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LindaR

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    LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in The Widow's Mites   
    It is not I that is guilty of "dishonoring the Scriptures. Rather, those who "dishonor the Scriptures" are those who use Mark 12:41-44 & Luke 21:1-4 as proof-text that the widow was willfully giving and that Jesus was commending said giving when there is nothing in said texts that indicates such.
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    LindaR reacted to wretched in The Widow's Mites   
    I don't see it as commendation either, although I admit at first glance looking only at the statement made by the Lord I thought so from a pretext in my mind when I first considered it.
    The chapter context and certainly the context of all the Gospels say otherwise.
    When considering the overall context of rebuke for the greed of filthy lucre of these religious leaders, it sheds a different light on Jesus' statement here about the widow as an objective one, as if He were merely stating the facts about how she gave all she had but the overall context is how she was sinfully manipulated by these leaders.
    I often get angered to hear of how poor families that come to IFB churches for help are turned away from the coffers by the money handlers with the excuse that they can't be trusted and will only keep coming back. But when it comes to tithing, the same people will angrily say, it doesn't matter what is done with the money, you are tithing to the Lord.
    I think the context of the Gospels overall indicate our Lord's Will in giving is to give to the brothers and sisters in need and the widows and fatherless even if we are being despite-fully used in some or many cases LONG BEFORE he would want us to provide filthy lucre to supposed leaders.
    And I am in no way implying that anyone in this thread is like this but I have known of some in the past and hear of whole generations of them coming up in the last 20 years.
     
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    LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in The Widow's Mites   
    Hmmm, there is nothing in the text that indicates willingness and/or desire to give by the widow.  Yet you claim that is what happened.
     
    the texts do show the poor widow was made destitute by the corrupt Temple system.  Yet, you want to force a commendation by Jesus.
     
    strange.
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    LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in The Widow's Mites   






     
    what I "utterly reject" is your blatant pulling verses out of context in a feeble attempt to prove that Jesus was pleased that a poor widow is now even poorer.
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    LindaR got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in The Widow's Mites   
    The Scriptures were written in Koine Greek (NT) and Hebrew (OT)...not in English.   God promised to preserve His Word long before the English language came into existence (Psalms 12:6-7).  The King James Bible is the PRESERVED, inerrant and inspired Word of God in the English language, which was translated from the PRESERVED, inerrant and inspired original Greek and Hebrew, neither of which is a dead language.  Neither does the English "correct" the Greek (or Hebrew), as some teach.  The 360 "perversions" of which you speak were not translated from the same Greek and Hebrew manuscripts as the King James Bible.
    The English language didn't exist until the fifth to the seventh century AD.   English is a West Germanic language that originated from Anglo-Frisian dialects brought to Britain in the fifth to seventh centuries by Germanic invaders and settlers from what is now northwest Germany and the Netherlands. (Wikipedia). 
    Quit with the insults already....the more you insult, the more you show your ignorance about Bible translations.
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in The Widow's Mites   
    I've watched you with interest since you've joined...
    You've gone from making small, non-inflammatory posts when you first joined to making overtly challenging posts as time has passed...and now you are moving into making derogatory posts.
    Why should any of us listen to anything you have to say about God, his word, or any theological subject? After all...

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    LindaR got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in The Widow's Mites   
    From what language did the KJV translators translate the Bible into English?  There is nothing wrong with going to the source to find the meanings of words.  It doesn't mean that someone doesn't like what the Bible says when one goes to a Greek dictionary in order to find the meanings of words. 
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    LindaR got a reaction from No Nicolaitans in The Widow's Mites   
    From what language did the KJV translators translate the Bible into English?  There is nothing wrong with going to the source to find the meanings of words.  It doesn't mean that someone doesn't like what the Bible says when one goes to a Greek dictionary in order to find the meanings of words. 
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    LindaR reacted to wretched in The Widow's Mites   
    I know you folks think that those who dismiss reformed "theologies" are the ones skewed by men but you reference other men to make these points. It is outrageously ironic. I know reformed theologies are twisted ideas of men because it does not match my Bible remotely. Not because some men wrote about it or some "group" believed it however many hundreds of years ago.
    Haven't you ever wondered that these "learned" men you quote at every turn could have been as influenced by satan as they may have been by the Spirit. Yet you still base your theology on what "they" deny or affirm.
    Ditch it all and stick to your Bible only and you will never quote men again. Most important you won't be fooled by men again.
    God told you that His Spirit would lead you into all truth. You don't need men's twisted histories, stick to His Word.
     
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in The Widow's Mites   
    Pastor Markle, I do appreciate your time and study on this matter, as well as answering my questions.  But once again, I respectfully disagree. 
     
