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    LindaR reacted to John81 in Has anyone seen the movie "WAR ROOM"?:   
    Those I know who were raised without TV, without public schooling, without secular music, without movies, all entered adulthood far more mature than others their age, but also very grounded in the Word, sure of their salvation, sure of their faith and more than ready to enter "the real world".
    Protecting our children is something we are called to do. It gets back to Swath's important point regarding separation. One of the main reasons so many of us, and American Christians in general, are more open to these things to one extent or another is because we grew up with such so it seems natural and acceptable to us. This, as a more extreme example, is how we get Christians which point to Star Wars and claim it's really like a Christian movie.
    I agree with Swath, there are so many things I saw, heard and experienced that I wish I never had. As well, I wish I had come to understand the importance of separation, especially with regards to raising children, much sooner than I did.
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    LindaR reacted to John81 in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
    14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
    15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
    16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
    Romans 4:13-16
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    Now do you see why I said that this has been discussed before, no minds have been changed, and I was hesitant to post what I did (in the other thread)? 
    ** I was probably one of the ones who used a "longer" explanation in response to you, but I did so for a particular reason. In each case that I've witnessed, a single verse of scripture is used to prove a point. Whereas, I attempted to show that verses which precede and/or succeed those individual verses gives more information and/or expounds upon the meaning of the single verses that were used. In other words, context.
    For instance, one verse that you've used a few times as proof that baptism was required is...
    You place the emphasis on a certain section of that one verse, yet what precedes and succeeds (your emphasis in the verse) explains what baptism is for; which is...
    1st Peter 3:21 "The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:"
    Peter said that baptism is NOT the putting away the filth of the flesh. In other words, it has no part in removing sin (the filth of the flesh). Therefore, it has no part in justification. Yet, if baptism were (or had been) a requirement for salvation, then it WOULD have (or would have had) a part in justification. No, Peter says that baptism saves us...by the answer of a good conscience toward God...
    ...baptism doth also now save us...by the answer---of a good conscience---TOWARD---God.
    Baptism saves us; in that, it's the answer of a good conscience toward God. It's an act that affects our conscience toward God...not an act that God effects toward us (salvation). 
    Peter also plainly states that baptism is likened (the like figure) unto the eight souls who were saved by water in the ark of Noah (1 Peter 3:20). Here's the verse...
    20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
    21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
    Now...were Noah and his family "saved" by water? In other words, were they spiritually saved by the flood? Peter likens baptism to that. Hmmm...
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    Ah...the Hebrews 11 conundrum has arisen again. Wretched, do you watch Les Feldick? 
    Hence what I wrote in the other thread about not only was Noah saved by faith, he had to build the ark...or...as Feldick said...What did Noah have to do? He had to build a boat (referring to Noah's spiritual salvation).
    All of those people (in Hebrews 11) and their works and/or exploits (that are listed) did those works and/or exploits because of their faith...not in addition to their faith for salvation.
    Why did Noah build the ark? God told him to. God told him why. Noah believed God. He put his faith in what God said.
    Look at the opening two verses of Hebrews 11...
    Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report.
    See...for by it (faith) the elders obtained a good report. The following works/exploits performed by them are "the good report". It says nothing about those works/exploits having any part in securing their spiritual salvation...nothing.
    In fact, it continually says that they did those things...by faith. By faith. By faith. It all was done BECAUSE of their faith.
    Now look what Hebrews says after it lists all of those works/exploits...
    And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
    There it is again...they obtained a good report (by the works/exploits they did) THROUGH faith.
    How can one not see that Hebrews 11 is about faith? How can one not see that those works/exploits were done because of their faith. How can one not see that their works/exploits gave them "a good report"...not eternal life (in addition to their faith)? Who received "the good report"? God? No...man does. Their faith gives us a good report.
    Ah...the miracles, signs, and wonders conundrum again...
    Wretched, you bring that up every so often, but you never list any biblical references where miracles, signs, and wonders were used to grant salvation in addition to faith.
    But I have shown you in the past where God said...
    And the Lord said unto Moses, How long will this people provoke me? and how long will it be ere they believe me, for all the signs which I have shewed among them?
    Miracles, signs, and wonders...yet, they didn't believe God...they didn't have faith. 
    It has always been faith that saves...faith.
     
