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    Standing Firm In Christ got a reaction from Alan in It's in the Bible!   
    Actually, I do not "call" pastors "they handle the word of God deceitfully".  I bring a charge against them for handling the word of God deceitfully. 

    And the word of God fully supports the charge I bring against them.

    When I answered the call to preach in 1988, I answered the call to preach the word... not man's opinion.  The word of God reveals that those pastors' who use Malachi 3:8-10 or any other Old Testament Scripture or passage that describes tithing as "proof-text" that the saved in Christ today are required to tithe their monetary income in the New Covenant  Church, to be handling the word of God deceitfully.

    Not once in the entire Bible is anyone told to tithe their monetary income to the House of God... not once.  And yet, so many pastors continue to deceive with their using Scripture out of context to teach the monetary tithe requirement that is totally foreign to the word of God.

    Shame on pastors that deceitfully use passages that speak of an agricultural tithe required of the children of Israel to teach a monetary tithe of their congregations today.  They are not rightly dividing the word of truth.

    And shame on pastors that defend the deceitful pastors.
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    Standing Firm In Christ reacted to LindaR in Believers and the Law   
    I would think that the Adamic covenant would involve blood.  After the fall (after Adam ate of the forbidden fruit), didn't God provide a "covering" for Adam and Eve's nakedness?  An animal (which might have been a lamb/sheep) had to be killed to provide that "covering"?  Adam and Eve tried to cover their "nakedness" with fig leaves (works), but God provided His covering (coats of skins):

    Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

    Genesis 3:21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
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    Standing Firm In Christ got a reaction from Jim_Alaska in Believers and the Law   
    Elephants in the circus sideshow tent are chained to a three foot metal stake which is hammered in the ground.  They are exposed to the chain from their youth.  
    As as a youth, the elephant pulls constantly on the chain, trying to get away.  As it gets older, the elephant resigns itself to the belief that it can never escape that chain,... even though it could easily snap the chain as an adult and escape captivity if it tried.
    Like the elephant in a circus sideshow tent with a chain on its back leg that has come to the conclusion that being held captive by that chain is his fate, many people have been conditioned to believe a lie that they must keep part, or all, of the Law that was never meant for them.
    Because they hear the lies from the pulpit so much, and because they have concluded that the man in the pulpit is telling the truth, they have concluded that they must keep The Law in order to obtain Grace.
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    Standing Firm In Christ reacted to Ukulelemike in Believers and the Law   
    Interesting-the difference with my study, however, is that I was working from the point of the blood covenants-the Edenic, Adamic, Noahidic, and others were not covenants of blood, and the point there, is that they are very specific as to whom they apply. It is a very legal matter when dealing with the blood covenants. But there are interesting to read, and certainly true.
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    Standing Firm In Christ got a reaction from LindaR in Believers and the Law   
    Elephants in the circus sideshow tent are chained to a three foot metal stake which is hammered in the ground.  They are exposed to the chain from their youth.  
    As as a youth, the elephant pulls constantly on the chain, trying to get away.  As it gets older, the elephant resigns itself to the belief that it can never escape that chain,... even though it could easily snap the chain as an adult and escape captivity if it tried.
    Like the elephant in a circus sideshow tent with a chain on its back leg that has come to the conclusion that being held captive by that chain is his fate, many people have been conditioned to believe a lie that they must keep part, or all, of the Law that was never meant for them.
    Because they hear the lies from the pulpit so much, and because they have concluded that the man in the pulpit is telling the truth, they have concluded that they must keep The Law in order to obtain Grace.
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    Standing Firm In Christ reacted to LindaR in Believers and the Law   
    This is an excellent Bible study on the Eight Covenants of the Bible by Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum, who is a Jewish believer in Jesus Christ.

    The Eight Covenants of the Bible by Dr. Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum
    http://www.messianicassociation.org/ezine17-af.covenants.htm (Part 1): The Edenic, Adamic, Noahic, and Abrahamic Covenants
    http://www.messianicassociation.org/ezine18-af.covenants.htm (Part 2): The Mosaic Covenant
    http://www.messianicassociation.org/ezine19-af.covenants.htm (Part 3): The Land (Palestinian), Davidic, and New Covenants
    Here’s the Conclusion of all three parts:

    CONCLUSION
    All spiritual blessings are for believers in the Messiah, whether they are Jews or Gentiles. And through His death on the cross for their sins, believers reap spiritual benefits that would never be theirs otherwise. The eight covenants of the Bible are very explicit in their provisions and are valuable for a proper understanding of Scripture.
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    I need to add a short disclaimer to Part 1 concerning Dr. Fruchtenbaum's teaching on the Edenic and Adamic Covenant.  I do not agree with him concerning his use of Ezekiel 28:11-19 and the fall of Satan.  Also, I do not agree with his teaching on Genesis 3:15 where he says:
    “The prophecy of Genesis 3:15 led to the events of Genesis 6:1-4 when Satan tried to corrupt the seed of the woman and will lead to the future supernatural conception of the Antichrist.”
     