    And once again, I respectfully disagree.  I do not believe it reveals her motivation of "gifts", even with the grammatical analysis, I come to a different conclusion. I conclude her motivation isn't truly given, and I back up to the statement I made previously: I conclude that the phrase  "more than they all" (in verse 3) would refer to the widow casting in more money (proportionally to her income) rather than more "gifts" by simple grammatical reading of the sentence(s) structure(s). 
    I I respect your position, I just don't agree.
    But rather than to continue on (myself) in this thread of conversation (in regard to the "widow's mites"). I will once again bow out of this topic as well. Since I've given my thoughts on the matter, and my own prayerful study conclusion (for clarification...not to say yours isn't prayerful study as well), I think it would be redundant for me to continue to expound on this thread.  
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    In Deuteronomy, the law was stated again for those who were about to enter the promised land. Then in chapters 27-30 (especially 27and 28), the results for both obedience and disobedience to the law are plainly stated...and it had NOTHING to do with salvation. 
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    LindaR reacted to Jim_Alaska in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
     Heb 10:11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 
     Heb 10:1 For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. 
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    LindaR reacted to Pastor Scott Markle in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    Eternal salvation and justification has NEVER been through faith AND works in ANY form of combination.
    Eternal salvation and justification has ALWAYS been through faith ALONE.
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    I humbly can't accept or believe that Peter...who was filled with the Holy Ghost ()...who God used to preach the message that led to the salvation of about 3,000 souls...preached a lie to those people. In essence, that's what it would come down to...if what Peter referenced from Joel was wrong, then... 
    Peter (while filled with the Holy Ghost) preached a lie.  God then used that lie as a catalyst to save about 3,000 people. The Holy Spirit subsequently inspired Luke to include that lie in the word of God. Peter was simply answering the people as to what the tongues were...that was what led to the sermon. That's why Peter said, "But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel". He was referring to the tongues.
    He said that some things would happen "in the last days"...and they were witnessing what were included as signs of the last days.
    All Peter said was that those things would happen "in the last days". Part of what he quoted was happening; part of what he quoted wasn't happening and didn't happen. Therefore, the last days included then, continue until now, and they will continue until they end. The signs that the people witnessed proved they were in the last days.
    Peter did exactly what Paul said was required for salvation...faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
    Peter preached the word of God (). The word of God that he used included signs of the last days. Part of those signs were being fulfilled at that very moment; therefore, the last days had already begun.
    Peter preached the word of God (). The word of God that he used included signs of the last days. Part of those signs were not fulfilled at that very moment; however, that doesn't negate the previous signs (that were fulfilled) as belonging to the last days.
    Peter preached the word of God (). The word of God that he quoted ended with "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved". He then preached the remainder of the sermon expounding upon Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection; wherefore, that makes it possible for "whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord" can be saved through faith in Christ's atoning work. God used the word of God to bring about 3,000 souls to salvation. 
    Peter wasn't wrong, and Peter didn't preach a lie. He laid out some signs of the last days according to the word of God. Part of those signs were fulfilled, and that signified that the last days were already happening then. 
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    LindaR reacted to wretched in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    Wow fella, I certainly subscribe to rightly dividing the Word and I think it is obvious that the Lord has dealt with certain peoples at certain times differently but that only applies when it is grammatically obvious in Scripture.
    These statements are not obvious by any stretch of the imagination. Are you claiming that the church is excluded from applying any portion of Hebrews to themselves.
    So would you be of the faction that feels that since you are a believing gentile that all that applies to you as far as living for God is: That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication?
     
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   
    (Hebrews 1:1-2) God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
    The writer of Hebrews included himself (us) as having heard Jesus' words which were spoken (hath - present tense)...the last days were then and will continue until they end.
     
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    LindaR reacted to wretched in The Widow's Mites   
    Read it again slowly bro. You base your ideas on doctrine from men's slanted views as you just proved again. Someone told you this nonsense that you just posted again as if it were Gospel truth when it obviously came from some muttenhead's book since it you did not live prior to 1950 much less 1830. God's Word demonstrates right division throughout but you will never see with the sad roots of man's opinions planted so deeply in your nugget.
    You have admitted suppositions as the basis of both covenant and replacement theology with the made up idea from men that the Church was in the OT. This is found nowhere in the Bible. If this lie were true it would be found in the OT.
    You have also admitted suppositions as the basis of your false calvinistic beliefs when you stated spiritually dead men cannot make choices. This idea is also from men and found nowhere in God's Word.
    You yahoos turn blue in the face demanding you follow only Scripture when you give yourselves away in every argument. Sadly though you are so brainwashed with men's ideas on Scripture that you cannot distinguish the difference between the two.
    You sir nor GP are anywhere close to the Berean example. You are both as far from it as possible in this forum.
     
     
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    LindaR got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in Jesus' coming Kingdom on land.   