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    It sure seems that Stephen believed like me...
    Acts 7:51-52 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye. Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
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    LindaR reacted to Ronda in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    Linda, I know you are answering "wretched", and this isn't exactly the same topic... but I wanted to say that I think a LOT of the antisemitism and persecution of the Jewish people has come from many denominations and even false religions (such as Catholicism, etc) who have not divided the Bible into dispensations, thereby claiming all of Israel's blessings (and strangely, none of the curses) for themselves. They cannot see that the Bible clearly states that God has future plans for Israel (as a collective, and in specific the remnant described in Zech 13:9). The millennial Kingdom on earth will be a promise fulfilled to Israel as well, as was foretold in the OT. 
    Those denominations/false religions refuse to note that Romans 10-11 deal with this in specific (as well as other places) and can't read the words and comprehend the very meaning of Romans 11:25 "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. 26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob".  
    I am thankful for friends like you, who come from a Jewish background, and have found the saving grace in Jesus! So many people skip right over the "in part" of Romans 11:25 as well... it doesn't say "in full" it says "in part". Paul said in Romans 10:1 "Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved." And I have that same desire, even though I know MANY people (both Jews and Gentiles alike) will not come to the saving grace in Christ. 
    Why did I include this statement here? Because I think rightly dividing (by dispensations and by audience) makes a huge difference in knowing which parts apply to which people groups. If they lump all of the Bible together (as it all be written to themselves), they will twist what it meant for Israel and apply it to themselves. 
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    LindaR got a reaction from trapperhoney in Has anyone seen the movie "WAR ROOM"?:   
    Where do you find "eat the meat and spit out the bones" in the Bible?  Doesn't Scripture say that "A little leaven leaventh the whole lump"? (Galatians 5:9)  Error mixed with truth turns the truth into error.
     
    Eat The Meat, Spit Out The Bones
    There are a lot of clever-sounding sayings that make the rounds among Christians, and one of these is “eat the meat, and spit out the bones.” Many have written to exhort me to do this, and they mean that I shouldn’t worry so much about exposing error. They wonder why I can’t just “eat the meat, and spit out the bones.”

    There is a bit of truth to this saying, in that God’s people are always to exercise biblical discernment when hearing sermons or reading Christian books. We are to “prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

    But the Bible also twice warns that “a little leaven leaventh the whole lump” (1 Cor. 5:7; Gal. 5:9) and exhorts us to mark and avoid those who teach doctrine contrary to that which we have learned in Scripture (Rom. 16:17). There is great danger in eating the wrong spiritual meat!

    What if the meat is rotten or poisoned or hasn’t been cooked or properly stored? The U.S. government regulates how restaurants must cook meat, because undercooked meat is dangerous. When I worked in a restaurant in my youth, I was taught to handle the meat very carefully and to store it properly, because it spoils easily. If you eat meat that is spoiled or poisoned or undercooked, even if you spit out the bones, you will be in trouble. The writings of men like Brian McLaren and Richard Foster and Chuck Colson and Rick Warren and C. S. Lewis contain plenty of rotten meat. Those who advise God’s people to “eat the meat, and spit out the bones,” must explain to us how they know that this “meat” is safe.
    Also, what if the bones have splinters or what if you get a bone stuck in your throat? When I was growing up in Florida, I went fishing often with my dad and granddad, and they were careful about which fish they kept and which they threw away, because some had too many bones to eat safely. And Mom was very careful to keep an eye on us when we were eating fish because of the ever-present danger of getting a bone stuck in our throats. This happened from time to time anyway, and it was a very unpleasant thing and, in fact, can be fatal. Likewise, very few Christians are able to wade through sermons or books by compromising preachers on their own and expertly spit out all of the “bones” of error. One of the reasons why so many fundamental Baptists are becoming New Evangelical is because they are reading New Evangelical books and blogs and listening to New Evangelical sermons.

