonite Tract that I read, they do not believe in eternal security, and therefore all that they do is to keep themselves holy and free from sin, for if they do not then they fear losing their salvation. It is indeed a works based religion much like the RCC who believe that if they do not attend mass, light candles and be good catholics they will not go to Heaven either. They believe the rest of us are lost because of the sinful way we live, and indeed compared to the way they live we are quite worldly - maybe too much so.

    I have nothing but the utmost respect for the Amish and the Mennonite people, I just worry that they are relying on their outward actions to save them and have no true knowledge of saving grace. I have been accused by members of this board about being "legalistic", but it is not so. I believe in eternal security, but I also believe that if I want to get close to the Lord and walk with Him, the only way to do that is to stop letting my flesh get in the way and to obey His commandments.

  3. From Noah Webster's 1828 Dictionary:

    MAR'RIAGE, n. [L.mas, maris.] The act of uniting a man and woman for life; wedlock; the legal union of a man and woman for life. Marriage is a contract both civil and religious, by which the parties engage to live together in mutual affection and fidelity, till death shall separate them. Marriage was instituted by God himself for the purpose of preventing the promiscuous intercourse of the sexes, for promoting domestic felicity,and for securing the maintenance and education of children.

    Marriage is honorable in all and the bed undefiled. Heb.13.

    1. A feast made on the occasion of a marriage.

    The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king, who made a marriage for his son. Matt.22.

    2. In a scriptural sense, the union between Christ and his church by the covenant of grace. Rev.19.

  4. Example 1: Henry and John, a gay couple, have lived in a committed relationship for 28 years. Henry is an orthopeadic surgeon earning $500,000.00 per year. John has stayed home, taken care of the house, cooked meals, did the chores, etc. Henry has saved most of his money in a separate investment account. The house was purchased before the relationship, and is only in Henry's name. Henry dies. We have an investment account worth $3,000,000.00, plus a house in his name worth $500,000.00.

    Henry and John CHOSE this lifestyle and they should have prepared for it - there are legal ways in which one person can put another person's name on bank accounts, investments, and mortgages - they don't have to get married to do that.

    Henry's family disowned him when he announced that he was gay. They have had little to no contact with him over the years. Because they were not old yet, thye had put off doing a Will. Who gets Henry's estate? It will be his family, who has shown nothing but hatred towards him for many years. John will not receive anything. If this were a married couple, the spouse would inherit everything. I can guarantee you his family will show up when they believe there is money for them.

    Henry abandoned his family and CHOSE to live an ungodly life. If he had any brains at all he would not have chosen to live in SODOMY with his male partner nor would he have tried to emotionally blackmail his family into accepting his chosen lifestyle. These men made their choices in life, and they must accept the consequenses of the choices they made - just like any of us have had to do.

    Why should the same couple be treated differently in this situation because one couple is gay and one is not? I have yet to hear a good reason to deny the gay couple rights.

    God created Adam and Eve - not Adam and Steve. Go back and read your bible.

    Example 2: same as example 1, except Henry goes into a coma and needs life support. Who makes the decision as to whether he lives and dies? It will be his family, not John, who is not legally recognized as his spouse.

    His parents brought him into this world so why shouldn't they be the ones to make these kinds of decisions for him? Who knows, his brush with death might lead to him completely rethinking the life he has chosen to live?

    Example 3: Mary and Jane have been together 10 years. The State refuses to allow them to adopt a baby together, so Mary adopts a baby by herself, though the baby knows Mary and Jane as her parents. The child is now 5 years old. Mary and Jane's families are not supportive of their relationship and have no contact with them. Mary dies. Mary's family now tries to get custody of the child, and rips the child from the only parent she knows. Because the relatinship is not recognized under the law, her family may end up getting custody unless we have a judge who is sympathetic towards Jane and is not intollerant of gay people.

    The child who is growing up in such a situtation is learning a very warped concept not to mention ungodly family trafition. The grandparents are the child's blood relatives, and perhaps they can help this poor child learn about Jesus and start taking her to Sunday School, etc.

    A gay relationship does not hurt anyone.

    Yes it does - you just gave some great examples of how it tears up families, destroys relationships, and leads to a life of wreck and ruin. Sodomy is an ABOMINATION to God.
  5. I am afraid that if I watched that I would be watching with a great deal of excitement and anticipation - like watching a NASCAR race to see who is going to crash and burn! I think it is better to not watch something rather than to watch it hoping for something wrong and evil to happen, don't you? :pray :verymad:

  6. Pray for me to do the above where able(husband would kill me if I threw out his movies and video games but they aren't mine) Pray please! :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray :pray

    Praying for your husband pixiedust! :pray

    Why not just box up all those movies and games and put them in the back of your husbands closet or out in his tool shed? He can't get mad about it then, can he?
  7. It is a little late to be jumping into this thread perhaps, but I resolved this problem with my daughter by making pantaloons for her to wear under her dresses. She wore cute little dresses hemmed a bit short with pantaloons peeking out underneath - in winter I made them from flannel, in the summer I made them from the same fabric as the dress, just got an extra half yard of the dress fabric. Something like these:


  8. The guy your brother hit might have been suicidal. There is a lot of that happening around here because people have lost hope. Another thing they do is throw themselves in front of cars and hope to get a huge insurance settlement out of it.

    :pray praying for your brother and everyone involved.

  9. I think there is a sort of "religious peer pressure" that occurs too, Bro. Jerry. For example suppose some of the women at church have decided that it ought to be perfectly A-Okay for women to wear pants, and start wearing pantsuits to Sunday Services. They go to the beauty parlor and get themselves a trendy new short hair cut and a trip to the mall for a whole new wardrobe.Well, since no bolts of lightening fall from the sky and the ground did not open them up and swallow them whole for their actions, they think that God says it is A-Okay too and has given them the divine "green light" to continue in their actions. They are quite pleased with themselves and their progressive new ways.

    Then along comes Sister Troublemaker, who has decided that the Holy Spirit wants her to continue wearing her modest dresses and continue to let her hair grow long. The women of the church do everything that they possibly can to turn their stubborn Sister around, but she will not budge. They call her "holier than thou", "hypocrite" and everything else, and they start excluding her from all of their parties and extra-curricular activities. The message they send is loud and clear - either conform and be like us, or you can't be seen with us. Now, I ask you is that fair? Is that the sort of Christian attitude a Christ Following Christian Woman ought to have? What ought to be done (if anything) in this type of situation?

  10. Well, as one who has been accused of being too "legalistic" let's take a look at the context of that verse. The difference between what I believe and what some others believe, is that I believe the Word is speaking to ALL Christians past, present, and future, and there are others who think that this is just something that referred to those particular people who lived in Ephesas at that particular time in history. Either the Holy Bible is the living breathing Word of God, or it is just a dusty old history book, it just depends on your point of view. Either you love the Lord and you want to do what is pleasing to Him, or you don't love the Lord, and you do what pleases yourself or the world. That is what it means to grieve the Holy Spirit. It is as simple as that.

    Ephesians 4 (I added the emphasis on parts I think are especially important to this issue)
    21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus:
    22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
    23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
    24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
    25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another.
    26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:
    27 Neither give place to the devil.
    28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth

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