     
     
     
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    Standing Firm In Christ got a reaction from Ronda in Believers and the Law   
    Scripture showing we as Gentiles today are not under any part of the Mosaic Law...
    Psalm 147:19 (KJV) 19 He sheweth his word unto Jacob, his statutes and his judgments unto Israel.
    Psalm 147:20 (KJV) 20 He hath not dealt so with any nation: and [as for his] judgments, they have not known them. Praise ye the LORD.
    Acts 15:5 (KJV) 5 But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command [them] to keep the law of Moses.
    Acts 15:10 (KJV) 10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
    Acts 15:19 (KJV) 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
    Acts 15:20 (KJV) 20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and [from] fornication, and [from] things strangled, and [from] blood.
    Galatians 3:24 (KJV) 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
    Galatians 3:25 (KJV) 25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
     
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    Standing Firm In Christ got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in Is Tithing a Sin?   
    The book arrived this morning.  Following is just a sample of what is  in the book:


                   But as to the method of execution, we do not endorse the tithe system for the following reasons:

    1.  It violates the divine plan laid down in the New Testament Scriptures.
    2.  It violates every principle of Church polity upon which all our churches stand.
    3.  If the Scriptures require our churches to tithe, we have not a single Scriptural church in our association. 
    4.  It changes our giving from the realm of voluntary worship to that of slavish obedience to Law.
    5.  It makes our churches tax gatherers.
    6.  No Baptist Church has ever adopted it.  Should a church adopt it, they would cease to be Baptist.
    7.  So far as History goes, it was never mentioned as a Christian or Church obligation until after the “great apostasy” in 250 A.D., and then only by the apostate church, and not by Baptists.  The agitation among Baptists, of this question, is of recent date.
    8.  No Baptist Confession of Faith has ever mentioned it.
    9.  It screens the rich, and oppresses the poor.
    10.  Not one syllable in all the Bible that connects the tithe system with the churches of Jesus Christ.  When Baptists leave the Bible, they get into trouble.
    -- John Harvey Grime; The Bible and History on the Tithe System, p.4; ©1934

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    Standing Firm In Christ got a reaction from Invicta in Is Tithing a Sin?   
    I haveordered a book by a minister named John Harvey Grime published 1934, copyright Library of Congress, Washington DC. (Should be here toward the end of the week)  
     
    The book is very interesting from what I was able to read online, and relates the History of the Tennessee Baptist Church.  At the time of its printing, Grime stated that tithes were not a Baptist Doctrine, and that should the Baptist Church begin teaching tithing, it would cease being Baptist.
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    Standing Firm In Christ got a reaction from AVBibleBeliever in The Tithe   
    Acts 15 destroys this sermon. Gentile converts are not to be put under any part of the Mosaic/Levitic Law. The one who teaches Gentile converts that they are to keep the Law is tempting God.

    Tithing was not one of the necessary things required of the Gentile converts in Acts, nor is it taught in the pastoral epistles.

    Surely, if tithing were to be done in the Church, it would have been brought up in the pastoral epistles. But it was not. Silence speaks volumes.

    Sorry Martin, but the tithe was given to Israel, not the Gentile nations.

    The argument that Israel was mostly poor is foolish. Israel had a lot of money money is mentioned more than forty times before the Law was established. And in the Law, rich and poor alike had, and were required to give, money.

    Farmers had money to buy back the tithe if they so chose to do. They could sell tithe for money. Slaves were bought and sold for money. Land was bought with money. Burial plots were bought with money.

    Do some homework. Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth. You have totally dismissed rightly dividing altogether for a doctrine that was never taught by the Church the first five centuries after the cross.
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    Standing Firm In Christ reacted to LindaR in Who Is Melchezedek?   
    I read your sermon and SFIC is not the only person who disagrees with you.  I also disagree with you. To call SFIC a heretic (as candlelight has done) because he doesn’t agree with your conclusions, is uncalled for and by doing this, you (and candlelight) are bearing false witness against another brother.  Are you and candlelight going to also call me a heretic because I also disagree with you? 
     
    Here are some excerpts from another brother’s conclusions (with whom I agree) about Melchizedek being Jesus Christ.  He also disagrees with your conclusions...is he also a "heretic"?
     
    Your “proof” wasn’t “proof” at all.  Your reasoning is flawed, IMO.  I think you WANT Melchizedek to be Jesus Christ and for this reason you “tie” Scriptures together in your mind in order to make it work....but it only “works” for you.
     
    "The Bible makes it clear that Melchizedek was simply A MAN...
     
    Hebrews 7:4
    Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.
     
    The Bible also makes it clear that Christ would be a priest AFTER THE ORDER OF Melchizedek.  Melchizedek began(?) a priesthood.  Christ is the successor to that priesthood.  Christ had to be a priest, but he wasn't from the line of Levi...from which the priests under the law came.  They were priests by birth into their family and the law.  Christ was/is a priest by virtue of God's oath.
     
    Simply stated, there were two lines of priests who served God.  The order of Melchizedek, and the Levitical/Aaronic priesthood.  The Levitical/Aaronic priesthood replaced Melchizedek's order, and Christ again replaced the Levitical/Aaronic priesthood with the order of Melchizedek. Christ didn't "come back" as Melchizedek; he simply fulfilled his Priestly office as a priest after Melchizedek's order and as Melchizedek's successor.
     
    Hebrews 7:15
    And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
     
    If Melchizedek was Christ, then why does that verse say that "ANOTHER" priest would arise after the similitude (resemblance) of Melchizedek? "ANOTHER" being the key word..."ANOTHER" means "not the same"!!! Yes, "another" could refer to "another besides the Levitical/Aaronic priests, but it also applies in general.  Christ is not the same as the Levitical/Aaronic priests, and though similar to Melchizedek, Christ isn't the same as him either. If Christ were Melchizedek, why didn't it say...And it is yet far more evident: for Christ must resume his role as Melchisedec the priest.
     
    To me, it's OBvious that Melchizedek and Christ aren't the same...the Bible just draws similarities between them to show why Christ is a priest AFTER THE ORDER OF Melchizedek."
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