    And what if you don’t know the difference between meat and bones? A toddler doesn’t know the difference, and if it tries to eat meat and spit out bones, it will quickly be in trouble. Likewise, the average Christian today is far too biblically ignorant and carnal to distinguish properly between truth and cleverly presented error.

    My friends, beware of clever sayings that aren’t supported by Scripture.

    We live in a shallow, apostate, carnal age, and it behooves us to study the Bible diligently and to think biblically!!!!

    One pastor who read this article replied:

    “The problem I have with this statement is that sometimes the truth is hard to swallow, so it is spit out and called ‘bones.’ The ‘eat the meat, spit out the bones’ mentality is pretty much the same as Burger King’s ‘Have it your way’ mentality. Sinful man is always prone to create a hybrid Christianity that suits his tastes and preconceived notions about what he wants God to be.”
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    LindaR got a reaction from Rosie in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    I am a born again Jew.  I was saved 9 months before I was baptized.  I never "demanded" a sign.  Believer's baptism was explained to me before my pastor would baptize me.  The Scripture teaches (and I was taught) that baptism does not save and that baptism is one of the two ordinances of the church....the Lord's Supper being the other ordinance.  Believer's baptism is an outward profession of faith that has already taken place in the believer's heart.  It is a picture of our "identification" with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. 
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    LindaR got a reaction from John81 in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    I am a born again Jew.  I was saved 9 months before I was baptized.  I never "demanded" a sign.  Believer's baptism was explained to me before my pastor would baptize me.  The Scripture teaches (and I was taught) that baptism does not save and that baptism is one of the two ordinances of the church....the Lord's Supper being the other ordinance.  Believer's baptism is an outward profession of faith that has already taken place in the believer's heart.  It is a picture of our "identification" with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. 
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in The Great Commission, Pentecost, and Paul's Meeting with the Apostles   
    Ah...so in saying faith plus works, you're implying "faith plus actions" rather than "faith plus the works of the law" (as Paul puts it).
    Such as, Noah was saved not only by faith, but he had to build the ark.
    You pointed out that there is a contradiction between James and Paul since both are speaking of the same thing...the same thing. If I understand correctly, your answer for that contradiction is by dividing what they said into different dispensations and applying what they said to different people groups.
    My answer to that contradiction is...there is no contradiction. You say that you take the scriptures as literal as possible in what they say...I do the same. What I see in James, and what I see James literally say is this...
    James 2:14-26
    14   What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
    15   If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
    16   And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
    17   Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
    18   Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
    19   Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
    20   But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
    21   Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
    22   Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
    23   And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
    24   Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
    25   Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?
    26   For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
    First, please note what I highlighted in yellow...that's the subject of what James is talking about in this portion of scripture. What does faith profit (gain) without works? How can faith alone save him? Please note that this isn't talking about spiritual salvation, but physical salvation. That's clear by verses 15 and 16 which follow James' question. What does faith profit if it doesn't have works? What gain is there to tell someone by faith to go and be warm and filled...but you don't give them what they physically need? What gain is that? How has your faith helped them? You may have the faith that God will supply their need, but your faith is empty if you don't help them yourself.
    What is James literally saying here? He's saying that a man is justified in the sight of other men by their works. Man can't see another man's actual faith, but what a man can see is the works that are done because of his faith.
    Look closely at the wording..."shew me", "I will shew thee", "thou know", "seest thou", "ye see"...this is directed at men and for men...not God.
    How would YOU know Abraham had faith without the knowledge that he offered his son?
    How would YOU know that Rahab had faith without the knowledge that she did what she did.
    So...ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
    There is no contradiction between James and Paul, and there is no need to divide them according to dispensations. They are in full agreement.
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    LindaR got a reaction from Jim_Alaska in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    I am a born again Jew.  I was saved 9 months before I was baptized.  I never "demanded" a sign.  Believer's baptism was explained to me before my pastor would baptize me.  The Scripture teaches (and I was taught) that baptism does not save and that baptism is one of the two ordinances of the church....the Lord's Supper being the other ordinance.  Believer's baptism is an outward profession of faith that has already taken place in the believer's heart.  It is a picture of our "identification" with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. 