    I believe that the apostle Paul is the author of the epistle to the Hebrews based on 2 Peter 3:15:

    2 Peter 3:15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
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    Excerpts from “The Interpretation of the English Bible” by B. H. Carroll – (15-17) The Book of Hebrews –Author’s Introduction, Part 2
    The case of Paul may be briefly stated thus:
    EXTERNAL EVIDENCE
    The external evidence is cumulative and threefold: scriptural, documentary, and traditional.
    Scriptural. The first scriptural evidence is derived from 2 Peter 3:15: “And account that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according unto the wisdom given to him, wrote unto you.” If this testimony be relevant it is decisive. The argument for its application to the case is substantially this:
    1,  Peter wrote his first letter to elect Jews of the dispersion in five provinces of Asia Minor (1 Peter 1:1).
    2.  His second letter was to the same people (2 Peter 3:1).
    3.  In this second letter he says, “Our beloved brother Paul hath written to you.”
    4.  The particular topic discussed by Peter,  concerning which he alleges agreement with Paul, is the emphatic topic in our letter to the Hebrews, namely, the long suffering of our Lord in delaying his advent, which delay was tempting them to apostatize.
    5.  Peter distinguishes this letter of Paul to the Hebrews from all his other letters.
    6.  The most probable date of Peter’s second letter allows ample time for his knowledge of the letter to the Hebrews. Indeed, Peter’s letter shows evident acquaintance with the group of Paul’s letters written during his first Roman imprisonment, and designedly supplements Paul’s great argument against the Gnostics.
    7.  If our letter to the Hebrews be not the one which Peter attributed to Paul, then Paul’s letter is lost. The only escape from this argument would be proof that Peter himself never wrote the second letter attributed to him, but this would be only a nominal escape, since somebody wrote that letter and the direct testimony as to Paul writing to the Hebrews remains. Whatever may be the merits of this argument as to Peter’s testimony, it is certain that Peter never said, “Our beloved brother Barnabas, or Apollos, or Clement, or Luke, hath written unto you.”
     
     
     
     
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in The Widow's Mites   
    You're probably right...
    ...especially when you post a message publicly (that could have been sent privately) and worded in a way to goad the majority of people on this forum. That kind of sounds unbrotherly-like to me...but that's me.
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    LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in The Widow's Mites   
    Transliteration: oikonomia Pronunciation: oi-ko-no-mē'-ä  Part of Speech: feminine noun Root Word (Etymology): from G3623 Outline of Biblical Usage: the management of a household or of household affairs
    specifically, the management, oversight, administration, of other's property
    the office of a manager or overseer, stewardship
    administration, dispensation
    KJV Translation Count: 7 Total dispensation 4, stewardship 3 Strong's Definitions: οἰκονομία oikonomía, oy-kon-om-ee'-ah; from G3623; administration (of a household or estate); specially, a (religious) "economy":—dispensation, stewardship.   so, there are dispensations (economy's) in the Bible after all,...   Dispensation of Grace Dispensation of Judgment (Jacob's Trouble) Dispensation of the Gospel, etc..   hmmmmm
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    LindaR reacted to wretched in The Widow's Mites   
    Where do you get this nonsense. Certainly not from the Word. I suppose you believe everything you hear on the news and read in newspapers too?
    If you would ditch the suppositions you base your doctrines on which came from men and not God and all the books you read written by "whomever", you would start understanding God the way He intends you to.
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    LindaR reacted to wretched in The Widow's Mites   
    Nonsense Russ, you and this Invicta fella constantly quote external sources written by some "whocares" dudes who write about how some other "whocares" dudes are wrong about this or that. Invicta nor you have never once proven anything accept how much you misinterpret Scriptures based on man made up suppositions.
    Sorry bro, you are simply wrong on dividing Scripture and dispensations and you are wrong because some "whomever" taught you to be wrong and you refuse to let it go.
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    LindaR got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in The Widow's Mites   
    Deuteronomy 14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
    Deuteronomy 14:23 And thou shalt eat before the LORD thy God, in the place which he shall choose to place his name there, the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstlings of thy herds and of thy flocks; that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always.
    Deuteronomy 14:24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it; or if the place be too far from thee, which the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name there, when the LORD thy God hath blessed thee:
    Deuteronomy 14:25 Then shalt thou turn it into money, and bind up the money in thine hand, and shalt go unto the place which the LORD thy God shall choose:
    Deuteronomy 14:26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,

    If one lived a great distance away from where "the LORD thy God shall choose to set his name" (Deuteronomy 14:24b), that person could then turn that (tithe) food into money. In order to prevent the tithe from spoiling on the long journey, to the place where God chose, the tither was permitted to sell the tithe for money.  The money was to be used to purchase " whatsoever thy soul lusteth after..."  One could not just bring money (as a tithe) to the temple.  The tithe was to be eaten...it was always food, never money.
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    LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in The Tithe, for the Church or not?   
    Since the monetary tithe requirement is totally foreign to God's Holy Word, this picture holds a powerful truth.

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    LindaR got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in The Widow's Mites   
    Jesus pronounced 8 "woes" (exclamations of grief) or grievances against the scribes and Pharisees in Matthew 23.  In the two accounts of the widow's mites (Mark 12:38-44 and Luke 20:45-47 - Luke 21:1-4), Jesus warned the disciples to "beware of the scribes...." and repeated some of those grievances from Matthew 23 as to why. 

    The entire context of those two accounts of the widow's mites were WARNINGS about the scribes and Pharisees, NOT a COMMENDATION of praise to the widow for giving out of her poverty.  Why was the widow poor in the first place?  Could it be because the corrupt religious system demanded not only her house, but her money?

    Mark 12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
    Mark 12:39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:
    Mark 12:40 Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

    Luke 20:45 Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples,
    Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
    Luke 20:47 Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
     
     
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