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    LindaR got a reaction from Pastor Scott Markle in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    I am a born again Jew.  I was saved 9 months before I was baptized.  I never "demanded" a sign.  Believer's baptism was explained to me before my pastor would baptize me.  The Scripture teaches (and I was taught) that baptism does not save and that baptism is one of the two ordinances of the church....the Lord's Supper being the other ordinance.  Believer's baptism is an outward profession of faith that has already taken place in the believer's heart.  It is a picture of our "identification" with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. 
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    LindaR got a reaction from heartstrings in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    I am a born again Jew.  I was saved 9 months before I was baptized.  I never "demanded" a sign.  Believer's baptism was explained to me before my pastor would baptize me.  The Scripture teaches (and I was taught) that baptism does not save and that baptism is one of the two ordinances of the church....the Lord's Supper being the other ordinance.  Believer's baptism is an outward profession of faith that has already taken place in the believer's heart.  It is a picture of our "identification" with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection. 
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    LindaR reacted to John81 in Conclusion to my post on other thread   
    I was saved several years before I was baptized. It wasn't until I had grown in the Lord and learned the meaning and importance of baptism that I was baptized.
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    LindaR reacted to No Nicolaitans in The Great Commission, Pentecost, and Paul's Meeting with the Apostles   
    Sis. Ronda,
    First, I hope this response will be read with the humbleness of spirit with which it is intended. If (at any time) you read through my response and think that I'm attacking you, please be assured that it isn't my intention to do so. 
    Secondly, though I hoped to have time for a more detailed response in regard to various points of disagreement, it would appear that my time is still limited. However, as I thought about how to respond (and what to respond with), I felt it would be better to take a different approach than what my original response would have been and what it would have consisted of. 
    I understand your points of view. In fact, I am very familiar with all that you've put forth. I've seen and heard those same points in various places.
    As I said before, this has been discussed here in the past. There was a former member who held many of the same beliefs as you. In fact, that member was such a "right divider", that not only were dispensations divided, not only were Paul/Peter divided, not only were different methods of salvation divided, but that member even divided up the books that Paul wrote into divisions that pertained to Jews/Gentiles.
    I've heard those points from various preachers also...whether while listening online, on Youtube, or talking to them in person.
    One of the strongest resemblances that I've heard in relation to what you've posted though...is Les Feldick. I watched him for awhile several years ago, and he put forth so many of those same teachings.
    All of that to say this...I'm familiar with your view, and I understand your view. There are others here that also hold those views...whether they hold to all of them or not, I can't say definitively, but I do know of many similarities.
    With that said, if I took the time to respond to each point with which I disagree, it would take much too long. Also, I feel that I would be repeating myself on various points. You (or others) would then repeat your (their) points, and it would just be a lot of repeating. I could be wrong, but that's my initial feelings on the matter. However, if anyone else would like to respond to any, as many, or all points with which they disagree, that's fine with me too. After all, it's a "discussion" forum. 
    As I said, I feel it's best to take a different approach which comes down to this...
    All of the "Peter vs. Paul" laid aside and all of the "baptism plus faith vs. faith alone" laid aside, I see all of this as having a single-important root cause which stems from a misunderstanding in regards to salvation in the Old Testament vs. salvation in the New Testament. This also extends into salvation during the Tribulation Period.
    In another thread (I don't remember which one), you made several references that Peter was teaching the Old Testament "faith plus works". You also indicated that there are "several verses" that indicate that salvation was by works plus faith in the Old Testament. I later posted in regards to what God himself said the results were for obeying and disobeying the law (works). 
    I assert and believe that salvation has always been, is today, and will always be...solely by grace through faith. 
    What I would like to ask of you is this...at some point in the future, would you please consider looking up the references that I'm about to give?
    1. In Exodus 19:5-6, God gives a quick overview of what the results were for obedience to the law.
    He then gives the initial law in Exodus chapters 20-23.
    He then gives the results for obedience and disobedience to the law in Exodus 23:20-33.
    2. In Leviticus (which basically consists of only the law!)...in Leviticus chapters 1-25, the law is given...which includes all aspects of life, the priesthood, sacrifices, the Day of Atonement, and everything in between.
    He then gives the results for obedience and disobedience to the law (which included the sacrifices) in Leviticus 26.
    3. In Deuteronomy chapters 1-27, a brief history of Israel's travels in the wilderness are given and then the law is repeated to them again.
    He then gives the results for obedience and disobedience to the law in Deuteronomy chapters 28-30...with emphasis on chapter 30:15-20.
    Sis. Ronda, if nothing else, at least find the time to look up the references for obedience and disobedience to the law. Never...ever...not one time, is spiritual salvation given as a result for obedience to the law...never. All that is promised is physical blessings for obedience and physical curses for disobedience. 
    Anyway, I feel that a misunderstanding about this is the root cause that leads to other misunderstandings.
    I hope you receive this with the grace in which it was meant...as I hope anyone reading this will also.
    Respectfully in Christ,
    No Nicolaitans
     
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    LindaR got a reaction from Ronda in IP Blocked: Need help   
    First of all, the statement wasn't addressed to you, Jim.  It was addressed to BroMatt and the administrators/designers of this website.
    Ronda is a good friend of mine and we communicate frequently on Facebook.  She asked me if I was having a problem getting on this forum and I said I wasn't and the forum wasn't  down for some technical reason.  A few years ago our IP was blocked because of an "overload" of editing and the "bot" caught it as spamming.  I contacted the website administrators via Facebook, and they resolved the problem.  I told Ronda to do the same and she asked me to use that "Contact Us" option at the bottom of each page on this forum.  I did that and neither I, nor Ronda received a response via email.
    BTW, I do know something about blocked IPs...and I also know that every forum has a "bot" that is supposed to catch spammers.  I also have been a moderator on several internet forums
    I am attempting to help a friend get back on this forum and I thought starting a thread in the Computer Room would be a start, since I'm not having any luck anywhere else I've tried.
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    LindaR got a reaction from Ronda in IP Blocked: Need help   
    BroMatt and OnlineBaptist website administrators/designers:
    I'm posting this on behalf of another poster, Ronda.  Her IP has been locked out of the OnlineBaptist forum for one week, as of Thursday, December 24, 2015.  I sent a message to the website administration notifying them of this problem on Saturday, December 26, 2015.  I sent this notification through the "Contact Us" at the bottom of each forum page.  As of this date, neither Ronda nor I have received a response. 
    Ronda would appreciate if someone would email her and let her know that you are aware of this problem and that you will be working on a resolution.
    Thank you
    LindaR
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    LindaR got a reaction from candlelight in Has anyone seen the movie "WAR ROOM"?:   
    Where do you find "eat the meat and spit out the bones" in the Bible?  Doesn't Scripture say that "A little leaven leaventh the whole lump"? (Galatians 5:9)  Error mixed with truth turns the truth into error.
     
    Eat The Meat, Spit Out The Bones
    There are a lot of clever-sounding sayings that make the rounds among Christians, and one of these is “eat the meat, and spit out the bones.” Many have written to exhort me to do this, and they mean that I shouldn’t worry so much about exposing error. They wonder why I can’t just “eat the meat, and spit out the bones.”

    There is a bit of truth to this saying, in that God’s people are always to exercise biblical discernment when hearing sermons or reading Christian books. We are to “prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

    But the Bible also twice warns that “a little leaven leaventh the whole lump” (1 Cor. 5:7; Gal. 5:9) and exhorts us to mark and avoid those who teach doctrine contrary to that which we have learned in Scripture (Rom. 16:17). There is great danger in eating the wrong spiritual meat!

    What if the meat is rotten or poisoned or hasn’t been cooked or properly stored? The U.S. government regulates how restaurants must cook meat, because undercooked meat is dangerous. When I worked in a restaurant in my youth, I was taught to handle the meat very carefully and to store it properly, because it spoils easily. If you eat meat that is spoiled or poisoned or undercooked, even if you spit out the bones, you will be in trouble. The writings of men like Brian McLaren and Richard Foster and Chuck Colson and Rick Warren and C. S. Lewis contain plenty of rotten meat. Those who advise God’s people to “eat the meat, and spit out the bones,” must explain to us how they know that this “meat” is safe.
    Also, what if the bones have splinters or what if you get a bone stuck in your throat? When I was growing up in Florida, I went fishing often with my dad and granddad, and they were careful about which fish they kept and which they threw away, because some had too many bones to eat safely. And Mom was very careful to keep an eye on us when we were eating fish because of the ever-present danger of getting a bone stuck in our throats. This happened from time to time anyway, and it was a very unpleasant thing and, in fact, can be fatal. Likewise, very few Christians are able to wade through sermons or books by compromising preachers on their own and expertly spit out all of the “bones” of error. One of the reasons why so many fundamental Baptists are becoming New Evangelical is because they are reading New Evangelical books and blogs and listening to New Evangelical sermons.

    And what if you don’t know the difference between meat and bones? A toddler doesn’t know the difference, and if it tries to eat meat and spit out bones, it will quickly be in trouble. Likewise, the average Christian today is far too biblically ignorant and carnal to distinguish properly between truth and cleverly presented error.

    My friends, beware of clever sayings that aren’t supported by Scripture.

    We live in a shallow, apostate, carnal age, and it behooves us to study the Bible diligently and to think biblically!!!!

    One pastor who read this article replied:

    “The problem I have with this statement is that sometimes the truth is hard to swallow, so it is spit out and called ‘bones.’ The ‘eat the meat, spit out the bones’ mentality is pretty much the same as Burger King’s ‘Have it your way’ mentality. Sinful man is always prone to create a hybrid Christianity that suits his tastes and preconceived notions about what he wants God to be.”
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    LindaR got a reaction from wretched in Has anyone seen the movie "WAR ROOM"?:   
    Where do you find "eat the meat and spit out the bones" in the Bible?  Doesn't Scripture say that "A little leaven leaventh the whole lump"? (Galatians 5:9)  Error mixed with truth turns the truth into error.
     
    Eat The Meat, Spit Out The Bones
    There are a lot of clever-sounding sayings that make the rounds among Christians, and one of these is “eat the meat, and spit out the bones.” Many have written to exhort me to do this, and they mean that I shouldn’t worry so much about exposing error. They wonder why I can’t just “eat the meat, and spit out the bones.”

    There is a bit of truth to this saying, in that God’s people are always to exercise biblical discernment when hearing sermons or reading Christian books. We are to “prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

    But the Bible also twice warns that “a little leaven leaventh the whole lump” (1 Cor. 5:7; Gal. 5:9) and exhorts us to mark and avoid those who teach doctrine contrary to that which we have learned in Scripture (Rom. 16:17). There is great danger in eating the wrong spiritual meat!

    What if the meat is rotten or poisoned or hasn’t been cooked or properly stored? The U.S. government regulates how restaurants must cook meat, because undercooked meat is dangerous. When I worked in a restaurant in my youth, I was taught to handle the meat very carefully and to store it properly, because it spoils easily. If you eat meat that is spoiled or poisoned or undercooked, even if you spit out the bones, you will be in trouble. The writings of men like Brian McLaren and Richard Foster and Chuck Colson and Rick Warren and C. S. Lewis contain plenty of rotten meat. Those who advise God’s people to “eat the meat, and spit out the bones,” must explain to us how they know that this “meat” is safe.
    Also, what if the bones have splinters or what if you get a bone stuck in your throat? When I was growing up in Florida, I went fishing often with my dad and granddad, and they were careful about which fish they kept and which they threw away, because some had too many bones to eat safely. And Mom was very careful to keep an eye on us when we were eating fish because of the ever-present danger of getting a bone stuck in our throats. This happened from time to time anyway, and it was a very unpleasant thing and, in fact, can be fatal. Likewise, very few Christians are able to wade through sermons or books by compromising preachers on their own and expertly spit out all of the “bones” of error. One of the reasons why so many fundamental Baptists are becoming New Evangelical is because they are reading New Evangelical books and blogs and listening to New Evangelical sermons.

    And what if you don’t know the difference between meat and bones? A toddler doesn’t know the difference, and if it tries to eat meat and spit out bones, it will quickly be in trouble. Likewise, the average Christian today is far too biblically ignorant and carnal to distinguish properly between truth and cleverly presented error.

    My friends, beware of clever sayings that aren’t supported by Scripture.

    We live in a shallow, apostate, carnal age, and it behooves us to study the Bible diligently and to think biblically!!!!

    One pastor who read this article replied:

    “The problem I have with this statement is that sometimes the truth is hard to swallow, so it is spit out and called ‘bones.’ The ‘eat the meat, spit out the bones’ mentality is pretty much the same as Burger King’s ‘Have it your way’ mentality. Sinful man is always prone to create a hybrid Christianity that suits his tastes and preconceived notions about what he wants God to be.”
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    LindaR got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in Has anyone seen the movie "WAR ROOM"?:   
    Where do you find "eat the meat and spit out the bones" in the Bible?  Doesn't Scripture say that "A little leaven leaventh the whole lump"? (Galatians 5:9)  Error mixed with truth turns the truth into error.
     
    Eat The Meat, Spit Out The Bones
    There are a lot of clever-sounding sayings that make the rounds among Christians, and one of these is “eat the meat, and spit out the bones.” Many have written to exhort me to do this, and they mean that I shouldn’t worry so much about exposing error. They wonder why I can’t just “eat the meat, and spit out the bones.”

    There is a bit of truth to this saying, in that God’s people are always to exercise biblical discernment when hearing sermons or reading Christian books. We are to “prove all things; hold fast that which is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21).

    But the Bible also twice warns that “a little leaven leaventh the whole lump” (1 Cor. 5:7; Gal. 5:9) and exhorts us to mark and avoid those who teach doctrine contrary to that which we have learned in Scripture (Rom. 16:17). There is great danger in eating the wrong spiritual meat!

    What if the meat is rotten or poisoned or hasn’t been cooked or properly stored? The U.S. government regulates how restaurants must cook meat, because undercooked meat is dangerous. When I worked in a restaurant in my youth, I was taught to handle the meat very carefully and to store it properly, because it spoils easily. If you eat meat that is spoiled or poisoned or undercooked, even if you spit out the bones, you will be in trouble. The writings of men like Brian McLaren and Richard Foster and Chuck Colson and Rick Warren and C. S. Lewis contain plenty of rotten meat. Those who advise God’s people to “eat the meat, and spit out the bones,” must explain to us how they know that this “meat” is safe.
    Also, what if the bones have splinters or what if you get a bone stuck in your throat? When I was growing up in Florida, I went fishing often with my dad and granddad, and they were careful about which fish they kept and which they threw away, because some had too many bones to eat safely. And Mom was very careful to keep an eye on us when we were eating fish because of the ever-present danger of getting a bone stuck in our throats. This happened from time to time anyway, and it was a very unpleasant thing and, in fact, can be fatal. Likewise, very few Christians are able to wade through sermons or books by compromising preachers on their own and expertly spit out all of the “bones” of error. One of the reasons why so many fundamental Baptists are becoming New Evangelical is because they are reading New Evangelical books and blogs and listening to New Evangelical sermons.

    And what if you don’t know the difference between meat and bones? A toddler doesn’t know the difference, and if it tries to eat meat and spit out bones, it will quickly be in trouble. Likewise, the average Christian today is far too biblically ignorant and carnal to distinguish properly between truth and cleverly presented error.

    My friends, beware of clever sayings that aren’t supported by Scripture.

    We live in a shallow, apostate, carnal age, and it behooves us to study the Bible diligently and to think biblically!!!!

    One pastor who read this article replied:

    “The problem I have with this statement is that sometimes the truth is hard to swallow, so it is spit out and called ‘bones.’ The ‘eat the meat, spit out the bones’ mentality is pretty much the same as Burger King’s ‘Have it your way’ mentality. Sinful man is always prone to create a hybrid Christianity that suits his tastes and preconceived notions about what he wants God to be.”
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    LindaR got a reaction from Ronda in Has anyone seen the movie "WAR ROOM"?:   
    I haven't seen the movie...but after reading some of the reviews, I seriously doubt whether I want to see it at all.

    Here is a review that one of my FB friends posted : War Room: A Review of the Movie and the Industry Surrounding It
    Concerning Elements
    There are several concerning elements of the film that one may or may not notice if he is watching he movie uncritically:
    In one scene a man attempts to mug Clara and Elizabeth at knifepoint. Clara rebukes the man “in the name of Jesus”.  This kind of word of faith proclamation may work in the movies (and sometimes even in real life depending on a mugger’s background or God’s provision), however, a young person emboldened by the prayer theme of the movie may very well end up being stabbed if she imitates Clara’s example in real life.  This type of subtle word faith proclamation may be lost on conservative Southern Baptist audiences but it will certainly be noticed by Pentecostals who go to see the movie. In another scene, Elizabeth is praying over the scriptures while Tony is on a business trip and out to dinner with a temptress. Elizabeth prays from the scriptures the phrase “resist the devil and he will flee”.  She repeats this line of scripture a few times.  In real life, Shirer is a proponent of contemplative prayer, a practice in which the prayer focuses on clearing her mind a repeating a specific phrase (similar to a mantra).  Those who are not aware of the practice of contemplative prayer will probably not notice that this scene touches the borderline of that practice. Priscilla Shirer and Beth Moore are in this movie.  Both are advocates of contemplative prayer.

    My advice---pray and use much discernment!
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    This article by Dr. Renald E. Showers (Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, Inc.)  is an excerpt from a chapter in his book "Maranatha Our Lord, Come!: A Definitive Study of the Rapture of the Church".  The name of the article is "Behold, The Bridegroom Comes!" - Jewish Marriage  Customs.
    It defines how Jewish Marriage customs relate to the Pre-tribulation rapture "catching away" of the Church/Bride of Christ
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    LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in IP Blocked: Need help   
    Ronda is Linda's friend, and she told Linda she cannot get into the forum.  Has to be a block of some kind, as she is able to go to other forums.
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    LindaR got a reaction from Standing Firm In Christ in Movie: "God's Not Dead"   
    This article by Dr. Renald E. Showers (Friends of Israel Gospel Ministry, Inc.)  is an excerpt from a chapter in his book "Maranatha Our Lord, Come!: A Definitive Study of the Rapture of the Church".  The name of the article is "Behold, The Bridegroom Comes!" - Jewish Marriage  Customs.
    It defines how Jewish Marriage customs relate to the Pre-tribulation rapture "catching away" of the Church/Bride of Christ
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    LindaR reacted to Standing Firm In Christ in Movie: "God's Not Dead"   
    Easily answered...
     
    The Bride was there, however the guests had not all arrived yet.  The 144,000 sealed Jews, the many killed because they refused to take the mark of the beast; these are all guests of the marriage supper and would die during the tribulation.
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